Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 23, 2017 Well, it's not Seb's fault. But he did drive into him like a torpedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,661 Posted October 23, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted October 23, 2017 Kvyat is done and has been since he was dropped back to Toro Rosso. Red Bull don't need to promote anyone now until they lose Ricciardo or Verstappen which could be a long time. The only way one of those two leaves is if a Ferrari or Mercedes seat opens up and those teams are still competing for the title while Red Bull aren't. Hartley didn't impress me this weekend. If your main praise from the commentators comes from tyre management and fuel management you know you've not really made an impact. It's really harsh but the standards to be an F1 driver now are that you have to be within a few tenths of the top guys consistently in terms of your own raw performance because that's how good the best 20 drivers in the world are and it's been that way since about 2009. Unless Sainz moves permanently to a different team he is certainly the next one to be promoted to Red Bull. Kvyat had his chance and Gasly impressed more than Hartley did in his one off race. Gasly will be in a Toro Rosso next year and unless they have an alternative I imagine Hartley will replace Kvyat because Kvyat isn't a potential Red Bull driver but Hartley might be. I'll be amazed if Hartley gets a sniff at the senior team now though as like I say, they don't have seats to fill and even when they do Sainz and then Gasly look the likely candidates at the moment to be the next two in line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,661 Posted October 23, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted October 23, 2017 To add to my point about the standards needed to stay in F1 just remember that the likes of Heidfeld, Sutil, Liuzzi, Maldonado, Kovalainen who were all very good racing drivers who looked like hot shit when they first turned up in the sport with some of them even winning races, couldn't keep up enough to really make it in the end. You have to be as good as Hulkenberg, Perez, Bottas, Massa just to be sure of staying in the sport another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: To add to my point about the standards needed to stay in F1 just remember that the likes of Heidfeld, Sutil, Liuzzi, Maldonado, Kovalainen who were all very good racing drivers who looked like hot shit when they first turned up in the sport with some of them even winning races, couldn't keep up enough to really make it in the end. You have to be as good as Hulkenberg, Perez, Bottas, Massa just to be sure of staying in the sport another year. You mean compared to Kvyat? The guy is only 23 and has two podiums and 133 career points under his belt. That is not as bad as people make it out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,661 Posted October 23, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tsubasa said: You mean compared to Kvyat? The guy is only 23 and has two podiums and 133 career points under his belt. That is not as bad as people make it out to be. He did okay when he started at Red Bull but never kicked on. To be frank anyone who gets a full year in a Red Bull and doesn't at least get a couple of podiums shouldn't be anywhere near that car in the first place. Kvyat isn't a bad driver by any means but by F1 standards he has average pace with the occasional standout weekend but more frequently gets involved in accidents. 10 years ago that would keep him in a job at a middle team like Williams or Renault but not today. Which drivers on the grid have had as many opportunities as Kvyat but achieved less? Who would you kick out of the 20 man roster to keep Kvyat in the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Who would you kick out of the 20 man roster to keep Kvyat in the sport? Massa, Ericsson, Magnussen. Man, I should become Kvyat's agent. I'd get him a seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,661 Posted October 23, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Tsubasa said: Massa, Ericsson, Magnussen. Massa is off anyway. The other two fair enough but Leclerc will be in the Sauber next year leaving the Haas seat where Kvyat could grind out a couple of pointless seasons before realising he's wasting his time in F1 and going to Indycar or Formula E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 23, 2017 Now all that Leclerc talk makes me wonder about Pascal Wehrlein's future. Apparently he's a candidate at Williams together with Kubica and Di Resta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,661 Posted October 23, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted October 23, 2017 Di Resta did okay as a stand in in Hungary but he's another one who is decent but not in the top 20 drivers. Kubica is worth a punt. Wehrlein I think has something about him but his stock has fizzled out a lot at Sauber which is the danger of being in such a shitty car, you have to be Fernando Alonso to even stay relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 24, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 24, 2017 Bill Clinton posing with Lewis Hamilton. Bill Clinton respecting a legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 25, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 25, 2017 Well, at least there's certainty now. I really hope he gets a drive somewhere else and proves people (especially Helmut Marko) wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cannabis Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 On 23/10/2017 at 10:56 PM, RandoEFC said: Who would you kick out of the 20 man roster to keep Kvyat in the sport? Seb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 25, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 25, 2017 57 minutes ago, Cannabis said: Seb To make it even easier for Lewis? First Nico, then Seb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God is Haaland 618 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Tsubasa said: To make it even easier for Lewis? First Nico, then Seb? Lewis can't compete on a level playing field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cannabis Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, BartraPique1932 said: Lewis can't compete on a level playing field. fish.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God is Haaland 618 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, Cannabis said: fish.gif This is not how BB code works, dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 25, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 25, 2017 Never forget the man who slayed the monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,661 Posted October 27, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted October 27, 2017 Jenson also beat Lewis over the course of a season in 2011 which many people forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 27, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 27, 2017 My body is ready! Make it happen. I don't know where my love for Kvyat is coming from, I guess I just like to root for an underdog who was (despite his questionable performances) treated unfairly. Rookie of the year 2014, and now this? Come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,661 Posted October 27, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted October 27, 2017 Williams' driver line-up has always been an experienced, reliable driver and a young one except for when they had Maldonado as the "reliable" one for a while alongside a youngster, can't remember who. Still not convinced Kvyat would be a better option than Kubica (if he's close to his old self) or even Massa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 28, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 28, 2017 You too will be surprised by the renaissance of the Torpedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted October 28, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 28, 2017 Ooooh, Seb you beauty! Great pole. Also nice Karma for Toro Rosso. Get fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ 15,325 Posted October 29, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted October 29, 2017 What a start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman 5,938 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 If Vettel doesn’t get a penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage, F1 is fucked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God is Haaland 618 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said: If Vettel doesn’t get a penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage, F1 is fucked. Not sure if you're fishing or just as deluded as usual. You want him to get a penalty for being pushed off the track by Massa? Inb4: "olololololol I was merely pretending. ololol i was just fishing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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