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Kitchen Sales    1,096

 

8 arrests, 4 injured

Fans get drunk and then Police turn up dressed as some sort of robot militia from the future. When will they learn that this escalates the problem it doesn't defuse it.

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Tanksie    229
20 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said:

 

8 arrests, 4 injured

Fans get drunk and then Police turn up dressed as some sort of robot militia from the future. When will they learn that this escalates the problem it doesn't defuse it.

 

God damn police forcing those fans to get obscenely drunk and turn violent! It's all their fault! They should have just let them go where they wanted and do as they wished, would have been no problems then

 

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Kitchen Sales    1,096
16 minutes ago, Tanksie said:

 

God damn police forcing those fans to get obscenely drunk and turn violent! It's all their fault! They should have just let them go where they wanted and do as they wished, would have been no problems then

 

That's not what I said at all. 

I said "escalate", it's a social psychology fact that certain types of policing approaches make situations worse.

There aren't any riot police on a Saturday in England and yet hundreds of away supporters are smashed off their faces and gathered in bars and arrests get made. When a couple of fans get out of hand the Police don't come along dressed for war and coming at anyone who happens to be standing there. They learned their lesson decades ago about that approach. 

Madrid police have form on getting the riot gear out. They're known for beating old women, kids and disabled people just because those people were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They also have form on beating innocent fans of English clubs and never being held to account for it.

People like you just hate fun. You're happy for everyone who is having a good time drinking to suddenly be in fear of police brutality because someone else in the pub got a bit rowdy.

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Tanksie    229

People like you think taxation is theft, and the police are tyrants.

 

I am not happy with 'everyone having good fun to fear police brutality' But I am happy for violent and abusive drunks being apprehended by whatever force the police believe to be necessary at the time, for the safety and enjoyment of the people actually trying to have fun.

 

Don't want you head cracked in? Don't be a fuckwit, comply with police instructions and don't get fucking smashed in public.

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1 hour ago, HoneyNUFC said:

 

8 arrests, 4 injured

Fans get drunk and then Police turn up dressed as some sort of robot militia from the future. When will they learn that this escalates the problem it doesn't defuse it.

Or English bellends behave like twats in  foreign city, why should Madrid have to put up with louts? 

I don't have much of a problem with them being chucked in a cell, you behave when you go to a another country. If you're 'having fun' is behaving like a cunt then you deserve everything you get.

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SirBalon    717

The police aren't exempt from going overboard and like Harvey said, they've been accused of this in the past even with domestic fans.

But again we have a serious and embarassing issue with English football fans not knowing how to behave when abroad and then abusing alcohol like it's about to be banned.

Anyone innocent of the happenings I'm very sorry for but them aside I have no sympathy with the louts getting a good stick where it hurts so that they learn. This is nothing new unfortunately.   

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Kitchen Sales    1,096

Justice and just force is not optional upon what negative opinions you have of a group of people are. 

Is it any wonder the Sun got away with printing what it did about Hillsborough when there are people who immediately ignore what witnesses have to say because of their preconceived notions about hooligans.

BBC journalist says innocent people were charged and whacked. But it's ok though, they're English louts so they deserve it.

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Storts    351

Completely with Harvey on this one. Having experienced and witnessed Spanish police brutality first hand, I am in no doubt that they are the cause of the problem here.

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Stan    1,000
6 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said:

Justice and just force is not optional upon what negative opinions you have of a group of people are. 

Is it any wonder the Sun got away with printing what it did about Hillsborough when there are people who immediately ignore what witnesses have to say because of their preconceived notions about hooligans.

BBC journalist says innocent people were charged and whacked. But it's ok though, they're English louts so they deserve it.

and lots of videos surfacing of fans just sitting in bars before being charged and hit with batons seemingly for no reason. Don't understand it.

Police even stopped kids playing football in a plaza area. Those kids must be English louts too. 

Of course there's gonna be some idiots who get a bit too drunk and out of control. But there's no fucking reason to be overly aggressive with them and then to target innocent behaving fans as well. Those idiots spoil it for the rest but the police aren't totally blameless here. 

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SirBalon    717

I've also seen a lot of footage on Spanish tv of Leicester "fans" acting aggressively on terraced bars in Madrid and hurling glasses at passers by amongst other things.  Xenophobic chanting and running out in front of cars flashing by pulling down their trousers and pants...

Look...  This sort of thing isn't even acceptable in this country let alone somewhere else. I've never seen that anywhere I've gone in England and I've gone to the pubs where away fans frequent before games against Arsenal locally and nothing of this kind is EVER seen.  The police would be on top of it in an instance!  Yes, (as I said in my previous post) the Spanish police are overboard and there's no justification for it, but they're not used to that and won't accept it.  I also stated that any innocent parties getting involved in how the police have reacted is very lamentable, but I've travelled back in the day with Arsenal around Europe and I always shied away from any "fans" in clusters that looked like what I consider to be knuckle draggers.  The most important part in my view in all of this is that the locals won't accept this.  There are other children and other people going about their daily business that don't have to witness such idiocy and retarded actions.

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Cannabis    1,156

I'm not surprised by any of this to be honest, Leicester fans have been the biggest melts to come to Goodison this season and it's no surprise some of them are being locked up in Madrid.

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Watching them singing "Gibraltar is ours, fuck off Spanish bastards Gibraltar is ours" in a square that looks like a 4 day festival on the last day has me thinking the Leicester fans must take some blame here. I mean Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Chelsea and Man City fans don't do this. 

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Cannabis    1,156
1 minute ago, Teso Dos Bichos said:

Thats what happens when you bottom feeder fans participating in such a prestigious tournament, they don't know how to act properly. 

@Stan 

The daily Leicester bashing has arrived.

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Storts    351
7 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Watching them singing "Gibraltar is ours, fuck off Spanish bastards Gibraltar is ours" in a square that looks like a 4 day festival on the last day has me thinking the Leicester fans must take some blame here. I mean Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Chelsea and Man City fans don't do this. 

In fairness, I spent all day in that square, gorgeous venue - not a sniff of trouble with the police - so although I stood by them in my earlier comments, looking at the footage and knowing where they are, it's pretty inexcusable.

However I have no doubt that police actions and their heavy handed approach will have played a big part in how it has escalated 

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19 minutes ago, Storts said:

In fairness, I spent all day in that square, gorgeous venue - not a sniff of trouble with the police - so although I stood by them in my earlier comments, looking at the footage and knowing where they are, it's pretty inexcusable.

However I have no doubt that police actions and their heavy handed approach will have played a big part in how it has escalated 

Yeah not disputing that continental police aren't as geared up as our own. Although why should they be? There's no excuse really we wouldn't want it in our back yard

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Stan    1,000
35 minutes ago, Cannabis said:

@Stan 

The daily Leicester bashing has arrived.

Have noticed. Choosing to ignore the inbred bastard though for now. :D

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Cannabis    1,156
2 minutes ago, Inverted said:

"Spanish bastards, Gibraltar is ours".

Sound like reasonable fellas.

A chant with pure AIDS origin.

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8 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said:

Justice and just force is not optional upon what negative opinions you have of a group of people are. 

Is it any wonder the Sun got away with printing what it did about Hillsborough when there are people who immediately ignore what witnesses have to say because of their preconceived notions about hooligans.

BBC journalist says innocent people were charged and whacked. But it's ok though, they're English louts so they deserve it.

Fair points, just seeing the 'Gibraltar is ours' stuff makes me lose any rational belief in these human beings.

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Kowabunga    51
10 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said:

That's not what I said at all. 

I said "escalate", it's a social psychology fact that certain types of policing approaches make situations worse.

There aren't any riot police on a Saturday in England and yet hundreds of away supporters are smashed off their faces and gathered in bars and arrests get made. When a couple of fans get out of hand the Police don't come along dressed for war and coming at anyone who happens to be standing there. They learned their lesson decades ago about that approach. 

Madrid police have form on getting the riot gear out. They're known for beating old women, kids and disabled people just because those people were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They also have form on beating innocent fans of English clubs and never being held to account for it.

People like you just hate fun. You're happy for everyone who is having a good time drinking to suddenly be in fear of police brutality because someone else in the pub got a bit rowdy.

That's the National Police, not the Local Police.

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Lessons to be learned from both sides. Smashing glasses and chanting things such as 'Gibraltar is Ours' might seem funny at the time but in the grand scheme of things so soon after the explosion with The Dortmund Coach it's not funny at all. You'd like to think they would all be on there best behaviour given recent incidents. At the same time, after seeing some of the footage I don't see how Police should not be held accountable for there actions as there is no way some of the force used is proportionate or necessary. I think we've gone too far 'the other way' in regards to Police accountability in this country but at the same time I think almost every country in the world could learn a lot from how our Police Officers conduct themselves.

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They will all get a good hiding in Russia, then people will be making out like they are victims when they get stabbed up or whatever.

They are a disgrace to this country.

 

 

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Dan    254
On 4/12/2017 at 9:07 AM, HoneyNUFC said:

 

8 arrests, 4 injured

Fans get drunk and then Police turn up dressed as some sort of robot militia from the future. When will they learn that this escalates the problem it doesn't defuse it.

They want that situation. 100%. They're vermin.

 

On 4/12/2017 at 9:28 AM, Tanksie said:

 

God damn police forcing those fans to get obscenely drunk and turn violent! It's all their fault! They should have just let them go where they wanted and do as they wished, would have been no problems then

 

Nice attempt at being funny although ironically there's some truth in your theory. We weren't being violent until they started. That's usually the case. Police can start whatever they want and get away with it because they know we'll get the blame.

Our fans weren't entirely blameless, but make no mistake, the police are the main perpetrators here. Don't listen to what the biased media tell you.

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Dan    254
On 4/12/2017 at 11:31 AM, HoneyNUFC said:

Justice and just force is not optional upon what negative opinions you have of a group of people are. 

Is it any wonder the Sun got away with printing what it did about Hillsborough when there are people who immediately ignore what witnesses have to say because of their preconceived notions about hooligans.

BBC journalist says innocent people were charged and whacked. But it's ok though, they're English louts so they deserve it.

This. Funny how it's people who have never actually been in the position who are the experts.

The media are scum. The collective failure to turn on them is a massive shame.

The Spanish police are animals. I'm absolutely praying someone like Legia Warsaw go there next year and take on those cunts.

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Dan    254
On 4/12/2017 at 6:44 PM, Teso Dos Bichos said:

Thats what happens when you bottom feeder fans participating in such a prestigious tournament, they don't know how to act properly. 

Yeah, what it needs is more American Man Utd 'fans' streaming Europa League draws with Anderlecht.

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SirBalon    717
3 minutes ago, Dan said:

This. Funny how it's people who have never actually been in the position who are the experts.

The media are scum. The collective failure to turn on them is a massive shame.

The Spanish police are animals. I'm absolutely praying someone like Legia Warsaw go there next year and take on those cunts.

Your neighbours in Serbia and Kosovo are a lot worse mate.

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Dan    254
2 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

Your neighbours in Serbia and Kosovo are a lot worse mate.

Truth be told it's not fair on the Madrid locals to be caught up in any of this, but those police need a shoeing, make no mistake. They are awful, awful people. It's not just Madrid either, similar happened in Seville, although not on the same scale.

People can badmouth our fans all they want but there wasn't a jot of trouble in Brugge, Copenhagen or Porto. The common denominator is the Spanish police.

EDIT: Tell a lie, there was a little in Copenhagen but that was their fans storming the main away pub, and consequently about 5 of them being arrested.

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SirBalon    717
15 minutes ago, Dan said:

Truth be told it's not fair on the Madrid locals to be caught up in any of this, but those police need a shoeing, make no mistake. They are awful, awful people. It's not just Madrid either, similar happened in Seville, although not on the same scale.

People can badmouth our fans all they want but there wasn't a jot of trouble in Brugge, Copenhagen or Porto. The common denominator is the Spanish police.

EDIT: Tell a lie, there was a little in Copenhagen but that was their fans storming the main away pub, and consequently about 5 of them being arrested.

This is the issue here!  There are other problems that are domestic and which we've failed to adress in Britain, but those locals going about their business and of which probably don't give a damn about football (yes, there are people that don't care about the sport) shouldn't be subjected to a couple of days of neanderthals not knowing how to use alcohol.

To be honest, I've never understood why anyone would want to go to a football match totally smashed on alcohol.  I love football and I can't comprehend how anyone can enjoy a game totally drunk.  Issues occur in every country, but the question always lies (for me at least) on how the English seem to involved in so much of this when we hold an ironic and hypocritical higher ground on mannerisms and a moral highground.

One of my cousins is a member of the National Police (Policia Nacional) in Madrid and he was part of the operation with what occurred (I found this out yesterday) and he said that the way they were acting in the terraced bars was something that had to be dealt with because chaos had erupted even on the roads and with children passing by.  They don't want to close roads in Spain when a football match is about to occur.  The stadiums are situated in residential areas as they are in most places.

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Dan    254
2 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

This is the issue here!  There are other problems that are domestic and which we've failed to adress in Britain, but those locals going about their business and of which probably don't give a damn about football (yes, there are people that don't care about the sport) shouldn't be subjected to a couple of days of neanderthals not knowing how to use alcohol.

To be honest, I've never understood why anyone would want to go to a football match totally smashed on alcohol.  I love football and I can't comprehend how anyone can enjoy a game totally drunk.  Issues occur in every country, but the question always lies (for me at least) on how the English seem to involved in so much of this when we hold an ironic and hypocritical higher ground on mannerisms and a moral highground.

One of my cousins is part of the National Police (Policia Nacional) in Madrid and he was part of the operation with what occurred (I found this out yesterday) and he said that the way they were acting in the terraced bars was something that had to be dealt with because chaos had erupted even on the roads and with children passing by.  They don't want to close roads in Spain when a football match is about to occur.  The stadiums are situated in residential areas as they are in most places.

No, they shouldn't I agree. But by and large, the people don't actually cause trouble. The majority are out there having a good time, putting a fair bit of money into the city as well I'll add.

I will concede we have quite a unique set of antics. But I said it in the England away fans thread - I don't think English fans go looking for trouble.

I don't have sympathy with people singing about Gibraltar and German bombers getting in trouble, although even then, beatings are a bit excessive. But I know of people who have ended up spending two full days without food and drink, bruised, in cells, for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I know of someone who has been blinded in one eye for nothing. Like I say, Brugge, Porto and Copenhagen had no issues. Spanish police have had trouble with us twice, Man City and Spurs fans pre-warned us as well.

The English are involved because of reputation. I can't comment on what actually happened in eighties, but we've never really shook that reputation and it's a vicious cycle. Like I say we aren't entirely blameless, but the trouble has been proven to be avoidable by others, so why can't Spain?

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Spike    585
On 4/12/2017 at 5:13 AM, Tanksie said:

People like you think taxation is theft, and the police are tyrants.

 

I am not happy with 'everyone having good fun to fear police brutality' But I am happy for violent and abusive drunks being apprehended by whatever force the police believe to be necessary at the time, for the safety and enjoyment of the people actually trying to have fun.

 

Don't want you head cracked in? Don't be a fuckwit, comply with police instructions and don't get fucking smashed in public.

Most taxation is theft. The cunts. Why the fuck do I have to pay a 'Georgia value tax' on my car when I already payed fucking sales tax on the cunt?

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Spike    585

I think with issues like this people only see the 'good vs evil' dichotomy and struggle to appreciate the full scope of the events. The English fans were misbehaving, that is a fact. The Spanish police are brutal, that is a fact.  I.e. 'the cops are terrible, he just belted that fella's head in with a club!' Without stating said fella was drunk and disorderly and being aggressive towards the police. The two sides of the coin are rarely explored in full. That doesn't mean every fan was acting like a hooligan and every cop was belting in heads. The problems with animalistic group behaviour is that people associated with groups are often caught in the crossfire. A copper sees a Leicester fan as a hooligan and the Leicester fan sees the copper as a thug.

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Kowabunga    51
On 14/4/2017 at 4:58 PM, Dan said:

Truth be told it's not fair on the Madrid locals to be caught up in any of this, but those police need a shoeing, make no mistake. They are awful, awful people. It's not just Madrid either, similar happened in Seville, although not on the same scale.

People can badmouth our fans all they want but there wasn't a jot of trouble in Brugge, Copenhagen or Porto. The common denominator is the Spanish police.

EDIT: Tell a lie, there was a little in Copenhagen but that was their fans storming the main away pub, and consequently about 5 of them being arrested.

AVE turns you crazy.

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Dan    254

At it again tonight with Bayern fans. It was all our fans' fault though remember.

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Stan    1,000

Tough to tell what the common denominator is here after last night's scenes in the Bernabeu... 

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