Leaderboard

@Stortshas glued himself to the runway.

City have won 5 from the last 6. If you do t think they can go on to do the exact same in the next few years you are smoking strong stuff.

FFS Failed already De bruyne gone off injured

You should have doubled down and just said "yes" while refusing to elaborate further mate

The snobbery towards the Bundesliga only shows that those people don’t watch the fucking thing. their title race was much better than the one over here.

It’s a good league. I enjoy watching it, Bayern dominate obviously but they don’t stroll to victory like people make out. An incredibly well run club. Union Berlin put pressure on the top clubs, and they are a former DDR club with only partial of the funds historically available to the West. That’s amazing and shows how much fight for 1.Bundesliga there is.

Shut up

While I've been preparing for this day for a while, it doesn't get any easier to deal with. I have so many different strands of thought running through my head and I'm going to try and get it written down as I'm hoping it's going to make things easier but I can't make any promises that I will be able to. Some of it is reflective, some of it angry, some of it just appreciative and some of it will probably come across as a little bitter as well and potentially even contradictory. That's raw emotion for you. The trap that is football fandom, the emotional hold that it has over every day life. It's crazy to think how little I've been able to concentrate on anything else over the past 48 hours. It's all consuming, and despite knowing this day was coming, you just have to see it unfold to truly believe it. I honestly feeling totally deflated right now. Despite having an exciting new era, with a manager that seems perfect for this club, I just have lost so much interest going in to the season. Our talismanic legend being allowed to leave the day before we kick off is criminal in my opinion. To allow him to take a full part in pre season, to prepare with the squad knowing that he'd likely leave is shambolic planning. Regardless of what Postecoglou may say about this not changing things, there can be no question that this will have an impact on the squad and the early part of the season. Both with morale but also adapting to a new style of play, without the fall back of a world-class striker to score another 30 league goals. I think it's going to be rough to start the year, and while Kane is irreplaceable like for like, our options up front do not inspire anyone with any confidence. We're going from a guaranteed 20+ goals a season from a striker, to one that has never got more than 13 in the league. But I guess I'll get the easy bit out the way first and why this is just so painful. It goes without saying that Kane is going to be a huge loss to this football club. Our all time record goalscorer, the greatest Spurs player of my lifetime, one of our all time greats, if not the best ever. He's been at the club for 19 years, he's given us so much, so many great moments, so many special goals. His record in North London Derbies is unmatched. The passion he's shown playing and scoring in those games, he got it. The Pochettino era where he and the team made me fall in love with football again. It will always be a huge regret that they never got over the line, but that doesn't diminish from how special they were to watch. Watching Kane captain England always makes you feel proud. Everyone dreams of having someone from their academy break through and become one of the best players in the world, captaining their country, and we have lived it. I was there for Kane's first goal for England and it's still one of my favourite ever moments. I just don't know if we will ever seen someone like Kane again at Spurs. The way he's become one of the most well-rounded footballers, through hard work, dedication and application of his natural talent is an example for all to follow. Of course this club has had world-class footballers before, and we will do again. We've also been able to recover and move forward from that. But this one feels extra painful/special due to how long Kane has been here and the journey he's been on. From Kane's perspective I just find it such an odd move. In some ways you could see he is doing the club a favour. Leaving now enabling them to get a big fee for him, rather than going on a free. However, moving to Germany at 30, when in a years time he can have his pick of whichever club he wants is fairly strange. I do not want to knock Bayern at all, of course they're an absolutely massive club, but the Bundesliga is uncompetitive, and they're winning that league whether Kane is with them or not. He gets to play Champions League football again, and have a chance to go far in it. But are they really going to beat Man City or Madrid? I doubt it. He's going to win trophies that really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Nobody in England as a child dreams of winning the Bundesliga. Nobody's opinion of him as a striker and a player should change because he's got a couple of German trophies to his name. He's already become Tottenham's and England's record goal scorer, but the Premier League record is well and truly there for the taking for him. A record that is spoken about far more than any German trophy would be. He'd even have an outside chance of Greaves' record if he kept playing very late into his 30's. Yet he's thrown away that possibility. I can't wait to hear his comments when it's all confirmed. The other part of this that stings is the support he's had from our fanbase, that has never truly felt appreciated and I think he may regret taking it for granted. Unlike other club legends he's never truly seemed to love us like he should or shown it in the way that someone like Heung-Min Son does. It's always seemed fairly calculated, fairly business led. Much like our chairman. No one will ever love and support Kane like Tottenham fans have for him. The most underappreciated and abused footballer in this country over a long period of time, where the only constant was how far we'd go to defend him and highlight just how good he really is. Small things that don't mean much but the mural, the tifo, the record-breaking celebrations, ways in which the club and the fans have been able celebrate him that he won't get anywhere else. If things go badly at Bayern (they won't), he certainly won't be getting the same backing from the fans. Of course, on the flip side, I do think a certain portion of our fanbase have underappreciated him too. He should have had far more player of the season awards then he has. But maybe that's linked to my earlier point about the connection with the fans. Something has always find a little bit lacking, and the Man City/Gary Neville debacle certainly added to that for many. Now this is where I get angry though, and where the club has totally failed the fans and Kane again. Levy's managed to squeeze £100 million rising to £120 million out of Bayern. From a business perspective he's going to be delighted to get so much for a thirty year old with one year left on his deal. But that's where he just doesn't get it. This club is run as a business. It's not run as a football club. Levy just doesn't understand football, and doesn't truly care about winning. Already this summer we've seen our 'rivals' spend vasts amounts of money on key players to improve their teams. Yet we've missed out on two of our top targets penny pinching and settled for the next on the list. This 'game-changing' stadium that we were promised would allow us to compete has done nothing of the sort. It's just making bigger profits for the ownership and yet we see the same old lack of proper investment in the playing staff. I think it's pretty clear we've already spent most of the Kane money and there won't be a big spending spree coming now. We don't have the ambition like so many around us. We squandered the best opportunity we ever had. I don't want to go over old ground, everybody knows about the lack of investment during the Poch years, but that is where we've failed Kane and what has been so upsetting about the whole ordeal. I truly believe he wanted to succeed at this club. And that was always priority number one. And yet our ambition has not matched his for years now. I have always been on the side of pro Levy but no more can I be. This is the final straw for me. When all is said and done, and the dust has settled, Kane is going down as one of the all time greats of this wonderful football club. Going to Bayern means we don't have to see him every week, don't have to see him scoring against us, and can appreciate him for the player he is. That will make it easier. But right now I'm crushed, better people than I are looking at the positives and trying to see a brighter future, but I can't do that currently. Thanks Harry for all the goals, you're going to be missed greatly.

This can't possibly be true There's been multiple reports saying the flights been delayed though idk man. Rest says he's waiting at a families place.

So BILD reports that Tottenham stopped his car to the airport. What is happening now.

To be fair if I had a family I'd move them to a country with a decent healthcare system as well.

And at least you can applaud Bayern for being a well run club who have earned their money over the last few decades. Can't say the same about City.

I didn't misread it, I just didn't read it...

I should have.. The way Stan asked the question meant he wasn't sure himself..

Obviously not.... I just saw the has anyone won 11 in a row, not the rest..

1-4 were closer in points in Germany than England last season. Bayern won on GD, sounds like a pretty competitive league tbh

The Bundesliga is not uncompetitive. Dortmund literally pushed Bayern to the limit last season, and Dortmund aren’t floated by a billion pound TV deal or questionable sugardaddy.

Man Utd win by two or more and it's a winner. Man Utd win by 1 or fail to win it's a loser. The Asian Handicaps like -1.0 are the awkward ones because they pay out as 'void' if the handicap levels the scores. Even worse are the split ones like Man Utd -1.0 -1.5. I avoid both of these types in general and will probably try to avoid them completely in this thread for your benefit.

Dan you've taken the exact double I wanted

I will take this double for the weekend.

Midweek Results 7 EFL Cup games to get the results for in midweek! - @Lucas is on the move as Southampton were beaten by Gillingham, @Bluewolf suffered a heavy 4-0 defeat with Millwall at the hands of Reading, and @RandoEFClost on on penalties with Cambridge to Sutton. The other 4 games resulted in wins so 3 points for @Stan (Leicester), @Storts (Ipswich), @CaaC (John) (Leeds), and @londonerlilie (Wimbledon). All but myself now on 2 games played! Storts and Stan are our current leaders.

Was tempted just to go for the single for the Dons game, but chose to add the other with PSV as they usually score a bunch.

Why are you so obsessed with Hitler?

@Dr. Gonzohave you heard these?

That's just side effects from the steroids.

Happy birthday @nudge! Pour a few liters of beer and some whisk(e)y down your throat!

Hope they never win it again

Happy Birthday @nudge!

May I gather you all to celebrate a very special day. It is our beloved @nudge's birthday! Please show your respects accordingly.

You were not asking me, but there are 3 distinct types of English obsessions on Germany. The first is Hitler & WWII The modern opposition to the first type are those that think Germany 2023 should be what we aspire to be. While doing away with a whole political party. And then third are those that just like Adidas, Puma, BMW, Mercedes Benz, hot dogs & so on. I am wearing an Adidas item today..