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Kitchen Sales era is being woefully neglected amongst us in here

Legend says Denis is still waiting for that phone call....

Thanks! And fingers crossed for tomorrow! Hope you beat those äppelwoi drinking bastards!

Congrats on the win! I'm already nervous about tomorrow,although being expecting to lose by quite a margin against Frankfurt. That's probably because the cup is my preferred competition.

The conflict will never be resolved until either Iran or Saudi Arabia collapses and a new government is installed. Then what happens? Does the attention shift to the next realm to destabilise?

Holy shit we are in the quarter finals. Went 0-1 down in the 15th minute, scored the equaliser in the 87th minute and the winner in the 92nd minute. Classic Fortuna heart attack style. Jona Niemiec is such an impact sub. I think he scored 4 goals in 3 games now after coming on late.

Yeah but attributing that to all Venezuelans, many of whom are simply trying to flee the shitty situation Maduro's government has caused, is just stupid. Also if bribery is a problem, it's not just the Venezuelan government to blame. Criminals, regardless of where they are from, will always take advantage of a culture of corruption. Bribery going far is indicative of a culture of corruption being rampant in Peru and Chile and is a societal issue for Peruvians and Chileans to address if the problem has gotten out of hand. Making blanket statements like "they are vile from their government to their people" because of the actions of criminals is no different to those people who are anti-Latino in the US because Mexican cartels cause crime in the US. Or people who are anti-black in the US because "they have gangs and commit crimes." Or the many people around the world that end up hating anyone from the Middle East because "they're all terrorists." That kind of thinking doesn't actually address any problems, it just causes bigotry to spread.

Don't be quick to tar all Venezuelans as vile. They are desperate people living under serious oppression - the circumstances that lead people to do things that they wouldn't otherwise do.

Yeah. It's twice now too people have tried to equate the suffering of Palestinians with the suffering of the people of Iran in this thread as well. And I think that's pretty ironic considering the point of view of many Iranians, all over the world, but especially those in Iran. So many Iranians, especially in Iran, view Palestinians as one of their oppressors. They pay their taxes and they see a government completely neglect their needs and spend a huge amount of money on backing groups like Hamas, as well as spending money to improve the lives of Palestinians rather than focusing on their own citizens. That resentment grew a lot last year when loads of Palestinians and Lebanese in the west expressed support for the Iranian government against the citizens demanding basic human rights. And nowadays, when you see an Iranian that comes out as super pro-Palestinian, it's usually someone that is very much pro-IR and against the people of Iran. Like the guy who commit the terror attack in France recently. I do my best to not harbour the same sort of resentment to all Palestinians. I know that most Palestinians are born into oppression that comes at them from basically every angle, external and internal. They're fed loads of propaganda from a young age and especially for those within places like Gaza. They're not allowed to have dissenting political opinions. Like Iranians, they face constant oppression from the same group of people that claim to be their protectors. They're basically groomed from a young age to either fight until they are martyred or to become unwilling cannon fodder for the sake of Palestinian propaganda. But Hamas, like the IR & Israel, are oppressing the people of Gaza. To quote the wise @Spike: "Just because the person holding the chains is the same colour as the slave, doesn't make it more ethical." And saying that doesn't excuse or justify Israel's own war crimes and human rights violations. That is categorically untrue. The Nakba was a violent and forced removal of Palestinian Arabs from their homes. The history of this conflict is tinged with loads of human rights abuses. Hamas's crimes decades later don't suddenly absolve Israel's crimes. For there to be meaningful and lasting peace, Israelis and Palestinians need to recognise and reconcile that the horrific mistakes of their current and past leadership that have led the conflict to this point. Wiping out Hamas and leaving a group of shellshocked civilians behind left to their own devices in the aftermath is not going to do much in the way of fighting the extremism that keeps the cycle of violence going. I think people on both sides of pro-Palestine/pro-Israel have done a lot to sort of whitewash and rewrite their histories. It's not helpful to anyone who wants to see Israelis and Palestinians living normal lives where they don't have to worry about getting killed.

I completely forgot about that. Then there was the Trump auto correct to something about Barking Spiders

Well that’s the issue isn’t it. The Palestinians don’t have any allies that are less extreme because of what they’ve done to other Arab nations they’ve been refugees in. So they just have Qatar and Iran feeding an already radicalised society more extremism. If your only means of resistance is to guarantee the slaughter of your people - it’s not a good resistance though. And they’ve let radicalism take root in Israeli politics with their decades of escalation. So it’s created a vicious cycle. It’s why Israel and Palestine should be a matter resolved by world powers. We cannot trust 2 sides of extremists to do anything other than escalate. The UN needs to force a resolution to this. It’s absurd the number of Jews and Arabs in the West that have been murdered in the aftermath of this war breaking out. People far far away from the battlegrounds thinking they need to fight it out where they live because they’ve been blinded by paranoia and propaganda from these 2 extremist sides.

Considering Hamas has basically done nothing for Gaza other than get loads of people killed, yes. Hamas is their government and also has said they’re not responsible for protecting civilians. How do you justify this “slave revolt” when the side you seem to be totally fine with doesn’t seem to give nearly as much of a fuck about dead Gazans as you do?

He was probably a more mature player 2015 onwards but the best footballer I've ever witnessed with my eyes was 2010-12 Messi. 2018 Messi doesn't make the entire Real Madrid defence, a defence containing Pepe, Carvalho, and Ramos. look like Sunday league players that 2011 Messi did.

Some guy thinking Renato Tapia will end up at Real or Barca

I think it was various members! Me and you included probably

As are Weird World and Innocent Boy. The latter threatening to cast a spell on a forum member, forgot which one, was an absolute highlight in the forum's history.

Lmao the red cow from South Park is real? Religious people are fucking mental.

Some good times have been witnessed on here. My personal recent favorite was the time Cannabis tried to organize some scammers to come meet him for drinks at a specific place during the WC in Russia. And the infamous "flamethrower" incident in Mafia Wars.

You forgot one: "Peru would do better than Croatia at WC 2018" (Goku de Boca)

WEEK 18 - CREEPING BACK UP, CREEPING BACK DOWN WEEK 18 STATS Winning bets: 3/8 Winning selections: 8/16 Weekly forum position: +£10.27 (Ranked 6/18) --- OVERALL STATS Winning bets: 35/130 Winning selections: 117/248 Total forum position: -£241.48 A mixed week but some of this is on myself as I have made a bit of discovery, and not a good one either. I have made a couple of errors in the table over the season and have identified that I did not account for two people's losses earlier in the season. Read on, and hope that it isn't you! Better late than never. Well, unfortunately, not really the case for @Pyfish who delivers a last minute loss as Atalanta can't score at Torino. Always infuriating when you have a both teams to score pick where the underdog score fairly early but it loses. Torino ran out surprise 3-0 winners. AFC Wimbledon won 5-0, a pretty routine win. @Machado's habit of aiming for the utterly bizarre took us to Cyprus and Africa this week where we had two games with a heavy favourite being tipped to have their attack blunted somewhat. Sadly it backfired badly, as APOEL won 5-0 and Zamalek won 0-4. Two losses for the first time all season for him. @RandoEFC makes it four consecutive weeks of a half win, as while Braga delivered a 3-1 win to pay out, Cherno More Varna could only win 1-2, although they conceded a late goal themselves in that game so it was very nearly a first loss in a while. That's 7 wins in 9 weeks - although I think he'd have wanted more than £28.54 profit over that period considering. @Stan comes back with a winner for the first time in a month. Bolton sticking 5 past Harrogate in the FA Cup, but in a perfect twist getting the absolute dream scenario where he manages to see Leicester throw a point away very late on to win his bet, and then steal the win even later on anyway. So a win-win from a very unlikely scenario. Unfortunately, we come to our double-loser of the week. Many apologies to @CaaC (John) who not only loses his bet, extremely narrowly too after Everton won and Manchester United did come extremely close to a late equaliser, but is docked a further £10 entirely due to my own error in not knocking off week 11's loss. To make matters worse, the table has gotten very tight this week and this has knocked him all the way down to 6th. I apologise! The other victim here is @...Dan - who I forgot to dock the £10 of for week 15, so unfortunately his win, which is the result of the week in this table, is blunted somewhat. He does still even despite the deduction manage to have the best outcome of the week, his second win in a row and has put @Lucas into the bottom two, after he landed neither of Leverkusen or Man City's wins, quite unlucky too frankly looking at how the games went. Dan go a week without a late cry over the bad luck challenge. This week though, they can get absolutely fucked. I went early in my double and paid the price as Shakhtar could only manage the 1 goal over Antwerp. They hit the post on numerous occasions and even managed to round the keeper and miss. In even more annoying news, Plymouth got a last gasp winner, so I would've landed a very nice win this week, but it's not to be, and I'm absolutely cut adrift at this point. I need a good win again soon. Lots of football on this week. Do your worst. As stated, I'm thinking everybody gets a £25 bet to use one week from Christmas too, which should make it interesting, almost like a triple captain in FPL.

Was that CC is Klaas?

There is something genuinely wrong with you.

Israel's got Arabs living there in peace though. They've even got Arab politicians. I think Israel's government does a lot that is worthy of condemnation - especially the far-right members that make up the current governing coalition. But to say the whole country wants every Palestinian dead I think flies in the face of reality. Yes, I think it's very fair to say that Israel's government has not acted in the interests of peace or stability for Israel and the Middle East. By the same token, it's fair to say that Hamas and the PA have done the exact same thing - they've acted to continually escalate the conflict. Hamas isn't a legitimate "resistance" for Gaza or Palestine. It's a group of violent radicals that want to wage war on Jews. Not just Israelis - it's in their charter, all Jews around the world. They've taken active steps to put Palestinians in harms way for their own goals. There is no peace, for Israelis or Palestinians, with them still around. I don't think any of us are experts, and certainly none of us are the word of god (lol, what a term for a conflict raging in the "holy lands") - but I certainly think you are right that his type of comment is exactly what Hamas want to hear come from the mouths of westerners. They did not commit the attack on October 7th without expecting Israel to come in with a heavy handed approach. It will never happen because of the makeup of the UN Security Council... but trusting Israelis and Palestinians to resolve this conflict with it ending in peace is a huge mistake the world is making. Nothing Israel's government has done since 1995 has been in the interest of a lasting and meaningful peace. Nothing Hamas or the PA have done have been in the interest of making a lasting and meaningful peace. Neither Israeli or Palestinian leadership have demonstrated they are capable of handling the crisis, nor have they demonstrated capability in improving the situation over the past few decades. Neither of them can even be trusted to follow international law. I don't know why the rest of the world has any faith in either of the two parties.

Swifty was fun because trying to decipher what he was trying to say was always a challenge. I feel a bit bad because I'm pretty sure reading his posts were peering into a window of deep mental illness. I dunno what his problem was @DeadLinesman was... but the posts almost always made me laugh. It's been a while since @The Liquidator's come on here and copy+pasted someone else's post from a Chelsea forum on here and expect us to understand the references in the post - but I quite enjoyed that. I'm pretty sure he blocked me years ago, but I still enjoyed replying to him and getting constantly ignored while he'd tell me what ShedEndWilliam had to say about Chelsea's last performance.

I'm pretty sure Kel (Holocaust denier) and Voice of Reason (advocate of racial hatred) are far worse than an idiot attempting cyber bullying. You're in control of yourself and how you react to people being dickheads. Nobody but Kel or Voice of Reason was in control of their abhorant views.

1. GOAT posting pictures of semi naked, ripped men and claiming they were all him (despite them not looking remotely similar). 2. whentheballmoves chatting up that Newcastle fan then having a meltdown when Stan and I "investigated" his IP. 3. Brian claiming that Egypt wasn't in Africa. 4. That virtual football thing we did, when we set up a Twitter page selling panties with SirBalon's name on them. 5. Any O'Brian booking a holiday then snapping his leg the week before.

Still waiting on Fiddy Pence coming to Scotland to kill me

I know they're repeated, but the ones I generally remember were: 1. Scoutgate. 2. Pornea threatening to go up to Newcastle to beat the shit out of one of the Newcastle lads. 3. Swifty and his love affair with 'Deadlinebooby'. 4. One of the Chelsea lads saying you could easily get to Chrlsea by walking, despite living quite a bit north of there (I think). 5. That Scottish lad who always had a chip on his shoulder saying that Balotelli was better than Taarabt because 'Balotelli scored more goals in the Euros'. 6. The Everton fan who said Nikica Jelavic was better than Luis Suarez because he had a better goals to games ratio.

Furiosa origin story. If it's only half as good as Mad Max: Fury Road, I'm going to love it.

Well this year has been quite something. My wife and I recently lost our 3rd baby during pregnancy, and had to give birth to our child at 22 weeks. Funeral is next week. I'm not sure I have the bandwidth for Mafia Wars this year sadly.