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On 25/04/2022 at 11:43, Viva la FCB said:

I dont judge them on trophies at all that was your scale? I was just pointing out its non sense, absolute non sense. Pre and post Nagelsmann Rb has won 0 trophies to date, now sure that could change this year 

Rb is in first season without nagelsmann and in semifinals of pokal and Europa league….without stars nagelsmann had like Werner, upamecano, sabitzer 

yes trophies is a sign because in top level sports that is what counts: winning 

bayern shown they can win bundesliga regardless of the coach for the last 10 seasons

champion league requires different manager quality. 
 

nagelsmann took hoffenheim to champions league was that a success, yes because champions league means a touch more. Extra special. So for a club like Bayern to lose to Villarreal in quarterfinals that is a failure.  Look how Liverpool handled it in first leg. Liverpool  is a club on a different level than Bayern. Man city too and others and if this form of Bayern continues more clubs will surpass them
 

to me nagelsmann has to still prove himself as a top level manager and I don’t like Bayern being his testing ground.  We will agree to disagree

On 14/04/2022 at 17:35, Viva la FCB said:

Could be the case but Il give him more then 1 season to prove it one way or the other. The first half of the season we looked unstoppable. Injuries/covid and things never came back together. He was massively inflexable when things clearly werent working and we couldnt keep playing the same way and he never adjusted and thats absolutely on him but I wouldnt fire him in the first season over that. The rumoured players coming in are of the mold of what we need to play his system and that should cover the gaps if Goretzka and or Davies are out for extended periods next season. The grace period ends this season though he definitely still has plenty to prove. 

The other side of this is not letting the players off the hook too. Upamecano just isnt good enough to be anchoring our defence, Nianzou is too young and raw to even fill it games and then theres 0 cover at CB. The icing on the shitpile is our best cb this season (Id still argue was Hernandez maybe) or second best was easily Süle and hes walking away to Dortmund. Ill move to RB where Pavard not only doesnt want to play but is mediocre at best at and our only half decent cover is Stanisic who is far from proven. Sane decided to look beyond disinterested after the break for whatever the reason hes an enigma, Gnabry is a yoyo in form and has been for the last couple seasons leaving only Coman to try and create anything through the midfield outside of Kimmich really. 

Who brought upamecano into Bayern and sabitzer from redbull? Is there any one who worked there before? (Joking)

so you would give nagelsmann 1 more year. What would be the term of success for him in the second year? 

On 14/04/2022 at 17:25, Viva la FCB said:

Youre judging his career to date on trophies? You're expecting Hoffenheim to win trophies? You're expecting Redbull to win trophies? Hes also still only 34 he can learn and grow hes far from finished and he will very likely win the Bundesliga so theres your first trophy to kickstar your measuring stick. He can have at least a year and some squad tinkering to get in the personnel to play the way he wants before I judge him too harshly but you do you bud. Hes not without criticism and theres been plenty but this is pretty premature... jesus. I know youve talked about not caring about the Bundesliga trophy before.. Ill move passed that for the sake of my sanity but how would you rate Pep's time with us then? He did the double twice and league title all 3 times but never made it passed the semi's in the CL. Is that a failure? Thats three seasons to evaulate? Pep came with massive pedigree and still in one of his seasons "only" managed to win the Bundesliga title. 

Imagine red bull winning pokal this year for the first time and without nagelsmann. In fact nagelsmann was managing the favourites and went crashing out. 
 

redbull also in semis of Europa league….

so yes red bull has had potential to win trophies for a few seasons 

I recall nico kovac winning trophies at Bayern too. what happened to him?

Pep got us to the semis you are 100% right. And Nagelsmann got us knocked out at quarters. Not to a favourite like Real Madrid or Liverpool or a star studded psg but to Villarreal.  Do you admit that was an embarrassing loss?

the winning goal was scored after a substitution brought a less than match fit ready Davies into the game. I’m not sure but were they still using a back 3 at that point?   

No pokal trophy or final, quarterfinal elimination in champions league do you agree that Bayern have taken steps backwards? 
 

On 13/04/2022 at 11:58, Viva la FCB said:

Im cautiously optimistic for next season. The rumoured recruitment is exciting and will fill in roster needs to play a back 3 which Nags for better or worse seems absolutely intent on employing. Speaking of for better or worse we arent going to kneejerk fire a manager, this seems to be the long haul and will at least give him a chance to prove his worth. Lastly we've tied down contractually all our core players through their prime, will be interesting to see how the Lewy, Müller and Neuer and too a lesser extent Gnabry extensions go. 

Coaches worth has been pending his entire career.  Nagelsmann has yet to win a tournament. Getting knocked out 5:0 in pokal this season and embarrassed in champions league by Villarreal.  He was granted a championship proven squad. Only he is not proven champion. 

Nothing to get excited for next season. 
team is clearly below the top teams of Real Madrid man city Liverpool just to name 3. 
Winning champions league has become a dream rather than an expectation 

they have taken big step backwards 

losing 5:0 in pokal early on in the tournament 

losing to Villarreal in quarterfinals 2:1. 
is embarrassing for a top side like Bayern to lose to a 7th placed team over 2 legs

I know it only preseason but nagelsmann has work to do. Winless in all those games 
And what a surprise Coman has an injury!

Davies out still too

Germany u21 teams won 2 of the last 3 euro tournaments and yet the national team still struggles. 
typically there should be some correlation as the core of the 2009 winners went on for great things

Offensively the team can’t finish. Sane and Gnarby are not in form. We all know Werners form .

combine that with the group Germany is in, makes it even more disastrous. 
(bright side only 4 games left with Löw in charge; 3 group matches and 1 friendly)

So how bad will this euro tournament be:

2004 style?

2000 style?

other option?

Anyone know when the kit with 5 stars will be released?

On 14/05/2021 at 14:26, Viva la FCB said:

Trophies aren't the end all be all. You seem to like Kovac use his tenure as a measuring stick then; on paper he was successful here, he won a title he won trophies. Every other way he was an unmitigated disaster and our squads individual talent won what they won. He was completely out of his depths.

Dortmund's been on quite a run and has the superior squad I don't think anyone would debate that. Give the guy a chance, it's not guaranteed to work but writing him off already is kind of ridiculous. Well see what he can do with our squad I'm intrigued.

Trophies are not the end all?

all love flick cuz how many trophies he’s won in such a short time. 
winning is what counts. As soon as Bayern was slipping in the standings, management made a coaching change. 
 

guess the players have to like the coach as well. But kinda that goes hand in hand with winning. When your winning things seem happier/better 

8 hours ago, Viva la FCB said:

Community- great show

but is true, what has nagelsmann accomplished so far? Trophyless.  Yesterday was his best chance and he got demolished 4:1 by an interim manager 

Nagelsmann failed to win the pokal. 
beaten by Dortmund 2x in a week

swept aside by Liverpool in the champions league 

Wasn’t it 5:0 against Man U ...at least he dressed for the occasion 

he is not impressing me to be the manager at Bayern at all.  I hope that I’m proved wrong. At least kovac won the pokal with Frankfurt before taking over. 

16 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

PS: Leno is 29 years old, normally keepers reach their prime with 30 to 32 years, so no.

Perhaps. . But I don’t find him to be consistent. Arsenal is not in a European spot in English league or in any cups semi’s. 

I know that can’t be pinned on one player but I don’t see him playing with a top tier club after his arsenal contract is done. 

16 hours ago, Tommy said:

Why are you writing like a 12 year old on IRC? 

Maybe so 12yo like u can understand.

hope the way write did t ruin ur day.  If it did, I feel sorry for you.

have a nice day!

20 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

So Leno made a mistake. Didn't deserve Kahn to be NT keeper neither? Don't forget it was him who effectively lost us the 2002 WC final.

Cuz of Kahn that the got that far lol

u compared Leno to Kahn? Really?

I also remember Leno getting the hook in the 2017 confederation cup after a poor showing in the first group game. Ter stegen went in afterwards and all the way to the final. 
 

Do u admit leno is way past his prime? 

On 19/03/2021 at 20:03, Rucksackfranzose said:

What's to argue against this choice?

Did you see Leno’s “solid” performance against Everton?

leno does not deserve call ups anymore. 
Haven’t for sometime.  Might as well give the opportunity to some younger player. Give some experience with the national team 

Will this season be considered a success?

out of pokal by a second tier club

out of champions league in quarterfinals ...conceding 3 goals at home 

Potentially winning bundesliga in match day on 31. 

On 02/01/2021 at 01:26, Michael said:

AC Milan are top of the Serie A table and they are still unbeaten in the league after 14 matches. Meanwhile, Juventus, the dominant side of Serie A for the last decade are only in 6th place. AC Milan's feat so far this season has been somewhat surprising, what's also been an eye opener is that Zlatan Ibrahimovic, at 39 years of age, has arguably been AC Milan's most important player this term. His 10 league goals have gone a long way in ensuring that AC Milan top the table at this point in the season. What's also interesting to observe, is that most bookies have 2nd placed Inter Milan as favourites to win this season's Serie A title ahead of both AC Milan and Juventus.

Bookies look to be correct

Flick was “on the fence” that he was leaving it rumours were about so what does brazzo  do?  Drive a wedge.  Instead of investing in the coach who already shown progress. 
hope Bayern choose carefully cuz it may be another kovac scenario otherwise 

9 hours ago, Coma said:

Is this the end of Hansi Flick at Bayern?  My gut feeling is he's going to the national team.  He seems really unhappy with the recruitment at Bayern and his fallout with Salihamidzic has been public knowledge for months now.

Edited to say, I really like Hansi as a coach, and he seems like a nice guy.  Doesn't seem to fit in with the arrogance of some past and present Bayern personnel.

Salihamidzic concerns me. If a coach turns ur club around like flick did last season, why is there trouble? And it wasn’t just lately there have been reports for a while.  SaliHamidizic perhaps is hurting cuz kovac didn’t work out.  Wasn’t his brother part of the coaching staff too?

I also wonder if other sporting directors sit on the bench during games like he does.

I can understand flicks questioning recruitment. Wonder if it’s salihamidzic’s time to go  

imagine when the wins aren’t coming that’s when personalities usually clash. 

Bayern went from a trophy bonanza to now facing a season with just one title.

And that is not guaranteed yet. 5 pt lead over RB with a few games left.

So lewi is out for Leipzig and psg matches. Does chopping-moting get the start in all of the games or will there be a Coman-sane-Gnarby front line sort of combo?

lewi is a great scorer no doubt but It seems for big matches, he’s not at his usual best. 
(ie champions league finals ). Could be opposition is better prepared. 
 

will his absence be directly correlated to a champions league elimination?

3 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

What's to argue against this choice?

Also...Thought the great youth movement is on.  Why bring in these two who were not worthy before, certainly not now  

what about giving nübels a call up. Doesn’t have to play. Just be apart of the squad, get him integrated. Neuer gonna be like Buffon?? Thought nübels was the next big thing. 
 

seems like his career is done before it had a chance to start. 
 

and being skipped over for trapp and Leno...ouch

Leno and trapp?