Dr. Gonzo
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10 minutes ago, Stan said:
'it gets in the way'.
"But if we don't have international friendlies where we charge outrageous ticket prices to foreign fans, how will they know we care about taking their money too?"
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if this is true, the Israeli government are really stupid lol
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We'd have a hard time getting our forwards to score in a brothel at the moment, so I'm not too optimistic about anything.
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2 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:
The civil rights movement conducted legitimate protests, I am sure there were one or two incidents on the side but his entire rights advocacy protests did not involve threats of violence, vandalism, civil disturbance. The right to protest is one thing however it is not absolute, there are limits and if those limits are respected then a protest should be respected.
There was violence, vandalism, and the literal point of his protests was civil disturbance. I'm pretty sure the point of any protest is civil disturbance.
The big distinction is: black people in the civil rights era were very much being oppressed by a racist and white supremacist establishment. That makes any violence and vandalism seem a whole lot more justified. I think anyone in the west has the right to protest (which again, is inevitably going to be some kind of civil disturbance because that's the fucking point of a protest) - but I'm not sure violence and vandalism can be excused when people are protesting against oppression that the protestors themselves are not experiencing. Nobody in the US is directly in harms way from Hamas or the IDF, it's difficult to justify Americans destroying stuff, threatening violence/committing violence, over something happening millions of miles away from them.
We've seen nutjobs in the US, Europe, and Australia literally kill other people over this conflict that they're not actually in any danger from, other than the fact radicalisation has made some people go absolutely mental. It's normal to be disgusted by a music festival being attacked with both murder and rape, or the constant stream of images of dead kids that come out of Gaza. It's not normal to be made rabidly violent and lose all humanity in the wake of a conflict where the two belligerents are routinely committing war crimes.
The international community should be pushing for a peace in a region that's constantly looking like it is at the brink of war. People shouldn't be taking sides in a fight where war crimes are the norm and egging on this conflict to keep escalating.
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7 hours ago, 6666 said:
Unfortunately the end goal is unlikely to be achieved but that doesn't mean people should stop drawing attention to it and protesting for it.
Wanting Israel's horrific treatment of Palestinians, that has lasted for decades, to end and wanting Israel's negative influence on governments to end are both extremely justifiable.
But what is the end goal? Is it just a reverse of the Nakba with the shoe on the other foot?
If we were alive at the time of Israel's creation, I would have been against it - punishing Arabs for Europe's centuries of crimes against Jews in the wake of the Holocaust, taking their land and committing atrocities to get that land. But it was created in 1947 - so we're talking about 4 generations (boomers, gen x, millenials, and gen z; 5 if we want to include gen alpha) of Israelis who have been there too. Their ancestors might be guilty of horrible atrocities, but I don't think it's reasonable to paint all Israelis as active and willing participants of all of these atrocities. Beneficiaries of these atrocities? Sure. But if we want to start punishing beneficiaries of all atrocities, the west certainly has a lot to answer for as well.
If the ultimate end goal is unlikely to be achieved because it's just righting the wrongs of the past by the other side doing the same thing that's been done to them... it's not going to create any sort of lasting peace. And if it's unlikely because the geopolitical reality of the situation just means it's basically impossible... then it's not an avenue worth pursuing.
The end goal should be creating a lasting peace and a situation where Palestinian human rights aren't being trampled on a daily basis. This means not supporting further escalation of the conflict and taking steps to actually create a lasting peace.
7 hours ago, 6666 said:Israel attacks Iran again. They definitely don't like the idea of being held accountable for anything they do.
Heard reports that they didn't think the original attack on Iran would be seen as provocation... These scumbags view killing as their god given right.
This was literally inevitable. We both know how Israel fights, and given that the strikes hit Isfahan we should be thankful it's only military sites that have been struck, and not a populated neighborhood or a significant historic and cultural site (which Isfahan is full of).
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21 minutes ago, 6666 said:
Where did I restrict it to just being about the US government? Yes it's obvious that they're a bunch of embarrassing, lying hypocrites when it comes to Israel but powerful people within US society who have positions of influence are Israeli sympathisers and look to shut down legitimate criticism of Israel.
And your last paragraph was laughable. Very Rachel Riley-esque.
When you say "the US" you're either making a sweeping generalisation about a massive country, or you're referring to the government. I assumed that, because you were highlighting how US citizens protesting against Israel were being silenced - you'd been referring to the US government.
But again - are these instances of shutting down legitimate criticism of Israel? 1.) sacking people for damaging company property and threatening people who work for that company - that really has fuck all to do with why they were protesting and rather the manner they've gone about protesting; 2.) school shutting down protests getting increasingly violent due to the radical idiots on both sides; 3.) the commencements are the only thing I would concede that yeah maybe that's shutting down legitimate protesting. But again, I'm sure wanting to avoid causing division amongst students graduating is a bigger concern for the university than the right to allow them to make political statements that look like they're being endorsed by the university.
So, at best, you're talking about 1/3 of these examples being legitimate protesting being shut down. The other 2 were pretty legitimate reasons to sack someone, shut down protests.
The Columbia protests could have been legitimate... if they hadn't turned violent. Violence in protest is only legitimate when the protestors are subject to violent oppression for what they're protesting - students living in the US are free from the dangers of being around Hamas/IDF, there's no legitimate reason for them to have made a university campus unsafe.
I'm glad you found something laughable, it returns the favour of me laughing at some of the bullshit you came up with last week.
But honestly, at what point do the actions of certain protestors you agree with actually cross any sort of line? Violence and threats of violence, from people (and directed at people) that are so fucking far removed from this conflict, are obviously not crossing a line for you. At what point do you draw a line where you can say "I support Palestinian human rights, but I don't support this bullshit."
And what exactly do you see as an acceptable resolution to this conflict? I would have thought anything that restores dignity and preservation of Palestinian rights would be seen as a positive step in the right direction for this conflict. But that doesn't seem to be the case, because you've cheered on escalations and been in support of this growing into a wider conflict. Which doesn't really do much for Palestinian human rights or lives generally, other than keep them in the IDF's firing line.
So what do you see as the "end goal" for "your side" - I genuinely want to know, to try to understand your perspective.
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4 minutes ago, Rick said:
What the actual fuck am I watching? You would think we had 9 men on the pitch, there’s just nobody to pass to. Moving it along the back for the last ten minutes, no forward runs from anybody. Absolute dogshit. What a truly pathetic performance from these players tonight, fucking hell.
The substitutions made us worse.
It's hard to be hopeful for the future when we've got these attackers looking like they're not sure what to do with a football and knowing Klopp is on his way out and whoever comes in to replace him is going to be a pretty massive downgrade.
Shame to see our season fizzle out like this. Maybe we get lucky and City and Arsenal fuck up and we end strongly... but I doubt it.
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Those google workers were fired for defacing the google cloud offices and shouting threats at their coworkers, more than they were fired for protesting. Columbia University had to send in riot police because pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian protestors were kicking off and the school had to close it's campus because it couldn't guarantee safety of students. The commencement speakers thing is probably the most egregious of those 3 things... but really is a graduation ceremony the appropriate avenue for making highly political statements on an issue that's incredibly divisive?
Either way, none of those examples demonstrate anything the US is doing because 1.) google isn't the US government, 2.) Columbia and USC aren't the US government, 3.) even the state funded universities in the US aren't the US government - they're funded by the states they reside in.
Is there any limit to the sort of bad behavior the zealots amongst the "globalise the intifada" crowd will tolerate for their cause? Is it not enough to call for perpetual bloodshed in the Middle East?
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1 minute ago, Rick said:
Been frustrating tonight. I’d be thinking about Jota.
I'd get Szobo off for Elliott too tbh. Szobo's been up to fucking nothing in the second half of the season and probably deserves to be dropped. I don't have a whole lot of positive things to say about our attackers generally at the moment, so yeah... get Jota on for one of them. Honestly wouldn't mind seeing Danns too since for a while it's looked like he's the closest thing we've got to a striker with that killer instict.
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Why did Diaz get booked for an Atalanta player deliberately punching the ball away? Also I'm pretty sure that's denial of a goalscoring opportunity and should have been a red...
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1 minute ago, Rick said:
Salah….wtf???
He's been dogshit since coming back from injury.
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Stop trying to pass the fucking ball into the net and fucking shoot, Atalanta are rattled we just need to be a bit decisive. This shows us how much we've missed Trent in this second half of the season too.
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We pull one back! 85 minutes to right the wrongs of last week!
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13 minutes ago, Stan said:
That's where their big money is. But I find it amusingly ironic (or infuriatingly ironic?) that the bigger clubs and their managers complain about fixture congestion but then some of them (the clubs) were twerking for this new Super League which would have given them a lot more congestion anyway.
It's just another nail in the coffin for any fan that has some kind of morales and appreciates the essence of the game as opposed to chasing where the money is.
I wonder how long it'll be before this pursuit of constantly chasing cash just has people not giving a fuck about football anymore to the point where they're losing money.
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Maybe the big clubs in England should stand up to FIFA and UEFA for their changes that add more matches to a season for top players, rather than punishing the smaller clubs which are ultimately the lifeblood for English football.
They probably can't afford to make this statement, but the football league and national league clubs simply refusing to participate in the FA Cup until replays are reintroduced would probably get a fire lit under the FA's arse to save the cup. Getting rid of replays ultimately directly impacts the finances of smaller clubs that get premier league clubs as opponents... hurting their finances means those clubs are less likely to be able to put up any meaningful fight against richer clubs in higher leagues. This means big upsets and "the magic of the FA cup" will become less and less likely over time.
Stupid decision from stupid and greedy people.
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4 hours ago, Lucas said:
Amazing that people harping on about corruption in the game are wanting a club to go through that's been allowed to do whatever they want for years.
It'll be another sad story if Florentino Perez and Madrid win another one.
I think Real Madrid are a particularly odious club, but comparing them to 115 Charges FC in terms of the scale of corruption is a bit much.
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6 hours ago, Danny said:
Could you imagine Leverkusen beating Bayern to the league and Dortmund beating them to the Champions League in the same season? Would be crazy
Would be hilarious
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Just now, Rucksackfranzose said:
Or to do compare Tranmere Rovers to Real Madrid, as well?
Both play in white, but only one of them is a big enough club to be located in Birkenhead and not have historic ties to fascism and match fixing - so Tranmere > Real Madrid.
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1 minute ago, Tommy said:
Yeah but now you're pulling for Bayern Munich, which is weird and at least a little bit unclean. Meanwhile, I get to laugh at City being unable to buy a second CL title - and the pain of last week has subsided and I've come to terms with the fact our season is likely over unless I get a very nice surprise.
And my reaction to the possibility of there being 1 less English team in the CL next year is: lol, good - fuck 'em.
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Just now, Spike said:
I was in the thick of Puerto Vallarta
It was probably very fun, from what I saw it looks like a very fun city. Most of the time I've spent in Mexico has been in Baja California - mostly Tijuana & Ensenada. Both are great.
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Just now, Spike said:
Did you not leave the resort?
I did, but barely cos I was only there for a few days and one of those days was the wedding we were attending. I'll have to go back to check out a shitload of the stuff I missed. But with CDMX I'm planning on staying for more than just 3 days and I'll get to plan out all the shit I'll be doing, instead of just doing whatever my pals planned out for us while we were out there for his wedding.
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I can't be alone in not giving a shit if we have less teams in the CL than other leagues, can I?
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2 minutes ago, Spike said:
I really don't think CDMX will be any less gringo
It'll be a hell of a lot less gringo than a resort
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9 minutes ago, Tommy said:
And I was relying on you for legit info.
My Mexico City trip (which is just in the planning stages, nothing set in stone yet) should be a far less gringo experience than my recent Puerto Vallarta experience which was the most gringo experience I've had in Mexico by far.
But honestly, every trip to Mexico I've had has been pretty gringo because I am a gringo
- I'm not sure actual Mexicans from Mexico have to deal with things like getting pulled over and told you've broken some traffic law you haven't broken... but really you're just in a rental car heading towards the border crossing. They'll tell you they have to take your drivers license unless you pay a "fine", but if you tell them you want an actual written citation and you'll go to the station with them to pay the fine they'll tell you to fuck off and go on your way. I'm pretty sure that is something that only happens to gringos.
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Jose Mourinho Sacked by Roma
in Italian Football Forum - Serie A
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He's done a hell of a lot better than I expected considering the performance at SPAL, but I guess these Roma players are a hell of a lot better than his old squad. Good for him, I loved him as a player - wish him well with his managerial career.