SirBalon

Everyone is susceptible to market forces and consumerism whatever the financial bracket or ideological doctrine mate. Some of the most intelligent people that have made a mark have self confessed to having committed those types of errors and they don't apologise and myself included. I am only human at the end of the day and although that's a common get out clause via a cliché, it doesn't stop being an unfortunate fact of life. The media is extremely powerful and in a case such as where anti-European sentiments are in question, we're talking of decades of dedicated media force feeding these sensations to the people. You can't get away from all of that and remember that a large proportion of that period was pre-Internet with all of its benefits... Also remember that Internet isn't all positive as it is also full of the manipulation I've just cited in abundance. It all depends on how conditioned you have become which determines where you search for your news or which key words you type into your search engine. As a seemingly ridiculous example although when you think carefully about it and take into account on its fundamental directive I give you this strange, very contemporary and everyday situation that tells us a lot... We've all seen discounts in many forms from your Internet market to your supermarket magazine with cut-out discount coupons.... They exist in every single financial wage bracket publication from the poorest to the very wealthy... They exist because they are used, they are produced because work has previously been done to convince you of the need to purchase and believe in the necessity of your needs. We all use them, we are all susceptible to it and we must surely be forgiven for falling into the trap with the honest understanding that we comprehend the method. But here we're talking about something that using common sense can be changed with reflection. Here we're debating and discussing a situation that is reversible in its totality by revoking the activation of article 50.

Power! Mate... Taking the timeline and everything into account nobody can deny it was all about exerting power.

All this rubbish leavers say about those that either voted to remain or have subsequently changed their minds due to the FACTS becoming evident and non negotiable that they should back "the will of the people" when the country is split practically in half (without accounting for those in the leave camp that have changed their minds like myself) is absolutely ridiculous. In every walk of life people make decisions, execute actions or simply do things that at times end up being serious errors of judgment. Here we're not talking about the mundane things in life, those things that can affect you in the immediate and where you have an opportunity to repent and change quickly because of the evidence. Here we're talking about the country, a nation with all of its inhabitants... To not be able to reflect and swallow one's pride isn't just questionable on the character of that person and what their agenda really is, but also totally relegates them (due to all the facts) to individuals one should unfortunately put to one side because there is no help for them as they are searching for something completely different and something most common people aren't in tune with thankfully. Since when has separation been better than union and working things out together. Note... Power comes from within and never from afar. Destruction is only ever met from afar.

Britain has it's worst bunch of politicians in my lifetime and possibly in history although I can't generate the valid info to prove the latter. Without a doubt British people have almost been left on their own throughout this whole mess but I reiterate that staying in the EU is the best option for Britian, the best outcome based on facts, not theory or fairy tales about unicorns existing and us being able to obtain them. All of the info is now readily available for all if they take their heads out of the clouds... The info is now available in a manner all can understand backed by reality. This is why a people's vote (a new referendum) is vital because we didn't have the truth before as has been proved in matter of posts above and that doesn't even scratch the surface of the whole nightmare we've been subjected to as citizens. Even NOW some continue to lie and feed lies and false propaganda.

The only feasible way a Brexit could've been completed and negotiated properly with the EU is if FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT (one of the four pillars of EU doctrine) hadn't had been used as the weapon to separate from the Union. The moment that was made the overriding factor, we were always going to lose and not be able to negotiate something resembling a better deal than was subsequently possible. But even then, statistically in every way possible, nothing whatsoever beats staying in the EU where a positive future is concerned and I'll add one other thing... Being separated from the EU shoots us in the foot as we would subsequently have absolutely no say whatsoever on rules and regulations, we wouldn't be able to veto anything or be part of creating new regulations. The regulations we have been a massive part of for almost 40 years for the betterment of British people (as also EU citizens everywhere). Let's go into WTO rules where these rules, regulations and quality controls don't even exist?

The crazy thing about the anti-Muslim campaigns by leavers especially that creep Farage who has made sure his children enjoy freedom of movement by obtaining them a German passport, the crazy part is that there is no Islamic based EU member and those that committed the atrocities of grooming young girls are of Pakistani origin which at least when I studied a bit of geography at school wasn't in Europe... Infact the UK gains more permanent immigration from outside Europe (the EU), that's a statistical fact! Not that there's anything wrong with Pakistani people coming over or from anywhere if they want to add and not subtract from our hospitality. It's all nonsense, it's all rubbish that's been fed like I showed a week back on over 20 years of newspaper headlines in our British newspapers with lies and falsehoods regarding the EU.

On the point where you quoted me I answer you in depth at a later date to show you how the economy is messed up and also how as I said, you choose to beilieve those reproachable people who continue to want to take the country into a black hole. But that later... On the but where you quoted @Dr. Gonzo... Remember this...

Flippin 'eck the state of Arsenal!

Finally! Finally! Finally a lingering suspicion I've had for over 15 years has manifested itself and I now KNOW Lionel Messi is a total hoax! I was hoping it would never occur and that it was all a very real 15 years that I've lived through by witnessing the most singularly talented footballer the world has ever seen. That even this issue of the older he gets he just changes into something else and dominates that sphere too... But it can planly be observed on that video you've offered us mate, that it's all been trickery and to be honest it couldn't have come from a more apt person as yourself seeing as you're a witch, something I've been causing you of for many a year now and of which you've been lucky that the inquisition is no longer active.... TOTAL SORCERY! WITCHCRAFT! Thats what we've been fed... In that video if you observe closely you can witness that indeed Messi attempts to execute some sort of an action with his feet as the ball finally comes down from a very high headed control... But if you watch very very closely, the ball does its own thing and Messi's leg and foot action aren't in synchronisation with the ball's subsequent change of direction to go between the opponent's legs. So what we clearly have here without a shadow of a doubt is plain old devilry in motion. The man (Messi) is in league with something otherworldly, something either celestial or hellish... Choose what you will but there are other forces at work there. What a marvellous piece of football action. What a small moment of pure unadulterated magic with the control of the sphere we call a football and understanding, knowing and predicting (with his back to him) what his opponent will do so as to execute it all. Be it magic, be it real, it doesn't really matter because you've all been enjoying something for a decade and a half that you won't see in your lifetimes again. Make the most of it, savour it and don't let up watching him for a split second as this piece of footage proves or you may miss something you thought wasn't possible.

We know more than enough now to recognise that Brexit (especially with no deal) will mean a total collapse economically and it won’t be just a period in terms of 5 or 6 years. That much is clear now. The scaremongering was done before people knew anything about it all and especially before the referendum. But then again you still have egotistical self serving individuals in the political sphere that continue to be extremely irresponsible and lie. The unicornists will still believe they can drive their petrol doused cars into the raging fire that’s ever closer.

Theories are abundant and my favourite one that’s made me chuckle a bit is the one in The Independent which says that if it ends in NO DEAL when Parliament votes, that the Queen could disolve Government and place a Remain Governemt in its stead.

So the Bank of England have just released a statement saying; ”No deal would send the country into mayhem and a total crisis. It would be much worse than the 2008 Economic recession!” And this is what many of the Brexit (leave) voters wanted... To go it alone because we’re great and we don’t need them. Bloody hell! Although those that believe in tall stories will say this is scare mongering.

By the looks of his age I doubt very much he understands the sentiments behind nationalistic and patriotic beliefs mate. I would expect that he is extremely distraught and like Dan said, given up. The worst thing is if this creates resentment and then he searches for escapism and understanding from those that peddle hate.

It’s disgusting, it’s abhorrent and so so sad! Only Watch it if you aren’t all that sensitive. But let me say that this is inbred from parents!

Or maybe it’s better to be poor and offer a worse future for our children just for the sake of sovereignty (the one we always had) and a more British way of life more in tune with 1940s very British Britain were so many people were poor and hungry. They could leave their doors open (apparently) and nobody would trespass (because there was probably nothing to take)... But it was Britain, Great Brtain, full of British people and no dirty foreign meddling in our elitist governance. Unicorns do exist!

Official statement from the British Chancellor this monring. That's just a screenshot of the news. But yet I’m pretty sure the unicornists will continue to believe in unicorns and that we ALL need to believe because that’s the reason things are going to be awful. That, and I’m sure that the blame will be put on governmental individuals that are really REMAINERS and that there’s a conspiratorial agenda going on to thwart British Independence LaLaLand.

I was about to answer you myself in my own words because this is something I know quite a bit about and it's a historical vicious circle in Spain that has various reasons behind high youth unemployment I've witnessed it various times throughout my life and I lived in Spain for 10 years while witnessing it about to occur again before I returned to London. In the end I though it better to try and find an article that explained it better and in an easier manner to you but found it difficult at first to find one in English as I didn't want to translate it as that defeated the object and put me into a problem of having to work hard for nothing because you are never going to change your mind, you continue to want to drive your car into the fire while its doused in petrol. Luckily in the end the New York Times came to my rescue and I'm thankful for it. Another thing... Don't worry about the monetary system too much as here were talking about the UK leaving the EU and the UK aren't in the single currency (the Euro Zone). There are no mysteries mate... The EU isn't a perfect system because a perfect system doesn't exist. But it's a hell of a lot better than what we voted for, of that I can guarantee you as FACT not some rhetoric those you choose to listen to or read. Wake up, I advise you to do it now mate and I'm not being condescendingly come to your senses and forget the bullshit because you're being fed lies and fables. Don't let pride get the better of you, I changed my mind and felt like a fool once I started to study the situation in depth for myself AND ONLY THEN, ONLY AFTER THAT started to listen to and read the right people because I was on the right path. Although it's probably for no use in the end if this disaster continues... Heres the article copied and pasted and at the bottom the link. It was welcome news Friday when Europe’s economies reportedhigher-than-expected growth. The region, after all, has had to deal with rolling debt crises, terrorist attacks, an influx of refugees and migrants, and the possibility that Britain may vote to leave the European Union. Then there is Spain. Across Europe, economic growth has helped bring the unemployment rate down. But in Spain, the rate is 20 percent, according to European Union surveys, and has been above that level for over five years, even as the country’s economy has been recovering. You’d be forgiven for thinking that such a high level of joblessness, weighing on families for so long, would have caused the country to crack by now. The jobless number is so much higher than the rate for other economic laggards like Italy (11 percent) and Portugal (12 percent). Certainly, some of Spain’s unemployment is overstated because some workers have off-the-books jobs. And people may feel optimistic because unemployment has fallen in recent quarters, from 25 percent two years ago. Still, Spanish officials recently said they did not expect the jobless rate to fall below 15 percent until 2019. And there’s the matter of the country’s youth unemployment (those under 25): an almost incomprehensible 45.5 percent. A new government in Spain — once it is chosen after almost half a year of discord — may end up pursuing smarter and bolder policies that reduce joblessness to levels that exist elsewhere in Europe. But the chances of that look slim. Spain’s unemployment is so high partly because of particular local forces that have existed for decades. Marcel Jansen, an expert on labor markets at the Universidad Autónoma de Madrid, notes that unemployment above 20 percent is not uncommon in Spain. In fact, it has been at that level in three periods since Spain’s transition to democracy in the 1970s. And, ominously, from the previous unemployment rate peak in the 1990s, it took 14 years for it to decline to the wider European level, Mr. Jansen notes. One cause of the high rate became embedded in Spain’s labor market over the last 40 years. A significant proportion of Spain’s workers emerged from the dictatorship years with ironclad job security. Many of those protections remained, Mr. Jansen said, but much of the new hiring in the democratic era took place through temporary employment contracts. Just before the 2008 financial crisis, around a third of Spain’s workers were on temporary contracts, far higher than the European average. When the crisis hit, it was very easy to lay off the temporary workers. True, during the recent recovery, the high use of temporary contracts has most likely spurred Spanish firms to bolster their hiring. But the persistence of overly protective labor contracts alongside temporary ones with too few protections has probably also created inefficiencies within Spanish companies that have dampened economic growth. Mr. Jansen’s preferred solution is to introduce a new contract that could increase protections for temporary workers and loosen them for many permanent workers. But he said Spain’s politicians had shown little support for this idea. Something else is making matters worse right now. Much of Spain’s working-age population does not have an education beyond high school. And many of those people have remained unemployed for multiple years after the financial crisis of 2008. (Nearly a fourth of the unemployed have been without work for four years or more.) Such workers are increasingly losing contact with the industries they worked in, and that will make it even harder for them to find jobs. And hiring in Spain’s construction industry, a big employer before the crisis, is not likely to return to precrisis levels anytime soon. Mr. Jansen says helping the long-term unemployed requires a substantial overhaul of Spain’s retraining programs. But this costs money, and Spain has one of the largest budget deficits in Europe. This is where we bump into the big economic debate that looms over the Continent. On one side are those who insist that struggling countries must pursue policies that cut government spending and free up markets, to spur strong and sustainable growth. As we have learned, Spain’s labor market could certainly do with some big changes. But as we have also seen, these changes are far from imminent. They are expensive. They threaten entrenched interests. Spain’s leaders are so divided that they can’t form an administration that could attempt bold moves. Economists on the other side of the debate emphasize the need for the European Union as a whole to come together to introduce big top-down actions. Such policies include debt forgiveness and far greater fiscal stimulus. Spain’s sky-high unemployment has not moved Europe’s leaders to take such steps by now. Then again, Europe can’t count on Spain — or any country — to tolerate this high level of joblessness forever. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/03/upshot/spains-jobless-numbers-almost-look-like-misprints.html

Indeed... The UK are excluding themselves from having a say in their own market, the market their geographical position on being a Euroean nation excludes them from. Brand names like the ones we are talking about will survive Britian's lack of competitiveness and self exclusion. It's a hit, a decent hit, but one that can be lived with considering the implications of going against the free market they belong to. Britain doesn't buy more BMWs than what it's all worth on a continental basis.

Of course I get that but it's a blanket pensive accountancy of hypocritical outlooks on a platform fed by nationalism which is my argument.

Of course it's full of traps but that doesn't and hasn't stopped modern consumerist ideologies until now. Somehow, some way and in a galaxy far far away hypocrisy has managed to separate both things. Viva Saudi Arabia!

Mossos D'esquadra who are Catalan police and those culpable for hiding and deporting before captured those politicians that escaped punishment from the Spanish authorities for their rebellion in executing an illegal referendum on independence. This isn't a Catalan issue... It's an individualistic issue regarding someone that feel he is above the law.

In the benefit of who? The EU already have trade agreements with China which is where the WTO stance with some Brexiteers loses credence because the EU as the UK already trade with nations outside the EU borders.

I don't mate and you know I don't because there is no evidence on that but without a doubt the credit industry will facilitate what for them will be a negligent rise in prices compared to those purchasing such goods and being able to cover their monthly dues. The fall in purchases thus wouldn't be a clean one and enough sales would be met by comparison to making a stance against member states. Thats an assumption (thank goodness I'm admitting to this and not pronouncing it as gospel as did the campaigners pre-Brexit referendum). What's for sure is that a global market is much more important than our island on its own rather than upsetting the apple cart.

Mate... There are very intelligent people (British people) that very quickly (although admitting that they were also ignorant at the start to the whole Brexit thing but soon cottoned on although too late) understood how ridiculous the whole thing was and how we stood to lose more than gain in any leaving scenario. Take for example the most used one about "The EU sell too much to us and wouldn't want to lose our custom base like for example the Germans with their cars!"... It has already been proved in the past few months with actions from those in Europe especially using the German motor vehicle industry that they couldn't give a damn about our custom in the larger scale of things where membership to the EU is concerned. We'll still buy their products like we'll buy everyone else's only that we'll pay more for them. This without going into how even industries from outside the EU that have the EU as a specialist profit market having moved out of the UK recently or simply based more emphasis on EU support and their decisions... All this because here in the UK we thought that everyone else was an underclass and that we were superior to all of them. They don't buy BMWs or Merecedes in Spain, France, Italy, Belgium etc... They're all poor!