Honey Honey

Wtf

Got to be some punishment for Lazio for that

VAR official has been stood down. UEFA effectively accepting wrong decision. But surely the best referee they've got not knowing the rules either is massive alarm bells. 

It will be the same inconsistent application. Therefore we must not do this.

If we want to clean up discipline impose post match yellow cards or red cards on players after all footage is reviewed by a panel in conjunction with referee mic and statement. 

Some people are sharing UEFA statements from April that would suggest this isn't a penalty even by the rules.

Perhaps then they are changing the rules so much their best referee doesn't even know what it is.

Cruel that. Very cruel. Not angry, just gutted.

If the rules say that's a pen then they need to go in the bin.

I AM A BAG OF NERVES

Whilst we have been ravaged by injuries I think the lesson here is you can't be carrying players like Dummett and Ritchie, you need a full 25 man squad that can be brought in. Next year would replace Ritchie with a centre forward in the squad.

There are many upsides to sharing a language with other countries and the Americans in particular. However one of the downsides is the American led online far right digging up a clip of Humza Yousaf from 3 years ago and spinning it for their own agenda. I suppose it means they take a break from discussing local council town planning policies in Oxford and Liverpool. Odd balls the lot of them. 

53 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What's up with the BBC?

Between this and their tacit support of the IRI on BBC Persia, makes me really wonder what the fuck is going on with the BBC's middle eastern coverage.

The BBC have said it was an error in the editing process. We now also know she did mention Hamas but in the extended interview and not in the clip the BBC used.

Some bad stuff is in the first version by the BBC, so it's not a complete whitewash. An editing error is plausible.

Will likely lose comfortably here. Just have to hope Dortmund beat Milan so there's something left to play for in the final game.

Always liked him. Iconic of that era. Can't believe he was 80. Feels like life is going fast.

I feel groomed 

16 minutes ago, Bluewolf said:

You can have that and you can roll over in the Cup in exchange in December... 

One sided deal that. We only have to roll over but you lot bend over 

Huge win for us. Squad ravaged. 17 year old in central midfield. A bench with no options at all. Massive win. Especially with PSG, Man Utd and Spurs in our next 4 games. It's going to be a tough spell fitness wise for the few remaining players and no rotation possible.

On 23/11/2023 at 12:32, Gunnersaurus said:

Can someone explain to me why the conservatives would call an earlier election when they will almost certainly loose? @Honey Honey you are normally good at this stuff 

There is a 100 year old fear in politics that winter elections are bad for turnout. That too close to call constituencies can go either way just because it is cold or raining. Consensus has thus been that elections need to be in warmer months.

Conservatives need to move the don't knows back into their camp and may fear that such indifferent voters might not bother voting if the month is wrong. Similarly, their core is often older voters, pensioners, for whom the cold might be off putting if their support isn't mobilised on the issues strongly enough.

It is unlikely the conservatives will be able to narrow the polls outside of an election campaign. Something outside of their control would have to happen. The campaign period is their only hope, including for damage limitation, whatever time the election is called.

4 minutes ago, Tommy said:

That's the Netherlands fucked as well. 

Lots of elections coming in 2024 and right wing populist are on the march in most places.

Yet to be seen whether Wilders can form a coalition.

I've always looked at the Dutch political system as the arguments for and against proportionate representation in the UK as I think culture similarities are there. This is a good example of what I mean, argument for, extremes probably can't win majorities or take power like they can in some other systems like some Presidential systems, argument against, extremes can speak more freely. If you want PR in the UK you have to accept that this means a far more vocal far right and extreme right wing views in our political discourse. 

2 hours ago, Gunnersaurus said:

@Honey Honey after reading about it seems to me that this is a plan to try to push people into work who aren't able to. From what I gather it probably won't help the economy much if at all and we won't notice the difference in the tax we pay. Obviously if we can get people into work it's better but it seems that the conservatives are trying to be seen to doing something about people claiming benefits. However trying to force people who are unable to work into work to get votes is despicable 

Don't worry mate, May 2024 election is the rumour tonight. 

Tories are playing cards designed to defend their heartlands from embarrassing electoral wipeout. Never say never in terms of whether they can win outright but there'd need to be substantial movement for that. No sign of any wind change yet.

15 hours ago, Gunnersaurus said:

So the government are now targeting people with mental health issues. Saying anxiety is not an excuse. This is very personal to me. Actually almost made me cry. It seems everytime this government can't get worse they do. 

Is this the wfh push?

If so if I can offer you any hope it's that it won't likely come in until after an election. So might not happen.

7 hours ago, Happy Blue said:

Likewise, people who just assume we are guilty need correcting. this is why we have courts

I have never used the term guilty, but I can understand how that might be inferred and can fully accept a reply to caveat what I said would have been appropriate. My issue is that you layer any valid response in distortion and fabrication. An open goal becomes a row Z strike instead as a result. 

Arbitration panels are for providing independent assessment to prevent one side of a dispute from being judge jury and executioner. It's not a criminal court. The basics of the CAS case against Manchester City are 3 of the 7 arbitrators voted that the evidence was substantial enough to charge Man City on one of the commercial deals, 4 didn't. The other deal was deemed to have timed out and therefore the arbitrators were not to decide on the evidence. Lastly, the arbitrators upheld a charge for failing to comply with the investigation.

Taking these points into account, claims of innocence or cleared of wrong doing are as misleading as saying guilty outright.

In the case of the Premier League, as with Everton, the league investigates and then deems if the evidence is there for a charge. Once so, it is referred to an independent panel, I think of 3. You then get 1 appeal and a new panel has to be formed as will happen with Everton. Everton's penalty has raised questions as to why having been charged in February the independent panel has not formed yet to judge the evidence against Man City. Nick Harris mentioned on the Rest is Football that Man City are deliberately drawing this out as long as possible. 

On 18/11/2023 at 06:04, MUFC said:

Generally Israel and the Western media has been using the bullshit tactics for years. Last year when they attacked Gaza it was a real turning point. With soical media literally everything they said was being debunked. Last year in Gaza and this current situation in Gaza, they really have lost the so called propaganda war. They've used the media as their strongest tool for years but I feel with social media the tide has now turned. So many people who usally sit on the fence or even side with Israel have now gone against them. The video which Stan just posted above really is a first. For the BBC to say this against Israel, this is unheard off.

Who knows, in the future maybe Israel will use AI to brainwash the masses again.

Anecdotal? Social media bubble?

Yogov tracker has siding with Palestine in the UK at 19%. It was 23% in May. 15% after the October attacks.

Siding with Israel has gone from 10% to 19%.

Sitting on the fence has rocketed from 19% to 30% as people move out of the "don't know" category thanks to popular attention.

In any intellectual space I don't think you can pick a side and not be easily made to look sketchy. The easy opt out to protect perceptions of judgment is to sit on the fence because this issue is way too booby -trapped.

3 hours ago, Cicero said:

 

Newcastle, Sheff Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Everton, Wolves, Forest. 

And Burnley apparently.

It's interesting when teams who benefit from loans to affiliated clubs in the other direction vote that it is unfair for the league.  Basically it's alright to fuck Belgian leagues but not ours.

46 minutes ago, The Palace Fan said:

You're wasting your time. At first he was being a wum but after 10+ years its become clear that fans like him are the antithesis of everything that's wrong with modern football.

44 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

Said it before but it amazes me people still give Happy Blue the time of day. It's like debating with frogspawn.

I wasn't expecting a response or a debate, I think it's important in a public space that anyone outside who reads the thread with no knowledge doesn't think the end point is what HappyBlue said. 

You have to reply in some degree. 

1 hour ago, Happy Blue said:

No, we only got fined for not cooperating outside of court and cleared of any wrong doing. the time barred stuff was irrelevant as we was innocent of that too. sadly it's going to take years to clear ourselves again but we will own the premier league by the end of it 

Not sure that's true but it's your club so I assume you've read the dozens of pages of CAS ruling and can enlighten me on how the printed press have the wrong take. I can only be arsed to rely on others to read it for me but open to being enlightened.

The fine shows you were snakes then and reports are you're being snakes now with the Premier League, not really something to be proud of.

4 hours ago, Happy Blue said:

UEFA charged us, the "evidence" didn't hold up in court ..90% of the charges are BS anyway, grass 1mm too short, away dressing room 1 square foot under size etc etc. this guys doctored emails will not stand up in court, going to be a slap on the wrist 

Whilst some evidence may not have held up overall the court indicated UEFA was absolutely right to charge you. Holding up but lowering a fine from €30m to €10m and time barred some other evidence.i