The Artful Dodger

While I agree that the EU is not some malevolent force for bad, neither is it some super force for good. It is simply not that powerful. There are many things about the EU which are very concerning and its rules on state aid, for one, can be only be considered detrimental to national industries in need. You're still arguing from a point of view that things can get much worse for many people. From a material point of view perhaps (but not definitely) you're right but socially and emotionally you're not. Take a town like Pontefract (using it because I know it well), it's ceased to have a purpose this is a place with literally no hope of every being a functioning part of the British economy again. Saying to people there, 'ahh but things can get much worse', just is not going to work. That's why remain campaigners are so appalling at actually winning anyone over because all their arguments are negative. The only way to even begin to counteract the UK's problems is a proper left wing government, of which Corbyn would be a start. Yet you see most of remain actively hostile to him. This tells you what you need to know. They're not interested in actually helping anyone. Brexit is is not as important as people think it is, certainly not for the working classes. I voted remain, think it was stupid to have a vote but we must leave in some way. If we do not do this then we will sew the seeds for something so much more unpleasant than anyone can really contemplate.

Just look at turn outs in the UK city protests. They're white, priveleged people generally. Nothing wrong with that but it's true. Remain doesn't speak about what happens after we remain because most of them were happy with how it was. Well sadly for you, things aren't ever going back to how they were. The bloodsucking middle class have had their day in this country.

I didn't say Britain couldn't get any worse but the communities that have been left behind. Of course you can say there will be x, y and z shortages but these places are broken and nothing will effect the complete nihilism that's taken hold. You clearly haven't experienced what I'm talking about. Remainers unwillingness to actually address the real problems in this country are part of the problem. That's why they're widely loathed and rightfully so. Remain has been hijacked by house prices and rent yields, when it should be about reversing decades of malevolent attacks on the working class. But then most people don't care about that when it's not effecting them.

To lots of people it can't, while the country as a whole may suffer more to these left behind people it doesn't matter, they've already lost it all and nobody cared about that then, why would they care now? When you have fuck all and the community is totally shattered then what's going to top that? Remain is packed full of wankers worried about their skiing holidays. These people are just as much the enemy as any full on Brexiteer.

He's alright. Bit of a posh gimp though. One of the things he thinks is bad about brexit is it might affect his skiing. This is the worst thing about remain, it's infested by middle class people who are naturally tory. It's not going to cut it in working class communities devastated by the way this country has served the interests of the middle classes (mainly remain voters). Go to old mining towns and tell them how much worse it can be without the EU. It can't get worse.

I'm going to old Trafford on Saturday. Praying get to watch Smith bat. I'll be able to bore young relatives in 40 years with it.

What does this even mean? Corbyn has played an absolute blinder over the past few days.

That's a load of nonsense also. This country has been on a road to this or something like it for decades. The issue is the wrong cause has been identified. It's our economics and culture which mean some sort of civil breakdown is inevitable. Radical change is absolutely needed but it needs to be directed for the working class, urban areas forgotten as greedy landlords and buy to let owners grown fat off the poverty of others. They are the enemy. Not the EU. Daft wealthy rock stars saying 'it was all so beautiful maaan' don't help.

Just goes for the last season.

It's a uefa award purely based on Champions league (or I suppose europa too) so I think it's more likely to go to someone who won it? Balon d'or is for everything.

Incredible achievement. Test cricket is the best.

What happens when you focus on the short game. This is absolutely pitiful.

Sancho to Liverpool when Salah leaves next summer makes most sense, think it would work well.

More abuse of Pogba in the news. A lot of criticism of Social Media, is there actually more they can do, other than ban the user and send their details to the police? They can't prevent people from posing a racist remark if that person chooses to.

You know that's not what I mean and are deliberately conflating it to make an skewed point. Fine, if you want goodison to become a waving flags, clappers kind of place then you'll be made up. For some to see a great, traditional club go that way is sickening. I'm arguing a lost cause anyway. Football as it should be is completely dead. It'd a middle class game now and increasingly looks like it.

The top 6 are far and away ahead of anything else. Back in the 60s 70s teams could compete from anywhere, now it's just about money. The standard is better but it's far less competitve. Having one dominant club doesn't always mean the league is uncompetitive. You're better looking at points gaps for that.

I wonder if the lads in the brick participated in the flag waving, I highly doubt it. They'll be forced out completely soon.

Atmosphere is about good songs, the wit and feeling of the crowd. It simply can't be manufactured with things like plastic glags, drums, clappers etc. This isn't against any club in particular and I know Hull City have their own share of embarrassing things but it is a slow, creeping metamorphosis of British football into an American baseball crowd. Dull, brainless consumers there to be entertained. Most clubs have already lost their attachment to the area and people.

Yes, if that's the state of the fanbase that's the state of the fanbase. A good atmosphere comes from the innate feeling of the fans, you can't create that with flags. It's all so false, so cheesy and commercial.

Nah. Plastic flags are utterly embarrassing and American. I'm very disappointed in Everton and hope their fans show some spirt and urge the club to never stoop so low. Leave the flags to Leicester, Chelsea etc.

Teams are more dominant nowadays, as football is far more unequal. Shankly, paisley's achievements will be hard to get even close to for Klopp. Winning league champions used to regularly lose 7-8 games a year.

Obviously when he's there a while he can sort a defence out. He was synonymous with goals going in everywhere with us and Watford. Even though our record was massively skewed by the last 2 games when we were effectively down.

And England have succeeded. Big shame.

I despise t20. It's a game which doesn't have the balance aspect fundamental to cricket. It's a game for our generation who are unable to concentrate long enough to enjoy proper cricket.

England just trying to injure Smith now.