The Artful Dodger

Wasn't for Juventus and isn't for France. Be a loss for Manchester United if they bin him before Mourinho, as I can see another manager making him central to a successful team.

As much as I feel cancelling Brexit would be in our economic best interests, I'm not sure how parliament can do that without seeing a civil society breakdown and there being serious unrest. They would need at least some sort of electoral mandate to do it, this is what happens when you have referendums, there is a crisis in legitimacy now and parliament has surrendered some of the basic principles of British democracy which cannot be recovered.

Being a bit unfair there. I disagree with nearly all his positions you mention there but he's not a brainless xenophobe. His comments about the EU aren't motivated by a dislike of Germany but just common sense, Germany is simply the most powerful European country and will ultimately play the biggest role in the economics of it. The EU is a far better way of managing this that it's previous military forms. Speaking this fact infuriates some little Englanders who see Britain as a still powerful nation and frame everything through the World War prism, but ultimately it's not necessarily a bad thing and doesn't bother me particularly.

Pandemonium at the moment.

Missed it. Fury did well? Draw works for the rematch.

Fury's been taken down by lighter opponents before, Wilder can hit harder than them. If he's got the ring fitness then I think Fury can do it.

Hitchens is brilliant, I disagree with him about a fair bit but it's nice to hear an eloquent witty and forthright voice amidst the general drudgery.

My sole reason for voting Remain was the cultural reasons, I think Britain will suffer greatly culturally from a breaking of the ties with the European Union. I know the EU is not Europe but it feels like that's how many people see it, I love Europe, European history and culture and Britain's place among that history and culture. I worry about cultural trends across the world at the moment, but in some ways I think it's just too late now, this country is so badly educated now that we have barely any people worth speaking to.

Fight be around 5am? Think I'll fuck it off, quite fancy having a bit of a day session in the pub watching Arsenal v Spurs and Liverpool V Everton and i'd be fucked if stayed up for this.

The Remain side is on the whole, not any better when it comes to intellectual rigour and originality of thought. David Lammy et al may mean well but just tweeting repeatedly 'Peoples vote', is lazy, vapid politics and typical of this whole farce.

If you want extremely intelligent, logical and rational conservative voice then look to someone like Peter Hitchens. He makes very decent, profound arguments for leaving the EU. Fairy is from the Tommy Robinson absolute imbecile mould of thinking, and that is why we have so much to fear from Brexit because it is being led by people with little intellectual capability. This country is completely stupid, just look at our modern culture. Look at the majority of posts in this thread, or forum as a whole, we're fucked.

Oh you've spoiled it now.

Problem is this will just be spun as 'Project fear 2.0', indeed David Davis referred to it as such earlier on today. These are just predictions, I don't believe they are politically motivated I believe they are made with the best efforts to be true, I think even the most ardent Brexiteer will allow it to be said that the UK economy will if not struggle for a period, not do as well as it would have being in the EU. What they claim is that this will be a temporary thing, we should defer our gratification and ride it out for something better. It won't put people off voting Brexit. Carney has been right on some things and wrong on others but the economy is so fragile for more reasons than Brexit and it begs the question why more isn't being asked about what actually underpins the whole system, in or out of the EU. Still nobody is willing to have this conversation in any serious way, therefore the economic crash will happen, it just might be worse than it would have been.

Pretty funny to be fair.

I think Fury v Joshua would be a better, more even fight so I'd like to see Fury win this.

I imagine some people post on two or more forums so just copy one from the other.

A second referendum only extends the mess, why should that one be definitive? There would have to be a tie breaker, unless it was an absolute landslide and I don't see that. The Leave campaign was infiltrated by all sorts of horrendous people but this was obvious to anyone who cared to check things out. There should never, ever have been a bloody referendum and it was one of the grossest acts of political selfishness and cowardice this country has ever seen but we can't go back. Don't forget the narrative has largely been about how awful this all is, if we were to have a second vote the Leave vote would ramp back up again and spout the same populist, with an added line about the overthrow of democracy, I think they'd do just fine once again. If they were to lose it'd would be a small margin and what then? 1-1? Also, if Leave were to win once again we would be even more beholden to the right-wing that we are now, they'd have the cocksure swagger of two victories and the more moderate voices would be swept to the side.

Still can't bring myself to back a second referendum, it's abdication of responsibility of our elected MPs and will only lead to more chaos. I think Corbyn is handling this more shrewdly than people think.

The slavery analogies are really unnecessary and unpleasant, these people are totally ignorant.

She's called Rees-Mogg's bluff now, he has to get the 48 letters or he is done completely. The weasel like Gove will wait till as late as possible to see which way the wind is blowing before either resigning or publicly backing May. May's deal being accepted means another 2 years of negotiations, it's basically a stay of execution.

Not true, most of the Northern cities voted similarly to London. May has for the first time raised the prospect of a second vote, giving it a credence it hasn't yet had. I don't actually agree with a second vote per se but the tides turning a little, there will be a general election before any final deal/no deal and the outcome will be decided on the campaign pledges. I wouldn't bet against the May surviving though.

You voted Brexit first time round? Or the Brexit vote was a maliciously personal vote against yourself?

Another election incoming.

1 more round and I'd have got just shy of a 100 back. Ah well, he was brave but outclassed, as he always was going to be. Fair play he's made a good deal of money in the end, out of limited ability. Really want Usyk to be able to step up and beat the biggest heavyweights but think it might be step too far. Unless he is as special as he looks.

Cant believe crolla got that UD.