ScoRoss 800 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I haven't seen a lot of Roy Keane but just seems to just have to be angry about something and doesn't contribute anything else. Yesterday, he was just angry at Switzerland for a short rant and then sat quietly contributing nothing for the rest of the show. Maybe that's what people want from him, but just feels like he could at least show something else. Otherwise you might as well have the old man down the pub sitting on the ITV set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Keane is pretty symptomatic of football and football fans in this country. Short bursts of anger and rants, much like you see on social media that go viral. I don’t think it’s a character that Keane is playing, that’s generally how he is but it’s pretty boring now. I’ve no problem with impassioned moments but that’s just how Keane is regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke 722 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Jon Champion best commentator?! What are people on? Maybe something has changed but I was never a fan of him in the past. Peter Drury is still the best I've heard and should be getting the best jobs. Agreed though, Darren Fletcher is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 3,825 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I'm not sure what ITV were on but putting Sam Matterface as their flagship commentator for England games over Clive Tyldesley. His voice is the equivalent of watching paint dry. Honestly, he is so fucking boring. No character, find it very hard to engage in the game when he's doing it. Contrast that to Tyldesley who has done the Holland Ukraine, Germany France and Denmark Belgium games to date, all have been thoroughly great watches with big thanks to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,180 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 11 hours ago, Smiley Culture said: Keane is pretty symptomatic of football and football fans in this country. Short bursts of anger and rants, much like you see on social media that go viral. I don’t think it’s a character that Keane is playing, that’s generally how he is but it’s pretty boring now. I’ve no problem with impassioned moments but that’s just how Keane is regardless. I think it is a character he's playing, tbh. Watching him with Micah Richards shows him in a completely different light that make him seem both lighthearted and hilarious - which are two things you'd probably not think are a part of his personality if you just remember him as a player or judge him off his general punditry persona. Tbh, I think all the big pundits on Sky are told to act a certain way - because in a sense, they're a bit like characters on a TV show. You can see it a bit when one of these pundits ends up doing punditry in the US/Canada and is absolutely nothing like the persona you'd be more familiar with. Carragher's an obvious example - when he's on US tv doing punditry he's straight faced and serious as fuck other than the time he went out of his way to insult Alexi Lalas, which seems miles away from his not-very-serious & banter-happy stick he and Gary Neville have going on. But you're probably right that it's symptomatic of football fans in the country - because the producers at Sky are the ones telling them to behave the way that'll get the most views from fans in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just seen Souness’ reaction to the correct comments by Richards about Pogba and Kane and fuck me, Souness may as well have just said he’s a racist. We all know he is anyway but that reaction is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker 134 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I'm kind of glad Mark Lawrenson was nowhere to be seen on the new seasons first Football Focus. He's felt a bit too Ian Hislop of football for a while. The older man who doesn't quite get all the fuss. It did feel noticeable that it was Alex Scott, Micah Richards & Dion Dublin.. 3 black presenters. Quite topical I guess. Alex Scott as good if not an improvement as host on Dan Walker. Always enjoy hearing Dion Dublin's humble mans analysis. Micah Richards I do struggle with his loud style a bit. Lineker & Shearer are good, but a bit samey now, because they've been a pair so long. My interest always seems to be in whoever else is with them. And I could watch Gabby Logan present anything sporting. Don't hear too much of what Sky have to say too often, but whenever I do it's like Man United or Liverpool TV. Or both at the same time. With Amazon & other broadcasters, I do wonder how long before it actually becomes that. TV or streaming season tickets for X clubs home & away matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,497 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Best combination was Gray and Keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,367 Posted August 17, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Reluctant Striker said: I'm kind of glad Mark Lawrenson was nowhere to be seen on the new seasons first Football Focus. He's felt a bit too Ian Hislop of football for a while. The older man who doesn't quite get all the fuss. It did feel noticeable that it was Alex Scott, Micah Richards & Dion Dublin.. 3 black presenters. Quite topical I guess. Alex Scott as good if not an improvement as host on Dan Walker. Always enjoy hearing Dion Dublin's humble mans analysis. Micah Richards I do struggle with his loud style a bit. Lineker & Shearer are good, but a bit samey now, because they've been a pair so long. My interest always seems to be in whoever else is with them. And I could watch Gabby Logan present anything sporting. Don't hear too much of what Sky have to say too often, but whenever I do it's like Man United or Liverpool TV. Or both at the same time. With Amazon & other broadcasters, I do wonder how long before it actually becomes that. TV or streaming season tickets for X clubs home & away matches. I really liked Dan Walker. Shame he left but don't mind Alex Scott getting the gig. As for them being 3 black presenters. Makes no difference to me. I like their contribution, input, knowledge, sense of humour for that kind of programme. Far better than those on Soccer Saturday who had become a bit of a joke unto themselves - Merson, Le Tissier, Dowie, McInally, Thompson. It became very dry and tiresome. There's only so much 'joy' you can get out of Merson mispronouncing a foreign name before it becomes casually offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander 166 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I actually thought Lawrenson gave the best insights though he does make it obvious by gestures or comments that he does not like some aspects of the program. I like the manner of Dublin and Scott though think Lawrenson gave better football insights Dan Walker was ok too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 3,825 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Reluctant Striker said: I'm kind of glad Mark Lawrenson was nowhere to be seen on the new seasons first Football Focus. He's felt a bit too Ian Hislop of football for a while. The older man who doesn't quite get all the fuss. It did feel noticeable that it was Alex Scott, Micah Richards & Dion Dublin.. 3 black presenters. Quite topical I guess. Alex Scott as good if not an improvement as host on Dan Walker. Always enjoy hearing Dion Dublin's humble mans analysis. Micah Richards I do struggle with his loud style a bit. Lineker & Shearer are good, but a bit samey now, because they've been a pair so long. My interest always seems to be in whoever else is with them. And I could watch Gabby Logan present anything sporting. Don't hear too much of what Sky have to say too often, but whenever I do it's like Man United or Liverpool TV. Or both at the same time. With Amazon & other broadcasters, I do wonder how long before it actually becomes that. TV or streaming season tickets for X clubs home & away matches. Never a fan of Lawrenson. He just hung on the coat tails of Alan Hanson, he was the best pundit the BBC had for ages before he called it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker 134 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Stan said: I really liked Dan Walker. Shame he left but don't mind Alex Scott getting the gig. As for them being 3 black presenters. Makes no difference to me. I like their contribution, input, knowledge, sense of humour for that kind of programme. Far better than those on Soccer Saturday who had become a bit of a joke unto themselves - Merson, Le Tissier, Dowie, McInally, Thompson. It became very dry and tiresome. There's only so much 'joy' you can get out of Merson mispronouncing a foreign name before it becomes casually offensive. Yes, I did gradually find I was choosing the newer (at the time) BBC Final Score over Soccer Saturday, back when both were on a free channel. I've got a feeling the BBC must give some of them a nudge on certain etiquette type things. 1 hour ago, Waylander said: I actually thought Lawrenson gave the best insights though he does make it obvious by gestures or comments that he does not like some aspects of the program. I like the manner of Dublin and Scott though think Lawrenson gave better football insights Dan Walker was ok too.. It's that part of Lawrenson, when he clearly seems disinterested that I was meaning when I said I was pleased he wasn't there. I think someone somewhere made a fairly smart call leaving him off the opener at least. The frumpy guy with new Alex Scott & Micah Richards probably not a great look to give any of them to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker 134 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Lucas said: Never a fan of Lawrenson. He just hung on the coat tails of Alan Hanson, he was the best pundit the BBC had for ages before he called it a day. Yeah, Hansen was always fascinating to me. The way he'd break down defending, showing how the goals could have been stopped. There's definitely been something missing from the MOTD tactical analysis since he left. Being a goal scoring attacking player myself, back in my youth at my very low levels, I know I always looked for the circle of where I thought the ball may well end up, before he was describing defending in a similar way, so always fascinated me hearing his analysis on how to stop the attackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I really like Danny Higginbotham, breaks everything down so well and is amazingly knowledgeable. Underused in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Liam Rosenior always speaks sense to me, Neville and Carra are like May and Clarkson it’s funny but they actually waffle a lot of shit if you stand back and look at it. Also Simon Jordan not in terms of the pitch but business finance side of the game he’s on the money, yesterday re Harry Kane he’s bang on. I have been told Kane’s brother within the game is a laughing stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Storts+ 2,424 Posted August 19, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 19, 2021 51 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: Liam Rosenior always speaks sense to me, Neville and Carra are like May and Clarkson it’s funny but they actually waffle a lot of shit if you stand back and look at it. Also Simon Jordan not in terms of the pitch but business finance side of the game he’s on the money, yesterday re Harry Kane he’s bang on. I have been told Kane’s brother within the game is a laughing stock Simon Jordan is brilliant - speaks so much sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,358 Posted August 19, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 19, 2021 Two old hands that are not on the list are Barry Davis and John Motson and out of the two of them for me would be Barry Davis as he did everything from football to any other sport, brilliant commentator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,367 Posted August 19, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, CaaC (John) said: Two old hands that are not on the list are Barry Davis and John Motson and out of the two of them for me would be Barry Davis as he did everything from football to any other sport, brilliant commentator. Don't really hear much from Barry Davies these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,358 Posted August 19, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 19, 2021 55 minutes ago, Stan said: Don't really hear much from Barry Davies these days. Think he has retired but in his day he was the best, John Motson was good but would never beat Davies, that guy was good commentating, not just football but tennis, hockey, gynastics etc, and at any Olympic Games events. Another guy that no one hardly mentions was the ex Arsenal, Scottish player Bob Wilson, from 1974 until 1994 was the host for BBC's Football Focus, he shites all over the likes of Gary 'crisp face' Lineker and clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Storts said: Simon Jordan is brilliant - speaks so much sense I know agents and most fans don’t have a clue how it works. Jordan is giving you real insight week in week out on his show, shows idiots like Sinclair up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Simon Jordan might have some nuggets of information worth hearing but otherwise he speaks with authority on things he knows nothing about. The talksport disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf 7,161 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Premier Steve's said: but otherwise he speaks with authority on things he knows nothing about. I am like that with things like the Washing Machine and Hoover at home though... I sure can talk a good game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke 722 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 18/08/2021 at 08:44, Devil said: I really like Danny Higginbotham, breaks everything down so well and is amazingly knowledgeable. Underused in my opinion. Yeah, I've been impressed by him as well but barely ever see him. He should do more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, carefreeluke said: Yeah, I've been impressed by him as well but barely ever see him. He should do more. He's not glamorous enough is he. Let's have it right Richard's is only there due to his larger than life personality. Whenever I listen to Higginbotham he breaks everything he's telling you down and it's an extremely interesting listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke 722 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Devil said: He's not glamorous enough is he. Let's have it right Richard's is only there due to his larger than life personality. Whenever I listen to Higginbotham he breaks everything he's telling you down and it's an extremely interesting listen. Just read, apparently he's working in the US doing some sort of commentating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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