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Even Australia and Thailand have stated that the same. Apparently, anti Malaria drug is working. 

Though more testing is needed on this. The Americans have now asked its medical authorities to use the anti Malaria drug.

Also, read couple of conflicting reports that it might not work, or has bad side effects when taken along with HIV meds.

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I can't believe it was possible, but after thinking about it I have much more respect for Trump now than I did before. He speaks rubbish more often than not, but when a problem arises he actually does something about it. Answers questions honestly to all journalists and is actually having an impact for his country.

Say what you want about him being ignorant and speaking a lot of smack, but when I look at Trudeau's situation who is more calm, Trump looks like fucking Abraham Lincoln. I'm also aware Coronavirus entering the USA was entirely his fault, but at least he is trying to fix his mistakes, something I can't say about others.

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How do you know he's telling the truth?

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"A group of young men or people, could be women"

Oh ok.

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17 minutes ago, Inti Brian said:

I can't believe it was possible, but after thinking about it I have much more respect for Trump now than I did before. He speaks rubbish more often than not, but when a problem arises he actually does something about it. Answers questions honestly to all journalists and is actually having an impact for his country.

Say what you want about him being ignorant and speaking a lot of smack, but when I look at Trudeau's situation who is more calm, Trump looks like fucking Abraham Lincoln. I'm also aware Coronavirus entering the USA was entirely his fault, but at least he is trying to fix his mistakes, something I can't say about others.

What?

He's constantly called it a hoax and played it down and only changed his tune when he realised how serious it was getting. What's respectable about that xD?! 

You're seriously disrespected Abraham Lincoln at the same time. Well done.

It's very weird logic. 

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Just now, Stan said:

What?

He's constantly called it a hoax and played it down and only changed his tune when he realised how serious it was getting. What's respectable about that xD?! 

You're seriously disrespected Abraham Lincoln at the same time. Well done.

It's very weird logic. 

 

18 minutes ago, Inti Brian said:

I'm also aware Coronavirus entering the USA was entirely his fault, but at least he is trying to fix his mistakes, something I can't say about others.

 

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Oh don't worry, I read that bit too. 

But I don't get what you see that he's doing to fix his mistakes. Maybe not making the mistakes in the first place and being such an ignorant prick wouldn't get him in to so many positions where he has to fix them...

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On 17/03/2020 at 21:50, Toinho said:

Football cancelled at all levels for 4 weeks (minus A and W league). Great... but I still have to go to school. These fucks are not thinking of the teachers and staff. 

Agreed. Crazy. I've taken my son out of kinder because we can without it really hiring is at all, and we aren't emergency services workers. 

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14 minutes ago, Inti Brian said:

 

 

To be fair it was a great call he made initially to close off flights from China.

However his decisions around test kits, and driving a mentality of wanting to suppress the numbers, which meant a don't ask don't tell mentality of patients running around out there were very damaging.

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5 minutes ago, Stan said:

Oh don't worry, I read that bit too. 

But I don't get what you see that he's doing to fix his mistakes. Maybe not making the mistakes in the first place and being such an ignorant prick wouldn't get him in to so many positions where he has to fix them...

I completely agree that he could have avoided this in the first place, but he's at least being honest in the present and that's what I find respectable. At least when you compare it to leaders like Bolsonaro or Trudeau. The former making similar comments but doing nothing to change things with rising cases in Brazil and Trudeau doing nothing to help his citizens abroad. All he's doing is asking Canadians to come home with no support to those in countries that have no flights in or out.

Trump is showing balls and while he's fully at fault for Coronavirus spreading rapidly in the USA to begin with, at least he realizes he was wrong. I'd go as far as saying the only reason USA has more cases than Canada is because of population and how connected it is to the rest of the world compared to up north.

Anyways, I'm only comparing to the others. Not saying that he's been great in all this because he obviously hasn't.

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Does anyone actually believe it to be possible that Italy have surpassed China in deaths?

I feel like China just started a political campaign to flatten the curve to get their economy back up and running again. I'm inclined not to trust their information.

 

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My dad right now is reaching out to as many news reporters and government officials as he possibly can.

Obviously we have to put our part, but I find it embarrassing that they aren't trying to find us.

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14 minutes ago, Harry said:

Does anyone actually believe it to be possible that Italy have surpassed China in deaths?

I feel like China just started a political campaign to flatten the curve to get their economy back up and running again. I'm inclined not to trust their information.

 

Could be. However on the flip side Wuhan shut down 8 days earlier than Italy at the same stage. As a society Italy is being criticised for not taking this seriously early on, people ignoring advice, restaurants and socialising carried on. Basically responding as badly as the rest of the west. Many communities are going to get away with that defiance. Lombardy and Madrid are not.

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20 minutes ago, Inti Brian said:

I completely agree that he could have avoided this in the first place, but he's at least being honest in the present and that's what I find respectable. At least when you compare it to leaders like Bolsonaro or Trudeau. The former making similar comments but doing nothing to change things with rising cases in Brazil and Trudeau doing nothing to help his citizens abroad. All he's doing is asking Canadians to come home with no support to those in countries that have no flights in or out.

Trump is showing balls and while he's fully at fault for Coronavirus spreading rapidly in the USA to begin with, at least he realizes he was wrong. I'd go as far as saying the only reason USA has more cases than Canada is because of population and how connected it is to the rest of the world compared to up north.

Anyways, I'm only comparing to the others. Not saying that he's been great in all this because he obviously hasn't.

He is the most fundamentally dishonest person in world leadership. He lies habitually without realising, in every instance as a defence mechanism. 

I don't believe he is capable of realising he is wrong and his statements support that "I don't accept responsibility at all" and "I felt this was a pandemic way before it was ever declared to be one". His recent rebadge of this is"the Chinese virus" is showing he is even more shifting his mentality to blaming China because he is incapable of realising how own failings.

Have a read of this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/18/there-is-no-new-trump/

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1 minute ago, Harry said:

He is the most fundamentally dishonest person in world leadership. He lies habitually without realising, in every instance as a defence mechanism. 

I don't believe he is capable of realising he is wrong and his statements support that "I don't accept responsibility at all" and "I felt this was a pandemic way before it was ever declared to be one". His recent rebadge of this is"the Chinese virus" is showing he is even more shifting his mentality to blaming China because he is incapable of realising how own failings.

Yeah he is no doubt ignorant and wrong a lot of the time but I prefer his leadership to the likes of Trudeau or Bolsonaro as a regular civilian. The USA's cases looks higher than it is cos of population and air traffic. Not saying that the number is OK mind you.

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Need for intensive care 300 over capacity in Lombardy. Is this partly the reason for the higher fatality rate?

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1 minute ago, Harry said:

Does anyone actually believe it to be possible that Italy have surpassed China in deaths?

I feel like China just started a political campaign to flatten the curve to get their economy back up and running again. I'm inclined not to trust their information.

 

While I doubt the accuracy of China's official numbers, I don't really find it hard to believe that Italy's death toll might be higher. Firstly, because of the number of ventilators available - Italy simply hasn't got enough. Around 5000 reportedly; and it's estimated that's only about a quarter of what they'll need. China's last reported official number from 2011 was almost 60000 ventilator units (we can probably assume they produced at least additional 10000 a year; also produced 15000 new ones during the outbreak alone). 
Another reason could be the different strains of virus. It's suggested that two known strain exist - a less aggressive S strain and a more aggressive L strain which seems to be circulating in Europe.

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13 minutes ago, Harvsky said:

Need for intensive care 300 over capacity in Lombardy. Is this partly the reason for the higher fatality rate?

Older population. Lack of shutdown early on therefore the virus had more time to get spread and affect. Lack of knowledge perhaps about the virus which could play in to hands of excuse of not shutting it down early on.

Definitely overload of capacity would also be a catalyst.

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My uncle is an consultant in Manchester. He said it's heating up big time and next week is going to be mass busy as its been getting worse as the week has gone on. 

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3 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

Is there a link anywhere to a simple description of some sort as to how China managed to stamp this thing out?

If it wasnt for China, nothing would have needed stamping out. And if they had revealed the severity of it all 3 weeks earlier (instead of trying to cover it up), the death toll throughout the world could have been 95% less than what it is now (so experts say?)

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4 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said:

Wouldn't ask China for anything. Certainly not advice. Human rats of the world!

Less of that please.

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5 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said:

If it wasnt for China, nothing would have needed stamping out. And if they had revealed the severity of it all 3 weeks earlier (instead of trying to cover it up), the death toll throughout the world could have been 95% less than what it is now (so experts say?)

 

Wouldn't ask China for anything. Certainly not advice. Human rats of the world!

I'm not praising them, I'm just interested in how they managed it.

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Things are getting pretty grim at work. I work customer service for a high street bank.

We're at under half strength with people sent home or off sick, and the number of calls is getting overwhelming. It's like Christmas or New Year, but worse, and with less staff. Today our automated directory broke, meaning people were being routed to the wrong teams for their queries, or being left on hold for hours, or being hung up on after hours of waiting. 

We've not yet worked out a comprehensive policy on mortgage holidays - things are still being assessed on a case-by-case basis. We're also dealing with lots of desperate or misinformed  people who call under the impression that there are schemes offering reprieves on loan repayments, or even emergency overdraft facilities. 

People are broke, and when told that there isn't really any way set up for us to extend emergency funds to them, they're basically reduced to begging over the phone. 

Most people are sound, and almost apologetic for taking up our time. Some people are obviously very tense and the stress understandably is getting to them.

A large number of people are obviously still being pricks and wasting our time complaining about stupid shit like our interest rate reductions - at a time when UK rates are at a historic low - or calling us because they've mindlessly thumped the wrong details into our website 5 times and locked themselves out of their accounts. 

 

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Schools are staying open over here for the time being. Today I had to go in and convince Year 11 and Year 13 kids to keep on studying as normal until we know more about their exams but ultimately the exams are going to be cancelled, the kids want some guidance on what they need to do, some of them have places at university riding on their results this summer, and we're completely helpless.

Some students still stayed behind to ask me questions at the end of the day and I actually couldn't help them because I didn't have the energy or concentration. I'm absolutely empty work wise right now between having to deal with that today and trying to organise ways of helping kids learn at home for the next weeks and months when any day we could be told not to come in tomorrow.

Crazy times.

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1 hour ago, Inti Brian said:

My dad right now is reaching out to as many news reporters and government officials as he possibly can.

Obviously we have to put our part, but I find it embarrassing that they aren't trying to find us.

How come? I must’ve missed something in this thread.

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4 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

Is there a link anywhere to a simple description of some sort as to how China managed to stamp this thing out?

This is a video from over a month ago:

 

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11 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Schools are staying open over here for the time being. Today I had to go in and convince Year 11 and Year 13 kids to keep on studying as normal until we know more about their exams but ultimately the exams are going to be cancelled, the kids want some guidance on what they need to do, some of them have places at university riding on their results this summer, and we're completely helpless.

Some students still stayed behind to ask me questions at the end of the day and I actually couldn't help them because I didn't have the energy or concentration. I'm absolutely empty work wise right now between having to deal with that today and trying to organise ways of helping kids learn at home for the next weeks and months when any day we could be told not to come in tomorrow.

Crazy times.

I feel ya.

We have been told to think/plan for two weeks in case we are shut. I’ll be doing some of that Monday with a colleague during collaboration time. 

My students are so young but some are making comments about the virus so I am just reassuring them that they’re very likely to be fine and that we continue to practise healthy habits. Washing hands, hand sanitiser, coughing into the elbow and so on. 

Very uncertain times but student numbers are starting to slowly drop. 

We are not likely to close. We aren’t taking enough action, I’m calling it now, we will have over 1,000 cases by the end of Sunday. It’s not even flu season. These are dangerous numbers. 

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I don’t think people truly appreciate the travesty that is unfolding in Italy. 
Basically their ICU Is overrun so they don’t have ventilators or beds to accommodate the Numbers requiring critical care. Because of this they’re going with below 70 years old and letting the 70+ die. 

its inflating the death rate because if beds and ventilators were available many of these people would be ok instead they’re dying in makeshift hospitals, literally drowning in their own lung fluid. Horrible situation and I feel for the Italians 

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1 minute ago, Fairy In Boots said:

I don’t think people truly appreciate the travesty that is unfolding in Italy. 
Basically their ICU Is overrun so they don’t have ventilators or beds to accommodate the Numbers requiring critical care. Because of this they’re going with below 70 years old and letting the 70+ die. 

its inflating the death rate because if beds and ventilators were available many of these people would be ok instead they’re dying in makeshift hospitals, literally drowning in their own lung fluid. Horrible situation and I feel for the Italians 

Sometimes I try and calm myself by reminding myself that they have a very old population.Then I also think of the fact that their healthcare system is considered of the world's best. 

There is a slight feeling of dread coming on now. We're heading for some truly horrendous times. 

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