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Despite having a four nations approach agreed for Christmas and discussions around it, Drakeford has once again decided to be different for no reason by spinning the agreed approach and saying that two households (plus one singular person who lives alone) can meet up for Christmas. This is also to be made law because why the fuck not. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55336452

Good luck enforcing that once again. 

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22 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

That is indeed good news. Hopefully that other strain that apparently emerged over the past week doesn't fuck things up.

It's going to take a while though. I imagine the capacity to vaccinate people will continue to grow a lot from 150k a week, but there's about 60 million people in the UK. At a rate of around 150k vaccinations a week, it would take 400 weeks to vaccinate the entire population, so we still need to be patient. This also doesn't take into account the possibility that you might need the injection again each winter if you're vulnerable (I'm not sure about this, that might have only been one of the vaccines).

That said, once they've vaccinated the vulnerable and health care workers, then you should be able to think about lifting the vast majority of lockdown restrictions and get on with it to an extent.

I read yesterday that there are 18m vulnerable and 25m in priority 1 (which I think is something like vulnerable + carers + healthcare workers), which is fucking loads in a country of 65m and still leaves us needing just over three years!

That said, the rate will definitely increase. For a start, this is only one of three (I think?) vaccines, and the most troublesome in terms of logistics.

They're confident the vaccine will work on this new strain as well. Viruses mutate all the time and there are quite a few strains out there at the moment, so a vaccine that can't deal with mutations would be pretty useless... and arguably not worth bothering with.

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21 minutes ago, Burning Gold said:

I read yesterday that there are 18m vulnerable and 25m in priority 1 (which I think is something like vulnerable + carers + healthcare workers), which is fucking loads in a country of 65m and still leaves us needing just over three years!

That's an insanely high proportion of the population. Surely must be a 'generous' definition of vulnerable, probably including anyone over about 60. The only other thing I can think of is that they're counting anyone overweight as 'vulnerable' as well, there has been some evidence of people who aren't in the best health suffering worse from this and it's been theorised that that's one of the reasons our death toll has been so bad compared to some other countries. 

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All of Surrey, barring Waverley which is Jeremy Hunt's constituency, put in to Tier 3.

Pretty much all of South/South East in to Tier 3.

Lancashire and Leeds area stays in Tier 3.

Bristol & North Somerset down to Tier 2.

Herefordshire in Tier 1.

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34 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

That's an insanely high proportion of the population. Surely must be a 'generous' definition of vulnerable, probably including anyone over about 60. The only other thing I can think of is that they're counting anyone overweight as 'vulnerable' as well, there has been some evidence of people who aren't in the best health suffering worse from this and it's been theorised that that's one of the reasons our death toll has been so bad compared to some other countries. 

I thought that as well. Apparently it's everyone over 50, plus adults with an underlying condition; being overweight doesn't count (because that'd be 60% of the population right there xD) but morbid obesity does

It's prioritised within that phase 1 so we should start seeing good results (and hopefully easing of restrictions) sooner.

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11 minutes ago, Burning Gold said:

It's prioritised within that phase 1 so we should start seeing good results (and hopefully easing of restrictions) sooner.

Bloody hope so having just been put in Tier 3. I realise results and conclusions from vaccinations might not be for a while but one can hope... 

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6 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Managed to cling on to tier 2 for now, I presume we'll see another full lockdown at some point. As it is I've just booked a table at a local pub for me and my 5 brothers on Xmas eve.

Bloody hell, my old man gave my mother 7 girls and me and my younger brother, any sisters? :D

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Just now, Bluebird Hewitt said:

Boris has announced a press conference for 4pm. Not another lockdown already surely. 

Boris Johnson is holding talks with his Cabinet this lunchtime amid warnings from scientists over the new strain of COVID-19 and surging infections.

The prime minister is hosting a cabinet call now and will hold a news conference at 4pm with England's chief medical officer Chris Whitty and the chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance, Downing Street has said.

Mr Johnson said on Friday he hoped that England would not need to go into a third lockdown after Christmas, which a number of experts have warned is possible.

However, he held an unscheduled meeting late into the night the same day to discuss whether action may need to be taken more swiftly.

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35 minutes ago, Bluebird Hewitt said:

Boris has announced a press conference for 4pm. Not another lockdown already surely. 

Just the South East likely. No one allowed out or in. China style. They're bricking it that people travel in and out of the South East for Christmas. I myself was going to Newcastle but that will likely be off now. Have to see what happens at 4.

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1 hour ago, Bluebird Hewitt said:

Boris has announced a press conference for 4pm. Not another lockdown already surely. 

"Tier 4" for London and the South East over Christmas according to Twitter. For the government go from "I won't cancel Christmas" to "Okay I won't cancel Christmas, but please don't have Christmas" to "Christmas is cancelled!" in less than a week is truly cowardly

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4 minutes ago, Burning Gold said:

"Tier 4" for London and the South East over Christmas according to Twitter. For the government go from "I won't cancel Christmas" to "Okay I won't cancel Christmas, but please don't have Christmas" to "Christmas is cancelled!" in less than a week is truly cowardly

What happens when politicians are briefed and advised to never show any doubt in what they are saying. Only positive is that they are willing to change and not sticking to something to save face.

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It's Johnson's MO. Promise the most optimistic scenario possible for a cheap boost in popularity, hope for the best. If he's right, bang on about how he told us this would happen and how he told us we should never have listened to Labour, Europe, the media, scientists, Project Fear, etc. If he's wrong, just make a u-turn and act like that was the plan all along in the knowledge that too much of the media are unwilling to or incapable of pointing out how wrong he was.

Thankfully the majority of the public have a better perception of reality than Johnson does so many were already planning to keep themselves locked down or away from their elderly relatives over Christmas knowing that it really isn't worth risking lives when the vaccine is finally being rolled out.

We need to know more about this new strain though, read a few troubling stories about it being transmit in hospitals and taking down health workers again.

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Not to be outdone by Boris and on the basis of absolutely fuck all once again, Drakeford has decided to bring forward the lockdown. 

From 28th December to midnight tonight, with the only exception being Christmas Day. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55379237

But naturally, like everything else in Wales, they won't be contested, the media won't challenge like they do with the UK Government and the lapdogs will lap it up once again. 

Only need the non essential ban back with no preparation time again to round it off. 

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Well that's put a spanner in my works for Christmas personally but I'm sure there will be plenty of others in the same boat or worse.

I'm prepared to obey the rules, but I know full well plenty won't which will be the frustrating part.

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10 minutes ago, Bluebird Hewitt said:

Not to be outdone by Boris and on the basis of absolutely fuck all once again, Drakeford has decided to bring forward the lockdown. 

From 28th December to midnight tonight, with the only exception being Christmas Day. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55379237

But naturally, like everything else in Wales, they won't be contested, the media won't challenge like they do with the UK Government and the lapdogs will lap it up once again. 

Only need the non essential ban back with no preparation time again to round it off. 

Christ, if you look at the UK government and think "there's a country where they get held to account" then you must have literally no media in Wales.

Johnson gets asked questions but he's allowed to just burble through some irrelevant nonsense and it doesn't get followed up. What people need to do is play back to him and everyone watching the press conference the clip from 3 days ago where he referred to Starmer as seeming to want to cancel Christmas and have endless lockdowns and then ask him whether he was wrong 3 days ago or wrong today. Embarrassing him and other politicians like that is the only way to stop this current brand of being able to say whatever you want to get you through the next 5 minutes because you know you'll face next to no consequences for it later.

I know very little of what's gone in in Wales. Earlier in the year, the things you were complaining about I honestly thought were pretty trivial compared to the horror show going on in Westminster. Ever since Wales went into the first 'firebreak' though and there was that shite about aisles being closed in supermarkets for non-essential goods, a lot of things I've seen and heard from that point onwards tend to suggest that Drakeford and co have basically lost their collective heads as well.

I'm incredibly lucky to be on the Isle of Man where things are still fine, I have huge sympathy for what you're all still going through. I think the media have been exposed for simply not knowing how to play their vital role of keeping politicians on their toes in a crisis like this. The questions that get asked by 80%+ of media come through the scope of political bias one way or another and even the ones who make an attempt to hold politicians properly to account think they've done their job by asking a single question and not following up on it when that question doesn't get answered properly at all.

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This has just pissed me off. People will know from my post a couple of days ago I am not one for Christmas anyway, but to have mishandled what is probably the most special time of years for millions of people in this country so horrendously is fucking criminal. Millions will have gotten their hopes up for one flicker of light at the end of an atrocious year and it's literally been snatched from them at the last. There'll be a lot of mentally and emotionally shattered people in this country tonight and it's all because of one useless cunt in London and his abysmal handling of every turn since mid-March.

And the really galling bit? What @Lucas says - there'll be people who adhere to all this now and take the hit on their health and wellbeing, and there'll be people who carry on regardless and elongate this misery for us all.

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What's the deal with this latest new strain though? Tougher restrictions but doesn't pose as much risk in terms of symptoms? Will it increase hospitalisations? 

Is UK the only one to have picked up on this new strain or has it occurred in other countries? 

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