Rucksackfranzose 4,344 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: You're being paranoid about this being an argument over whether it benefits English clubs or not. I shouldn't need to explain that having an arbitrary line in July would allow all clubs from all nations to go into the season knowing who they've got until January. Having an arbitrary line in August means that the off season is still going on while the season has started for all clubs. It's just silly. Nothing to do with who wins out. I couldn't even have told you whether the other leagues start before or after the Premier League before you mentioned it, it just makes more sense for the transfer window and the season not to overlap. Have the transfer window run from 1 June to 31 July for all leagues and nobody has an advantage or disadvantage over anyone else. It's not unreasonable to expect clubs to get deals sorted in a two month window. You are aware, the most leagues worldwide operate on a March to October, November, or December schedule? So the logical arbitrary line would be February and no summer window? Also, and this is as far as I know at least one reason for August the big International tournaments WC and EC end normally at the begin of July and August was chosen to give International players the chance of a minimum of holidays without being looking for a new club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,640 Posted February 7, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Rucksackfranzose said: You are aware, the most leagues worldwide operate on a March to October, November, or December schedule? So the logical arbitrary line would be February and no summer window? Also, and this is as far as I know at least one reason for August the big International tournaments WC and EC end normally at the begin of July and August was chosen to give International players the chance of a minimum of holidays without being looking for a new club. Yes but I'm not talking about those leagues and we both know if you start talking about transfers from the Russian league or the MLS then you're no longer talking about transfers that are going to be of much significance to a team over the course of a season. Even in tournament years, teams could easily get the business done before the end of July if they were given the choice of hurrying up or not getting their man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 It was a good idea but unless other countries end their transfer window near the same time, it just makes the Premier League look stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold 599 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 9 hours ago, RandoEFC said: It's not just to do the English clubs a favour. I'm not looking up which leagues start when because it doesn't matter. They should set a deadline before any of the major leagues kick off and stick to it across Europe. The end of July instead of the end of August would make sense. If you told them they had to, all clubs could get their business done in the space of a week. Giving them the entirety of June and July would be ample time and wouldn't be disruptive to anyone's season. The line drawn at the end of August is already completely arbitrary. Why August? It's a completely illogical time to do so. Better to draw an arbitrary line at the end of July during pre-season than to draw one in the actual season. 2 or 3 weeks after the end of that Summer's tournament? Essentially means a window of less than a month for many players (which will affect many more down the line), with that taking place while they're on holiday On 06/02/2020 at 19:52, Storts said: It isn’t. We need players in early and to settle. Leaving our buying until three games into the season never works. Don't do it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,640 Posted February 7, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Burning Gold said: 2 or 3 weeks after the end of that Summer's tournament? Essentially means a window of less than a month for many players (which will affect many more down the line), with that taking place while they're on holiday Don't do it then Your response to Storts acknowledges that clubs are capable of getting business done earlier than they currently do which is exactly what I'm saying. Make it a week later than I've said if you want. My overriding point remains that it makes no sense to end the transfer window after the season has started. If all parties want a transfer they can sort it in a day if they have to. Players being on holiday is barely relevant now anyway. Agents do almost all of the negotiations and loads of players don't even come to the actual club to do their medicals or sign their contracts these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold 599 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Your response to Storts acknowledges that clubs are capable of getting business done earlier than they currently do which is exactly what I'm saying. Make it a week later than I've said if you want. My overriding point remains that it makes no sense to end the transfer window after the season has started. If all parties want a transfer they can sort it in a day if they have to. Players being on holiday is barely relevant now anyway. Agents do almost all of the negotiations and loads of players don't even come to the actual club to do their medicals or sign their contracts these days. Of course they are, but there still needs to be enough time to do it. Some transfers could take a day, but others will need much longer, especially if a club wants to put on a big sales pitch to a player, or they need a while to make up their mind. Other clubs will then want to react to that. Maybe another player becomes available as a result or the selling club needs a replacement, and then we start the whole thing again. It's really not as simple as closing everything off in a week. 10 hours ago, RandoEFC said: Bottled it. I can't believe anyone thinks that it makes more sense to have the transfer window close in the middle of the first part of the season. It's idiotic. And this tripe about players getting sold after the deadline to Europe and not being able to replace them is also silly. Can anyone give me one significant example of that happening? Premier League clubs refuse to sell players because they don't have time to get a replacement even when the transfer windows are synced up, all they have to do is say no, or get their shit together and if a player wants out, sort it before the season starts. Granted, it was silly to go on their own path here. They should have tried to come to an agreement with the German, Italian, Spanish and French FAs to all agree to do it together before trying it. But now that they've messed it up and it looks like they've admitted they were wrong, it won't change for the foreseeable future. Well played, chaps. They can still do this. That is, if they want to keep a player against his will (and let's be honest, the player has probably publicly declared his desire to leave and will down tools at some point). If not, they sell him and find a replacement. That this hasn't happened in two iterations of the shorter transfer window is hardly conclusive evidence that it won't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,914 Posted February 8, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted February 8, 2020 It's a backwards step where everyone else failed to embrace the better idea - would be similar to say a player owning up to cheating and then nobody else follows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Batard 2,534 Posted February 8, 2020 Administrator Share Posted February 8, 2020 The Premier League thought it was the leading league in the world and by changing others would follow. Hubris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Did it really matter that much? Sounds like the big 6 led this campaign to end it. Perhaps because all of them apart from Liverpool realised before the end of August that they needed to spend another £500m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman 5,938 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Harvsky said: Did it really matter that much? Sounds like the big 6 led this campaign to end it. Perhaps because all of them apart from Liverpool realised before the end of August that they needed to spend another £500m? It’s funny because it’s true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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