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Take a look at the stats and tell me footballers don't get paid to much.

Messi gets £70 million a year just from wages that does not include sponsorships! Why can't half of that go to healthworkers? 

Don't get me started on tax either, I bet he doesn't pay half as much tax as he should I don't think any footballer does. Why has footballers wages been inflated so much since the good old days when they'd be happy with a 100 quid and a chip butty?

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2 minutes ago, DCFC_ryan said:

Why has footballers wages been inflated so much since the good old days when they'd be happy with a 100 quid and a chip butty?

Because if you went to @SirBalon's chip shop that's exactly how much it costs for a chip butty.... 

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1 hour ago, DCFC_ryan said:

Take a look at these stats and tell me footballers don't get paid too much? https://www.onlinemortgageadvisor.co.uk/content/footy100/

Messi gets £70 million a year just from wages that does not include sponsorships! Why can't half of that go to healthworkers? 

Don't get me started on tax either, I bet he doesn't pay half as much tax as he should I don't think any footballer does. Why has footballers wages been inflated so much since the good old days when they'd be happy with a 100 quid and a chip butty?

It's a supply and demand equation, but there has been a near exponential growth in reach and distribution throughout the world which has greatly increased the flow of money into the game through tv rights and marketing. And clubs spend what they earn.

It's unfortunate that wages are so high particularly when match ticket prices have increased above inflation in part to pay more wages, which hurts local fans ability to afford the match.

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Also, I’m a health worker, so let’s stop the bollocks about giving me money I didn’t earn. People don’t pay £30-£100 a ticket to see me do my job. Sponsors don’t pay me to do my job. Why? Because I’m not in the entertainment business. Where’s the crusade against Hollywood actors earning millions per film? Premier League footballers and their counterparts in other countries are literally in the 0.0001% of their trade. It’s a specialism few can attain. 

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26 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

Also, I’m a health worker, so let’s stop the bollocks about giving me money I didn’t earn. People don’t pay £30-£100 a ticket to see me do my job. Sponsors don’t pay me to do my job. Why? Because I’m not in the entertainment business. Where’s the crusade against Hollywood actors earning millions per film? Premier League footballers and their counterparts in other countries are literally in the 0.0001% of their trade. It’s a specialism few can attain. 

what exactly do you do mate?

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30 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

People don’t pay £30-£100 a ticket to see me do my job.

Mate, I would pay that if I could follow you around all day seeing what you do... probably be a right crack

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It depends how you view the world. If you view world in purely a monetarist, liberal way then you believe the 'market' is always right and that it determines wages fairly.

I think anyone with a vague sense of morality realises there is something seriously wrong with the world we live in, even if they try and subdue that feeling. Alas, it's not something we realistically can fix, just hope that there is some justice in another world.

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5 minutes ago, True Blue said:

what exactly do you do mate?

He works with kids with different capacities, and surprisingly he doesn't kick them out like animals when they walk through the door. :ph34r:

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1 hour ago, The Artful Dodger said:

It depends how you view the world. If you view world in purely a monetarist, liberal way then you believe the 'market' is always right and that it determines wages fairly.

I think anyone with a vague sense of morality realises there is something seriously wrong with the world we live in, even if they try and subdue that feeling. Alas, it's not something we realistically can fix, just hope that there is some justice in another world.

Agreed. 

But yes supply and demand and all that but it just shows what we are as a species. 

My wage is public knowledge if they know where to look and know how many years I’ve been in my profession. 

I get judged by every action of every day, would feel nicer if I was on the money these sports stars were on haha 

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The issue is not that footballers earn too much but that governments allow poverty to go uncontrolled so that capitalism can be uncontrolled in exploiting it

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2 hours ago, Berserker said:

He works with kids with different capacities, and surprisingly he doesn't kick them out like animals when they walk through the door. :ph34r:

Takes all my strength to be fair.

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10 hours ago, DCFC_ryan said:

Take a look at the stats and tell me footballers don't get paid to much.

Messi gets £70 million a year just from wages that does not include sponsorships! Why can't half of that go to healthworkers? 

Don't get me started on tax either, I bet he doesn't pay half as much tax as he should I don't think any footballer does. Why has footballers wages been inflated so much since the good old days when they'd be happy with a 100 quid and a chip butty?

I’ll have you know I was told by a very reliable source that Messi in fact plays for free. 

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1 minute ago, Cicero said:

I’ll have you know that I was told by a very reliable source that Messi in fact plays for free. 

Goddamn! Raise the bridge and fill the moat the normans are coming

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5 minutes ago, Cicero said:

I’ll have you know that I was told by a very reliable source that Messi in fact plays for free. 

Golden days.

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My thoughts on wages are: they're probably too high for the very very very rich. And they're probably too low for pretty much everyone else.

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2 hours ago, Bluewolf said:

A bit of an in depth and detailed look at the footballing finances called how Football became broken beyond repair... very interesting stuff @DCFC_ryan

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/how-modern-football-became-broken-beyond-repair/ar-BBZV88a?ocid=spartanntp

Your link is broken btw if you click on it.

Found this (which is the source) - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/champions-league-superclubs-liverpool-man-utd-barcelona-real-madrid-a9330431.html

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7 hours ago, Bluewolf said:

Cheers, not sure what's happened there

No issues I think the same thing happened with your Met post about facial recognition too. Must be something on the phone.

Anyways, back on topic, football wages will always be skewed because of the way agents go about prostituting the players they represent and because there's so much money in it. If a player is good you know that offers from clubs lower down the league in any country aren't getting looked at solely because the percentage cut from payout outweighs whats good for your cash cow (aka footballer). Add to this mess that clubs are clamoring for more TV money and its not like any of this is a secret so now you've given the agents more to think about when it comes to fleecing players. FIFA/UEFA really just need to step in and create some order in this chaos but they aren't because no one wants to be "that guy", the guy who told everyone we need to start playing on a level playing field, the same guy who has a slogan with the words "Fair Play" in it and then goes and institutes FFP with exceptions because that's what fair is, a bunch of exceptions.

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Obviously their wages are outrageously inflated, but at least footballers are the ones who actually create the entertainment.

Im more more bothered about the legions of hangers-on who get outrageously rich by leeching off the sport and doing almost nothing, like agents, marketing executives, and federation officials. 

We live in a fundamentally immoral, or at least amoral system. There are many many people in different fields who I'd worry about first before I worry about footballers - they might seem ridiculously rich, but in this system they're relatively harmless small fry. 

Say Messi or Ronaldo earn $100 million a year. They'd need to save up for 10 years, without any spending, just to become a billionaire. Then think that most footballers do not even get close to that. 

 

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The whole “health workers” argument dead heads bring out when bizarrely comparing the wages between football players and health workers never seems to take into account the upper % that earns the most money in that industry. It may we’ll be Doctor A that performs live saving treatment on a patient but then Nurse B, C, D, E, F etc are then earning a lot less to continue the patients after care. Is that fair? 

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On 12/02/2020 at 10:32, DeadLinesman said:

Also, I’m a health worker, so let’s stop the bollocks about giving me money I didn’t earn. People don’t pay £30-£100 a ticket to see me do my job. Sponsors don’t pay me to do my job. Why? Because I’m not in the entertainment business. Where’s the crusade against Hollywood actors earning millions per film? Premier League footballers and their counterparts in other countries are literally in the 0.0001% of their trade. It’s a specialism few can attain. 

In this case then, they should dock health workers..

 

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8 hours ago, Smiley Culture said:

The whole “health workers” argument dead heads bring out when bizarrely comparing the wages between football players and health workers never seems to take into account the upper % that earns the most money in that industry. It may we’ll be Doctor A that performs live saving treatment on a patient but then Nurse B, C, D, E, F etc are then earning a lot less to continue the patients after care. Is that fair? 

All far more important than footballers. Think we would agree on that, yet nurses among other vital professions get paid a pittance. The world is messed up, we idolise the wrong people.

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People will say "how is that fackin' donkey (insert footaller of your choice) earning more in a week than a nurse earns in a year?", but then when you ask them if they want to pay a few pounds of extra tax a year to give nurses a good wage they'll practically start foaming at the mouth. 

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10 minutes ago, Inverted said:

People will say "how is that fackin' donkey (insert footaller of your choice) earning more in a week than a nurse earns in a year?", but then when you ask them if they want to pay a few pounds of extra tax a year to give nurses a good wage they'll practically start foaming at the mouth. 

Spot on. And that footballer could retire and go train 4 years at university to become a nurse. The nurse can’t learn to become a professional footballer. It’s just a tired and easy argument to make. What about refuge collectors? Bus drivers? Where do we stop.

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11 hours ago, Toinho said:

All far more important than footballers. Think we would agree on that, yet nurses among other vital professions get paid a pittance. The world is messed up, we idolise the wrong people.

Can I see the league table of important workers please?

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I don't think you need to be able to sort out a list of comprehensively ordered jobs to give people pay rises. Nurses and bin men are both important jobs. But, being a nurse takes more training and they are also something we have a shortage of. They should both be paid a decent, liveable wage, but I don't think many would complain if nurses got a bit more.

I don't know how painfully obvious this already is on this site, but I'm of the opinion that most working people are paid less than they are owed, and don't very much like the outcomes that the free market presents us with.  

I'd be delighted to see footballers get taxed through their arses, and to see workers in essential services get big pay-rises. But most of the time when people bring up the whole nurses-footballers thing, they don't deep down really want anything meaningful to change.

They just want to make some ridiculous, extreme comparison for the sake of moralising and being outraged.

If you're outraged, then ok fine, there's a lot to be outraged over in the world. But it's pathetic if you'll cry about the poor nurses down the pub, and then you've not got the ethical consistency to make your outrage felt  in the street or at the ballot box. 

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3 hours ago, Smiley Culture said:

Can I see the league table of important workers please?

You think footballers are more important than those who save lives daily? That was my only point. No need to be a prick. 

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