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Went and watched it today. Have to say its very different and I feel like this might be the best representation of Gotham we've got in a Batman movie. I won't discuss anything else just to let others watch it first.

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10 hours ago, Tommy said:

Gonna watch it on Tuesday evening. First time in a Cinema since Dunkirk, I think. That's how eager I am to watch it. 

I do wanna watch it but I generally dont think I can go that long without a piss 😂

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23 hours ago, Mel81x said:

Went and watched it today. Have to say its very different and I feel like this might be the best representation of Gotham we've got in a Batman movie. I won't discuss anything else just to let others watch it first.

I always thought it would be hard to follow the dark knight trilogy. It will be interesting to see if they can produce a series of decent films as the previous trilogy did.  Apparently they may introduce some villains from the new comics I haven't even heard of. There was a mention of mr freeze being in it. I cant possibly see how it can be taken seriously at all if he is in it 

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15 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

I always thought it would be hard to follow the dark knight trilogy. It will be interesting to see if they can produce a series of decent films as the previous trilogy did.  Apparently they may introduce some villains from the new comics I haven't even heard of. There was a mention of mr freeze being in it. I cant possibly see how it can be taken seriously at all if he is in it 

Think the problem with Mr. Freeze's screen time in the DC movie universe is that he was in a Batman done as a parody (how it can be anything else I dont know). With the literature like White Knight, etc he's actually quite a sinister villain and not the poor rendition that Arnold did in that movie. 

As for the movie(s) that Reeves is going to try and make I think he's done a good job of the first movie. It follows a huge portion of The Long Halloween which imo is the best Batman cannon out there followed by Knightfall (aka Dark Knight Rises which was completely turned over by Nolan from the original work). They actually made a Batman movie that isn't focused on the villain's sole intention and actually has world-building in it which adds to all the good stuff that the original character is about (detective work/broken systems/not everything is a success). 

I don't know if anything will ever trump Dark Knight in terms of the elements that came together but I quite like Reeves version of Batman more than Nolan's because its more realistic and sets the tone right. 

I also like it when directors don't waste time on villain origins and spend more time showing the audience how twisted and broken they are. Not everyone needs to know where they came from or what their motivations are. Sometimes not having those elements makes for a good watch as is the case with Heath's Joker. 

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@Mel81x I think if you have a batman film that isn't meant to be taken to seriously there are loads of villains you can put in it. (Remember the egg man or something like that, he was in batman and robin) because they all can be adapted.  It's harder with certain villains like poison ivy, my freeze etc to be adapted for  more serious films. Doesnt mean it cant be done though. 

They have said the court of owls might be used in a future film. I've never heard of them but i read they are a criminal gang which could work well. Do you think the joker will be in a future film?

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1 minute ago, Gunnersauraus said:

@Mel81x I think if you have a batman film that isn't meant to be taken to seriously there are loads of villains you can put in it. (Remember the egg man or something like that, he was in batman and robin) because they all can be adapted.  It's harder with certain villains like poison ivy, my freeze etc to be adapted for  more serious films. Doesnt mean it cant be done though. 

They have said the court of owls might be used in a future film. I've never heard of them but i read they are a criminal gang which could work well. Do you think the joker will be in a future film?

Cant comment on that last statement till more folks watch the movie haha. 

I do think that villains like Ivy, Freeze, Killer Croc, etc can be used quite well in Batman movies. The problem Hollywood is has is that it needs to sign a star and that star wants screen-time and if you take someone like Mr. Freeze who could theoretically run a whole movie by himself it would still need supporting villains (where this started I am not a 100% sure but I'll go with Batman Returns) and that I think is where its all wrong. 

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37 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Will get stick for saying this but I don’t care. 

The Batman > The Dark Knight

Will post my thoughts tomorrow. 

Fully agreed. It was incredible. I too will post more thoughts tomorrow. 
 

But I just want to put on record that I want to marry Zoe Kravitz and have many many children with her and live happily ever after. 

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6 hours ago, Cicero said:

Will get stick for saying this but I don’t care. 

The Batman > The Dark Knight

Will post my thoughts tomorrow. 

Glad I am not the only one who sees this new Batman as something good.

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@Tommy I think there are two ways I can watch this film at the cinema. 1 is run like Usain bolt when it seems like not much is happening and have a quick piss.  

The other is I wear a giant nappy and have some spray with me to cover up the smell.  

Which do you think is best?

@CaaC (John) we need a meme from you. 

@MUFC tagging you because this is the kind of thing you like 

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4 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

@Tommy I think there are two ways I can watch this film at the cinema. 1 is run like Usain bolt when it seems like not much is happening and have a quick piss.  

The other is I wear a giant nappy and have some spray with me to cover up the smell.  

Which do you think is best?

@CaaC (John) we need a meme from you. 

@MUFC tagging you because this is the kind of thing you like 

I hope I never sit next to you on an airplane. I hate getting up on a plane. And some fucker always makes me get up because he can't hold it for 3-4 hours. 

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1 hour ago, Tommy said:

I hope I never sit next to you on an airplane. I hate getting up on a plane. And some fucker always makes me get up because he can't hold it for 3-4 hours. 

When I went from Manchester to Dubai. Direct flight, 7 hours. I went toilet once. Being honest I needed the toilet. Just that all the milfs were sat nearer to the toilets 🤣

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15 hours ago, Cicero said:

Will get stick for saying this but I don’t care. 

The Batman > The Dark Knight

Will post my thoughts tomorrow. 

 

14 hours ago, Rick said:

Fully agreed. It was incredible. I too will post more thoughts tomorrow. 
 

But I just want to put on record that I want to marry Zoe Kravitz and have many many children with her and live happily ever after. 

 

On 04/03/2022 at 10:32, Mel81x said:

Went and watched it today. Have to say its very different and I feel like this might be the best representation of Gotham we've got in a Batman movie. I won't discuss anything else just to let others watch it first.

Good signs.

The fact all three of you have given it such a glowing endorsement bodes well.

You've probably forced me to go see this earlier than I anticipated now for fear of potential spoilers.

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Right. So I went into this film with minor expectations. I expected it to be no greater than "good", or a decent interpretation of the franchise.

After seeing the film, I left the cinema feeling it to be a genuine masterpiece.

As @Mel81x suggested, this is arguably the best exposition of Batman and Gotham City. This in my opinion is the true version of Batman and its intended origin. It isn't a story. It's a narrative. All coming from the interpretation of "Bruce Wayne". Unlike Nolan and Burton's version of Bruce Wayne, this "Bruce Wayne" never explored the pain of losing his parents as a child. "Bruce Wayne" isn't some egotistical playboy billionaire. He's a man struggling with his inner demons and mental challenges of experiences that were deprived of him.  He never learned to develop his "Bruce Wayne" persona, which is why he is socially awkward as "Bruce Wayne". "Bruce Wayne" is his mask. His persona is vengeance and vengeance alone, which is why we hardly see "Bruce Wayne". What we do see, is his self discovery, change, and evolution, all against an antagonist who is the mirror image of "Bruce Wayne". It is utterly brilliant. 

Adding to the brilliant writing is the brilliant directing. A combination of film noir, darkness, and action. What Batman is supposed to be. Matt Reeves didn't just nail this, he went above and beyond. The first 10-20 minutes genuinely captured what Gotham City is supposed to be. My favorite aspect was how the Batman distress light isn't meant to be a call for help, but a warning call. When the criminals of Gotham were looking into the dark alley's fearing The Batman would be there, you felt their fear. When you saw the Penguin looking at The Batman approaching his wrecked car, you felt his fear. 

All in all, this is easily my favorite Batman film in the franchise and something I would call a masterpiece. 9.5/10. 

Seeing it again Tuesday. 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Cicero said:

 

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Right. So I went into this film with minor expectations. I expected the film be no greater than "good". A decent interpretation of the franchise. After seeing the film, I left the cinema feeling it to be genuine masterpiece.

As @Mel81x suggested, this is arguably the best interpretation of Batman and Gotham City. This in my opinion is the true version of Batman and its intended origin. It isn't a story. It's a narrative. All coming from the interpretation of "Bruce Wayne". Unlike Nolan and Burton's version of Bruce Wayne, this "Bruce Wayne" never explored the pain of losing his parents as a child. "Bruce Wayne" isn't some egotistical playboy billionaire, he's a man struggling with his inner demons and mental challenges of experiences that were deprived of him.  He never learned to develop his "Bruce Wayne" persona, which is why he is socially awkward as "Bruce Wayne". "Bruce Wayne" is his mask. His persona is vengeance and vengeance alone, which is why we hardly see "Bruce Wayne" . We see his self discovery, change, and evolution, all against an antagonist who is the mirror image of "Bruce Wayne". It is utterly brilliant. 

Adding to the brilliant writing is the brilliant directing. A combination of film noir, darkness, and action. What Batman is supposed to be. Matt Reeves didn't just nail this, he went above and beyond. The first 10-20 minutes genuinely captured what Gotham City is supposed to be. My favorite aspect was how the Batman distress light isn't meant to be a call for help, but a warning call. When the criminals of Gotham were looking into the dark alley's fearing The Batman would be there, you felt their fear. When you saw the Penguin looking at The Batman approaching his wrecked car, you felt his fear. 

All in all, this is easily my favorite Batman film in the franchise and something I would call a masterpiece. 9.5/10. 

Seeing it again Tuesday. 

 

 

 

 

 

Nailed everything I was going to say and more. 

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I won't add anything onto how Cicero described Reeve's interpretation of Batman other than to add that the prior movies have always focused on how smart Batman is in his ability to snuff out villains pretty easily. The reason The Dark Knight works so well is because the Joker is totally unpredictable and it totally ruins how Bruce goes about his crime fighting. With Pattinsons Batman you get the sense that he's making mistakes all the time and I for one love that. It lends itself very well to the story arc and shows you how Bruce is trying to still master his craft. I find this very similar to Casino Royale and how that Bond wasn't suave or had the mental tools to get things done. 

I do think the villain needed a bit more polishing considering its the Riddler but his integration into the story and weaving the twists that lead to the end was very good. The last 15 minutes of this movie were probably not required honestly but I suppose they needed to show Bruce changing his view on Vengeance which was the big driver of everything that came after.

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