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How odd. 

I can only imagine he's perhaps been told they won't keep him on if they get relegated so he doesn't wanna continue? 

Bizarre to do it now though and not give him a chance to save them anyway. 

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Crazy to do it with 2 games left, surely somethings happened behind the scenes to force this?

Watford used to be a fairly well run club

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1 minute ago, Danny said:

Crazy to do it with 2 games left, surely somethings happened behind the scenes to force this?

Watford used to be a fairly well run club

They've been a sacking club for a long time and it has worked out ok for them. But this is just strange  and very risky. I guess they perhaps think bournemouth and villa will go down and it doesn't matter 

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They're probably hoping for an instant new manager bounce given the two fixtures they've got left. Really not surprised though, seems like they sack managers for fun there.

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1 hour ago, LFCMike said:

They're probably hoping for an instant new manager bounce given the two fixtures they've got left. Really not surprised though, seems like they sack managers for fun there.

Probably this. 

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Anw, I'm not that into what's happening to Watford, but it seems like a club that wants to do more (that's what I take from they changing coaches like they are underwear) but never signs any ambitious coach at all. Just looking at Marco Silva, the cross show god, and Quique I get that feeling, 2 coaches I'm very familiar with and I don't like that much for how primitive their approaches are. To not to talk how they kinda looked like crap in their careers outside of one or another job they did.

Might be more than that and their season planning being absolute worthless, but I don't feel they manage the club properly at all.

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1 hour ago, Danny said:

Crazy to do it with 2 games left, surely somethings happened behind the scenes to force this?

Watford used to be a fairly well run club

Completely disagree with the last point. It's a statistical anomaly that they've managed to stay afloat so long when they have no philosophy other than sack the manager whenever things get tough.

When you do well over a sustained period of time with this strategy, it isn't being a well run club, it's just luck. Every new managerial change is a risk and their risks came off for them a number of times but this season it has caught up with them.

Watford are lucky to have Troy Deeney because he's the only player or manager they've had during this stint in the Premier League that actually provides them with any identity or character. Aside from that they're an utterly generic sacking club. Fair enough they've played some good football at times but they don't do anything for me. I'd much rather see them drop than Villa.

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Bizarre, anyone could see they looked a lot better with him and they still have a solid chance if they just pick up another point or 3. 

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1 hour ago, RandoEFC said:

Completely disagree with the last point. It's a statistical anomaly that they've managed to stay afloat so long when they have no philosophy other than sack the manager whenever things get tough.

When you do well over a sustained period of time with this strategy, it isn't being a well run club, it's just luck. Every new managerial change is a risk and their risks came off for them a number of times but this season it has caught up with them.

Watford are lucky to have Troy Deeney because he's the only player or manager they've had during this stint in the Premier League that actually provides them with any identity or character. Aside from that they're an utterly generic sacking club. Fair enough they've played some good football at times but they don't do anything for me. I'd much rather see them drop than Villa.

It’s clearly not luck, for a start they don’t have a manager they have a head coach. Clear difference in the knock on effect of losing a manager and losing a head coach.

Secondly the team has some solid personalities and Deeney as limited as he maybe on the ball is a brilliant captain. That’s forward thinking from whoever’s in charge of the long-term vision.

The issue with their coach hiring having a negative effect has clearly been this season as previously the new coach has been able to finish the season well

I know people don’t like their merry go round with the coaches and it goes against the footballing culture in this country but it’s clearly worked for them as a midtable club up until this season, especially with an FA Cup final last season. Whatever they’ve done has now has properly fucked it up for them but prior to this their speed in hiring and sacking hasn’t been a bad system for them 

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And they’ve only had 1 less manager than Everton have in the 5 years they’ve been up now, and let’s face it if Watford are a generic sacking club then so are Everton

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3 minutes ago, Danny said:

It’s clearly not luck, for a start they don’t have a manager they have a head coach. Clear difference in the knock on effect of losing a manager and losing a head coach.

Secondly the team has some solid personalities and Deeney as limited as he maybe on the ball is a brilliant captain. That’s forward thinking from whoever’s in charge of the long-term vision.

The issue with their coach hiring having a negative effect has clearly been this season as previously the new coach has been able to finish the season well

I know people don’t like their merry go round with the coaches and it goes against the footballing culture in this country but it’s clearly worked for them as a midtable club up until this season, especially with an FA Cup final last season. Whatever they’ve done has now has properly fucked it up for them but prior to this their speed in hiring and sacking hasn’t been a bad system for them 

It's a bit weird for stability for players though? Chopping and changing managers is never that sustainable even if it does appear to 'work'.

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Just now, Stan said:

It's a bit weird for stability for players though? Chopping and changing managers is never that sustainable even if it does appear to 'work'.

It might well be weird but Watford clearly have a way of playing, set by a director of football. The idea of the head coach is that you can remove one and put another in with little upheaval and in fairness to Watford their performances have been no worse than other clubs at a similar level to them with longer term managers

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You know you’re bored and hungover on a Sunday when you’re arguing about Watford xD

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26 minutes ago, Danny said:

It’s clearly not luck, for a start they don’t have a manager they have a head coach. Clear difference in the knock on effect of losing a manager and losing a head coach.

Secondly the team has some solid personalities and Deeney as limited as he maybe on the ball is a brilliant captain. That’s forward thinking from whoever’s in charge of the long-term vision.

The issue with their coach hiring having a negative effect has clearly been this season as previously the new coach has been able to finish the season well

I know people don’t like their merry go round with the coaches and it goes against the footballing culture in this country but it’s clearly worked for them as a midtable club up until this season, especially with an FA Cup final last season. Whatever they’ve done has now has properly fucked it up for them but prior to this their speed in hiring and sacking hasn’t been a bad system for them 

It is luck. If you change your manager or head coach or whatever you want to call them, the guy that coaches the players, chooses the lineups and tactics, as constantly as Watford do then eventually you're going to make a couple of bad appointments in a row and this is going to happen to them. Their philosophy of changing head coach all the time relies on them getting appointments right and any appointment or signing in football, no matter how well you scout and do your research, comes with an element of risk or luck. They've shown some skill in some of their appointments but overall they mostly just go for mid-table Spanish and Portuguese managers that nobody's ever heard of, all the British pundits and fans think that they've turned water into wine when they're 7th in November and then go quiet when they lose a few games, sack their manager, end up 14th after a brief relegation scare and then sack whoever's in charge when the season finishes.

They don't invest in any sort of long-term project, I just don't find the way they do things particularly impressive and I can't see how any other football club can look at them and think it's a good model. 

30 minutes ago, Danny said:

And they’ve only had 1 less manager than Everton have in the 5 years they’ve been up now, and let’s face it if Watford are a generic sacking club then so are Everton

I'm not arsed enough about this to look it up but I really don't see how this can be correct. It's nicely worded to make it potentially provable because it allows you to overlook that one of their managers has been sacked not once but twice and possibly allows you to count Unsworth and Ferguson too. Everton have sacked four managers (Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva) since Moyes left seven years ago. Watford have sacked three managers this season alone. I also don't see what Everton have to do with Watford, but yes, there is a risk of us becoming a generic sacking club if we keep making shite managerial appointments but it's unlikely that things will go that way with Ancelotti. We're ridiculous though so can't rule it out.

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47 minutes ago, Danny said:

And they’ve only had 1 less manager than Everton have in the 5 years they’ve been up now, and let’s face it if Watford are a generic sacking club then so are Everton

 

6 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

I'm not arsed enough about this to look it up but I really don't see how this can be correct. It's nicely worded to make it potentially provable because it allows you to overlook that one of their managers has been sacked not once but twice and possibly allows you to count Unsworth and Ferguson too. Everton have sacked four managers (Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva) since Moyes left seven years ago. Watford have sacked three managers this season alone. I also don't see what Everton have to do with Watford, but yes, there is a risk of us becoming a generic sacking club if we keep making shite managerial appointments but it's unlikely that things will go that way with Ancelotti. We're ridiculous though so can't rule it out.

I looked it up cos I'm sad enough to do so.

Watford (7, not including caretakers)

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Everton (5, not including interim managers). 
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Well if we're allowed to choose our own arbitrary time frames then Everton have only sacked four managers since 2004 which is an average of one sacking every four seasons which, according to the latest scientific research is less than three sackings in one season. :coffee:

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7 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Well if we're allowed to choose our own arbitrary time frames then Everton have only sacked four managers since 2004 which is an average of one sacking every four seasons which, according to the latest scientific research is less than three sackings in one season. :coffee:

I did it for 5 years as Danny said? So included any manager from 2015...

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4 minutes ago, Stan said:

I did it for 5 years as Danny said? So included any manager from 2015...

I'm messing around mate. I do understand that the last five years is a perfectly reasonable timeframe for comparison seeing as it covers Watford's time in the top flight and almost exactly covers the timespan of Moshiri taking over at Everton.

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1 hour ago, RandoEFC said:

It is luck. If you change your manager or head coach or whatever you want to call them, the guy that coaches the players, chooses the lineups and tactics, as constantly as Watford do then eventually you're going to make a couple of bad appointments in a row and this is going to happen to them. Their philosophy of changing head coach all the time relies on them getting appointments right and any appointment or signing in football, no matter how well you scout and do your research, comes with an element of risk or luck. They've shown some skill in some of their appointments but overall they mostly just go for mid-table Spanish and Portuguese managers that nobody's ever heard of, all the British pundits and fans think that they've turned water into wine when they're 7th in November and then go quiet when they lose a few games, sack their manager, end up 14th after a brief relegation scare and then sack whoever's in charge when the season finishes.

They don't invest in any sort of long-term project, I just don't find the way they do things particularly impressive and I can't see how any other football club can look at them and think it's a good model. 

I'm not arsed enough about this to look it up but I really don't see how this can be correct. It's nicely worded to make it potentially provable because it allows you to overlook that one of their managers has been sacked not once but twice and possibly allows you to count Unsworth and Ferguson too. Everton have sacked four managers (Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva) since Moyes left seven years ago. Watford have sacked three managers this season alone. I also don't see what Everton have to do with Watford, but yes, there is a risk of us becoming a generic sacking club if we keep making shite managerial appointments but it's unlikely that things will go that way with Ancelotti. We're ridiculous though so can't rule it out.

Luck doesn’t cover a 4 year period mate, it was something that clearly worked for them regardless of how you want to spin it now. They secured themselves as a midtable/lower midtable side that was never really in danger of going down.

I only mentioned Everton because they’re a club like Watford who offer little entertainment value to the league

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1 hour ago, Stan said:

 

I looked it up cos I'm sad enough to do so.

Watford (7, not including caretakers)

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Everton (5, not including interim managers). 
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If you’re going Premier League Watford it’s 6, but yeah 7 with Jokanović who got them up

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5 minutes ago, Danny said:

Luck doesn’t cover a 4 year period mate, it was something that clearly worked for them regardless of how you want to spin it now. They secured themselves as a midtable/lower midtable side that was never really in danger of going down.

I only mentioned Everton because they’re a club like Watford who offer little entertainment value to the league

I completely disagree. Any club that chops and changes like that always get a certain level of success for a while and then inevitably implode. Stoke, Burnley, Bournemouth are all examples of clubs who chose an actual philosophy to stick to and a manager that could build a Premier League team and enjoyed equal or better success as Watford over an equal or longer amount of time. Most other clubs that rely on constant new manager bounces instead of building an actually capable team are lucky to last more than two years. Watford are an exception because they managed to make decent short-term appointments enough times to fend it off, and their recruitment has been above average for the most part.

As for the Everton digs, I've admitted our faults in my previous post but anyone who needs to have it explained to them that there would be a difference between Everton getting relegated and a random yo-yo club like Watford getting relegated isn't really worth debating. Just because we've been shite and boring for a few years doesn't make us Watford because as a football club Everton actually has something about it, like Newcastle does, and Leeds, and West Ham. We've "celebrated" some embarrassing shite in our time like being the first football club to install sprinklers on our football pitch but the thing that Watford are most famous for is Elton John supporting them ffs.

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Pearson would have been on a massive bonus to keep Watford up. The owners probably thought job was done (but not officially), and got rid. Saves them a few bob.

Hate Watford anyway, hope to god they either go down or go bankrupt. 

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7 minutes ago, CityTheBest said:

A bit cruel for Pearson but it was neccessary. Watford have been in stonking form under him, only good match they've played was the 3-1 against Liverpool.

6 points from the last 3 games :what:

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