American Politics Discussion

[Devil-Dick Willie]

It's so funny, because the libs stacked the ABC (our public broadcaster) with its Sky cronies, and then they defunded it. But because it still has to meet a criteria of acceptable reporting standards, all Australia's right wingers hate it and call it a leftie platform hahahaha.

[Viva la FCB+]

It gets better. Not only did Fox not air the Jan 6 Hearings they elected not to play any ads for the first hour of tucker fuckface's show during the hearing  I caught a good chunk of the hearing when Cheney started out. Fantastic how they are laying it all out,; splicing in clips of audio and video testimony and direct quotes and tweets and directly pointing and linking it all straight to trump. 

Edited June 10, 2022 by Viva la FCB

[Viva la FCB+]

22 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

MSNBC and CNN are part of the establishment,  its state owned media and testament to the death of legacy media and journalistic integrity.   Chris Hayes spends all day talking about Fox and "misinformation",  while pushing misinformation and general message of tearing down america.  

I much prefer the smaller media outlets,  the same ones that MSNBC want laws to prevent them from operating.    America is descending into Venezuela levels,  government run technocracy that keeps those in the pocket and people like Hayes whose tongue is so far up his masters arsehole you would think he is a dog employed.   

The latest agenda on MSNBC was that wealthy "republicans" ousted Chesa Boudin,  yet the only demographic that voted for him was the sycophant white liberals who live large in the hush kush bay area.    Crime in the Bay was spiraling to the point that the "minorities" that Chesa swore to be acting in the interest of,  just had enough. 

You can dislike Hayes if you want, Im not big on MSNBC really either but what hes laying with historical events is fact you cannot argue that, you can fact check that if you like. You're dear beloved Fox News is the most partisan garbage network that has ever existed in the US all licking dear fearless failure the orange orangutans asshole constantly. What Hayes says about Fox calling Arizona for Biden first is fact, they then tried to pivot away from the orange shit stain and report actual news. Their viewership tanked accordingly and Newsmax overtook them for a period of time. What did they do? pivoted again and doubled and tripled down on the big lie garbage and went right back to spreading bullshit as it makes them all rich af. 

Go watch the Jan 6 hearings it will lay out your beloved Fox hosts getting directly involved and guess what? it also shows they have the complete opposite outlook as they portray on TV shocking I know. The hearings need to be seen by people like you specifically. 

 

Edited June 10, 2022 by Viva la FCB

[OrangeKhrush]

3 hours ago, Viva la FCB said:

You can dislike Hayes if you want, Im not big on MSNBC really either but what hes laying with historical events is fact you cannot argue that, you can fact check that if you like. You're dear beloved Fox News is the most partisan garbage network that has ever existed in the US all licking dear fearless failure the orange orangutans asshole constantly. What Hayes says about Fox calling Arizona for Biden first is fact, they then tried to pivot away from the orange shit stain and report actual news. Their viewership tanked accordingly and Newsmax overtook them for a period of time. What did they do? pivoted again and doubled and tripled down on the big lie garbage and went right back to spreading bullshit as it makes them all rich af. 

Go watch the Jan 6 hearings it will lay out your beloved Fox hosts getting directly involved and guess what? it also shows they have the complete opposite outlook as they portray on TV shocking I know. The hearings need to be seen by people like you specifically. 

 

The fact that trials get aired is purely a political smear attempt.  Trying to brush people who partook in that as being all conservatives.  I also shows how legacy media is just an extension of a political party.  They do this for any smear attempt.  They did it for Chauvin, they did it for Rittenhouse but you will never see it for anything that can damage their narrative. 

Jan 6 was compared to 911,  that is how devoid of reality the Democrat party has become,  if a few hundred people can go for a walk along in parliament being likened to a threat against the US that resulted in 4000 lives lost.   America is so far from reality that Conservatives are called to be extinguished on left leaning media and branded as "domestic terrorist" while America gives nukes to Jihadists that hate everything about America. 

This is another desperate attempt to save Biden's catastrophic failure by attempting to lie to americans again,  russiagate, somethingate,  the chances are it is again falsified information or it would have gone to trial already. 

Edited June 10, 2022 by OrangeKhrush

[Spike]

18 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

It's so funny, because the libs stacked the ABC (our public broadcaster) with its Sky cronies, and then they defunded it. But because it still has to meet a criteria of acceptable reporting standards, all Australia's right wingers hate it and call it a leftie platform hahahaha.

I was talking to an old girl and she was saying that ABC is too leftwing for her even though she hates the Libs. I tried explaining it isn't and why it isn't but she wouldn't have it, that night Ann Sales or whatever the fuck on the 7:30 Report gave the worst interview of the year to Albanese. The questions were irrelevant and accusatory in nature.

Fuck me dead it is ran by Ita Butrrose for fucks sake

[Viva la FCB+]

2 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

The fact that trials get aired is purely a political smear attempt.  Trying to brush people who partook in that as being all conservatives.  I also shows how legacy media is just an extension of a political party.  They do this for any smear attempt.  They did it for Chauvin, they did it for Rittenhouse but you will never see it for anything that can damage their narrative. 

Jan 6 was compared to 911,  that is how devoid of reality the Democrat party has become,  if a few hundred people can go for a walk along in parliament being likened to a threat against the US that resulted in 4000 lives lost.   America is so far from reality that Conservatives are called to be extinguished on left leaning media and branded as "domestic terrorist" while America gives nukes to Jihadists that hate everything about America. 

This is another desperate attempt to save Biden's catastrophic failure by attempting to lie to americans again,  russiagate, somethingate,  the chances are it is again falsified information or it would have gone to trial already. 

A coup attempt as brazen and baseless as ever with a violent attack on the capital building in an attempt to subvert the peaceful transfer of power and subvert democracy is a political smear attempt? thats how far gone you really are bud. I guess Fox told you it was compared to 911  If you want facts watch the hearing. Its there for people like you that dont like facts, like to ignore facts and watch Fox News where there are no facts, only opinions disguised as such. You can keep on living in a different world and Im sure nothing can be said to pull your head out of the sand you've buried it in but I wish you luck. 

This is part of the bigger problem where it seems facts matter less and less everyday. Fox shares its part in all this, The orangutan himself is guilty of this. Just keep lieing and spreading bullshit on a daily and hourly basis and the fact checkers cant keep up, theyve already moved onto the next outlandish baseless claim. Fox and the retrumplicans are great at distraction tactics. When confronted with facts they point look over there, look at this etc it doesnt change any facts but it distracts and thats all that matters. You did it exactly like that with the Chris Hayes clip for example. You cannot refute anything he said because its fact based, what do you do? you attack him and his integrity or you attack MSNBC and or both because thats what your accustom to. In reality that has 0 bearing on the facts he brings forward but its instantly dismissed. "Fake news" was a genious blanket phrase used by the orangatuan much like his campaign slogan even though theres 0 fact based in either his base lapped that shit up.

Edited June 10, 2022 by Viva la FCB

[Spike]

1 hour ago, Viva la FCB said:

A coup attempt as brazen and baseless as ever with a violent attack on the capital building in an attempt to subvert the peaceful transfer of power and subvert democracy is a political smear attempt? thats how far gone you really are bud. I guess Fox told you it was compared to 911  If you want facts watch the hearing. Its there for people like you that dont like facts, like to ignore facts and watch Fox News where there are no facts, only opinions disguised as such. You can keep on living in a different world and Im sure nothing can be said to pull your head out of the sand you've buried it in but I wish you luck. 

This is part of the bigger problem where it seems facts matter less and less everyday. Fox shares its part in all this, The orangutan himself is guilty of this. Just keep lieing and spreading bullshit on a daily and hourly basis and the fact checkers cant keep up, theyve already moved onto the next outlandish baseless claim. Fox and the retrumplicans are great at distraction tactics. When confronted with facts they point look over there, look at this etc it doesnt change any facts but it distracts and thats all that matters. You did it exactly like that with the Chris Hayes clip for example. You cannot refute anything he said because its fact based, what do you do? you attack him and his integrity or you attack MSNBC and or both because thats what your accustom to. In reality that has 0 bearing on the facts he brings forward but its instantly dismissed. "Fake news" was a genious blanket phrase used by the orangatuan much like his campaign slogan even though theres 0 fact based in either his base lapped that shit up.

He hit him with the Canadian haymaker he called him 'bud'. No recovery from that

[Viva la FCB+]

22 minutes ago, Spike said:

He hit him with the Canadian haymaker he called him 'bud'. No recovery from that

Full stop. Having to pull that one out means we arent friends, pal. Goddamn that was pretty unintentionally Canadian wasnt it 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

I haven't seen a mention of old Elon Musks little smokescreen 

He sexually harasses someone. 

Then he finds out that information is about to be published 

"HeY gUYs Im A rePuBLicAN NOw, THe leFt WiLL PrObaBlY TargEt Me wiTH DisInFORmaTion sOoN"

[Spike]

4 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

I haven't seen a mention of old Elon Musks little smokescreen 

He sexually harasses someone. 

Then he finds out that information is about to be published 

"HeY gUYs Im A rePuBLicAN NOw, THe leFt WiLL PrObaBlY TargEt Me wiTH DisInFORmaTion sOoN"

I like the theory he was very left till he couldn't handle Grimes’ ahit anymore

[Beelzebub]

[OrangeKhrush]

i suppose it was entertaining in a documentary presidential cry for help sort of way but the enquiry was a bunch of democrats and Liz Cheney.   

The Senate found nothing so now while the democrats hold the house they push this as a "please vote for is". 

if this was a threat to democracy and a few people could threaten a coup to topple the American government, then why has it not persisted?  if they were so so so very close why did they not return with armed militia to finish it, if that is how easy it is?

so anyways it looked like a Disney production, that testimony from a female cop that was knocked out but talks about slipping in pools of blood yet no photos confirmed it and most DC officers that day sustained no injuries.   One officer died from a heart attack but the BLM riots saw 27 police officers killed and over 100s wounded.

then we also have to wonder if they have evidence to indict Trump and other why not go to the Supreme Court?  a fair trial is premised on Audi Alteram Partum principles that both parties can state their case, what we saw was a desperate attempt to deflect Americans from the real problem, the democrat party.   in polls 70% didn't care about 6 Jan and 89% are deeply concerned about American economy and the government. 

while fox showed a supreme court judge assassination failed attempt which is (undemocratic) or the threat that in less than 60 days america may be entering its biggest economic shrinkage since the 20's which will guaranteed result in a state of lawlessness and violance, liberal media showed a circus of coached testismonies that again prove fick all, and Fox still managed more viewers than all liberal media combined.

we all know what is happening, the democrats are in major shit so they are playing the man and not the ball as it were and how sweet it will be for them to lose the Senate and maybe even the house.

Salaries: 5.2%

inflation: 9%

lol

 

[OrangeKhrush]

www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-buries-nyt-burying-kavanaugh-assassination-attempt-wear-bias-sleeves

 

cancel bill Maher they scream now.   Bill Maher a old school democrat with basic liberal values who has urged the left to stop pigeon hole politics is now being called out as a right wing conspirator lol.

Apparently 6 Jan is the worst thing to happen. when techno Viking walked the halls of parliament

 

 

[Reluctant Striker]

The other day I stumbled on an article on a Bill Clinton podcast he did with Tony Blair. An American Democrat President & British Prime Minister of the 90's, that both suffered somewhat tarnished reputations.

They did apparently touch on the modern day being best advised to explain clearly why they think their alternative is better for people. Why people should not vote for what they may be entitled to, if that is what they really want. But put more focus & emphasis on why the alternate is better. Rather than what they were perceiving to be a bit preachy & often losing the open middle ground. The essential middle ground as one of them put it.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Reluctant Striker

[OrangeKhrush]

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The AK like all Russian guns has that character about them that you don't get from AR systems.   Modern AK systems have advanced, but I like this one.   Modern ported hand guard with extended rails allow for good accessory support while still staying true to the look of the AK.   

 

 

[Viva la FCB+]

On 11/06/2022 at 03:50, OrangeKhrush said:

www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-buries-nyt-burying-kavanaugh-assassination-attempt-wear-bias-sleeves

 

cancel bill Maher they scream now.   Bill Maher a old school democrat with basic liberal values who has urged the left to stop pigeon hole politics is now being called out as a right wing conspirator lol.

Apparently 6 Jan is the worst thing to happen. when techno Viking walked the halls of parliament

 

 

If you like Bill Maher you should watch he has to say about Jan 6 and your beloved Trump.

Edited June 13, 2022 by Viva la FCB

[Cicero]

Bill Maher is as neutral as you could possibly get. 

He's against a lot of popular left wing movements so I will disagree to notion he has basic liberal views. 

Edited June 13, 2022 by Cicero

[Viva la FCB+]

1 hour ago, Cicero said:

Bill Maher is as neutral as you could possibly get. 

He's against a lot of popular left wing movements so I will disagree to notion he has basic liberal views. 

Hes generally pretty spot on with his criticisms of the left. Basic liberal views is actually kind of funny.

[Harry]

On 11/06/2022 at 18:30, OrangeKhrush said:

i suppose it was entertaining in a documentary presidential cry for help sort of way but the enquiry was a bunch of democrats and Liz Cheney.   

The Senate found nothing so now while the democrats hold the house they push this as a "please vote for is". 

if this was a threat to democracy and a few people could threaten a coup to topple the American government, then why has it not persisted?  if they were so so so very close why did they not return with armed militia to finish it, if that is how easy it is?

so anyways it looked like a Disney production, that testimony from a female cop that was knocked out but talks about slipping in pools of blood yet no photos confirmed it and most DC officers that day sustained no injuries.   One officer died from a heart attack but the BLM riots saw 27 police officers killed and over 100s wounded.

then we also have to wonder if they have evidence to indict Trump and other why not go to the Supreme Court?  a fair trial is premised on Audi Alteram Partum principles that both parties can state their case, what we saw was a desperate attempt to deflect Americans from the real problem, the democrat party.   in polls 70% didn't care about 6 Jan and 89% are deeply concerned about American economy and the government. 

while fox showed a supreme court judge assassination failed attempt which is (undemocratic) or the threat that in less than 60 days america may be entering its biggest economic shrinkage since the 20's which will guaranteed result in a state of lawlessness and violance, liberal media showed a circus of coached testismonies that again prove fick all, and Fox still managed more viewers than all liberal media combined.

we all know what is happening, the democrats are in major shit so they are playing the man and not the ball as it were and how sweet it will be for them to lose the Senate and maybe even the house.

Salaries: 5.2%

inflation: 9%

lol

 

The main reason this is being televised is to prepare the public for charges being laid.

[OrangeKhrush]

3 hours ago, Harry said:

The main reason this is being televised is to prepare the public for charges being laid.

faux inquiry to prepare the public for trial, sounds pointless.   if you believe you have any evidence then go ahead.   this was purely electioneering tactics amidst extremely poor performance by the Dems.   All of Biden's promises have failed hard including the most important one, unifying people.   he has been more divisive than any president in US history a least the last century.

America's got serious issues and it seems like only pathetic things are being addressed, which ironically is alienating voters away from Biden.   

[Dr. Gonzo]

23 hours ago, Cicero said:

Bill Maher is as neutral as you could possibly get. 

He's against a lot of popular left wing movements so I will disagree to notion he has basic liberal views. 

Yeah but tbf the guy who said that on here has an out of touch idea of US politics that’s probably based off what he learned on 4chan or 8chan

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think this is one of the more interesting US political scandals that's sort of getting buried right now under the headlines of the government response to the tanking economy & the hearings over the January 6th coup attempt...

But not even Fox News could ignore it, they've got the coverage up on their website: https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-identify-more-than-30-men-arrested-u-haul-patriot-front

It's another of those far-right militia groups that's popped up all over the US over the last 5 years... and this time it's one I'd never heard of before called Patriot Front. But it fits the profile of many other of these far-right agitations, fortunately it was foiled before they could cause chaos at the gay pride event they were planning on fucking up.

It's just further evidence though that the emergence of all of these white nationalist groups taking it upon themselves to physically fight the culture wars the media and politicians have fostered in the US over the past few years is really not under control at all.

Sadly, Fox really is doing all it can to ignore the hearings over the Jan 6th coup attempt. Even though one of the leaders of the hearings is a hardcore republican (who they're now trying to call a left-leaning politician, which is quite frankly... hilarious) and the video evidence submitted of statements from members of Trump's inner circle have been particularly compelling and damning (especially Bill Barr's testimony). But it's not surprising as the news has come out that Trump's "Fraud Defense Fund" was simply bullshit to collect donations from people... and Fox was doing it's part to spread awareness and support for said fund. They were in on the grift and were okay if the end result would have been a democratic election being overturned.

And I don't understand why some people think this should be unpunished even though the coup attempt was unsuccessful. They've got to go after the ringleaders to make an example of them otherwise people smarter and more competent than Trump will modify the playbook and eventually have a much more successful attempt at subverting the will of the voters. It seems strange that people so proud of their democracy can be so complacent to defend it.

[Viva la FCB+]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think this is one of the more interesting US political scandals that's sort of getting buried right now under the headlines of the government response to the tanking economy & the hearings over the January 6th coup attempt...

But not even Fox News could ignore it, they've got the coverage up on their website: https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-identify-more-than-30-men-arrested-u-haul-patriot-front

It's another of those far-right militia groups that's popped up all over the US over the last 5 years... and this time it's one I'd never heard of before called Patriot Front. But it fits the profile of many other of these far-right agitations, fortunately it was foiled before they could cause chaos at the gay pride event they were planning on fucking up.

It's just further evidence though that the emergence of all of these white nationalist groups taking it upon themselves to physically fight the culture wars the media and politicians have fostered in the US over the past few years is really not under control at all.

Sadly, Fox really is doing all it can to ignore the hearings over the Jan 6th coup attempt. Even though one of the leaders of the hearings is a hardcore republican (who they're now trying to call a left-leaning politician, which is quite frankly... hilarious) and the video evidence submitted of statements from members of Trump's inner circle have been particularly compelling and damning (especially Bill Barr's testimony). But it's not surprising as the news has come out that Trump's "Fraud Defense Fund" was simply bullshit to collect donations from people... and Fox was doing it's part to spread awareness and support for said fund. They were in on the grift and were okay if the end result would have been a democratic election being overturned.

And I don't understand why some people think this should be unpunished even though the coup attempt was unsuccessful. They've got to go after the ringleaders to make an example of them otherwise people smarter and more competent than Trump will modify the playbook and eventually have a much more successful attempt at subverting the will of the voters. It seems strange that people so proud of their democracy can be so complacent to defend it.

Its a tough position for the DOJ. Its absolutely partisan to not prosecute based on the evidence weve even seen so far but Im afraid it could legitimately lead to a civil war of sorts. Maybe going after him over the fraud for collecting all the some odd 250m in campaign funds that was for "litigation" where they could not longer even litigate. But again thats linked to all these far right militia groups you mention they sure existed before but its united alot of these people under trump and given them a voice and cause, its scary stuff. 

The Cheney stuff is hilarious. Its much like Kingzinger as well, they are through and through conservatives to the core, they and the seemingly small less vocal minority of others represent the old GOP and what the party used to be. Personally I disagreed with nearly all of Cheneys politics but that doesnt even matter anymore its just too funny what their trying to paint her as in the party and on Fox and alike. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just now, Viva la FCB said:

Its a tough position for the DOJ. Its absolutely partisan to not prosecute based on the evidence weve even seen so far but Im afraid it could legitimately lead to a civil war of sorts. Maybe going after him over the fraud for collecting all the some odd 250m in campaign funds that was for "litigation" where they could not longer even litigate. But again thats linked to all these far right militia groups you mention they sure existed before but its united alot of these people under trump and given them a voice and cause, its scary stuff. 

The Cheney stuff is hilarious. Its much like Kingzinger as well, they are through and through conservatives to the core, they and the seemingly small less vocal minority of others represent the old GOP and what the party used to be. Personally I disagreed with nearly all of Cheneys politics but that doesnt even matter anymore its just too funny what their trying to paint her as in the party and on Fox and alike. 

I don't think it's that tough of a position for the DOJ. I think for far too long the DOJ has just acted as part of the executive and often makes decisions in line with "what gives the executive branch... the president... the most amount of power?"

If there is a serious risk of civil war, that's why the US has it's national guard part of the military - isn't it? Part of the biggest issue with January 6th is while there was plenty of evidence of the risk of what happened, it seemed like there wasn't really adequate planning in the face of that known risk.

At this point with January 6th they don't just have evidence against the political figures that played their part in coordinating what happened, they've got evidence against leaders of these militia groups - charge and arrest them in conjunction with any political figures implicated in January 6th & have the appropriate officials in every state ready to respond to potential threats of violence from these militias.

These people are still a fringe minority and many people would be less likely to join people like this if they know there will be serious consequences to their actions.

I think it's a much tougher decision for the DOJ to not prosecute. It shows that people connected with the rich and powerful can get away with anything, even attempts to overturn elections. I think for a lot of the country, it would just underscore the fact that the justice system in the country is a joke and that the ultra-wealthy and well-connected.

And it should not be a partisan issue. The DOJ holding that a sitting president is within his rights to overturn the will of the voters is an awful precedent to set - regardless of whatever political affiliations anyone might have. It should scare republicans as much as it scares democrats that the department of justice could turn a blind eye to abuses of the president that degrade democracy - because the precedent set isn't one that would just apply to republicans.

Republicans should be wanting the DOJ to do something because theoretically it gives Biden (and any other democrats) carte blanche to do the same thing Trump did. And with the midterm elections coming up, perhaps telling them the DOJ could give Biden the power to try to overturn the results in November might light a fire under their arses to actually look out for their country instead of being afraid of how their voters might feel for a few months.

[Viva la FCB+]

19 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't think it's that tough of a position for the DOJ. I think for far too long the DOJ has just acted as part of the executive and often makes decisions in line with "what gives the executive branch... the president... the most amount of power?"

If there is a serious risk of civil war, that's why the US has it's national guard part of the military - isn't it? Part of the biggest issue with January 6th is while there was plenty of evidence of the risk of what happened, it seemed like there wasn't really adequate planning in the face of that known risk.

At this point with January 6th they don't just have evidence against the political figures that played their part in coordinating what happened, they've got evidence against leaders of these militia groups - charge and arrest them in conjunction with any political figures implicated in January 6th & have the appropriate officials in every state ready to respond to potential threats of violence from these militias.

These people are still a fringe minority and many people would be less likely to join people like this if they know there will be serious consequences to their actions.

I think it's a much tougher decision for the DOJ to not prosecute. It shows that people connected with the rich and powerful can get away with anything, even attempts to overturn elections. I think for a lot of the country, it would just underscore the fact that the justice system in the country is a joke and that the ultra-wealthy and well-connected.

And it should not be a partisan issue. The DOJ holding that a sitting president is within his rights to overturn the will of the voters is an awful precedent to set - regardless of whatever political affiliations anyone might have. It should scare republicans as much as it scares democrats that the department of justice could turn a blind eye to abuses of the president that degrade democracy - because the precedent set isn't one that would just apply to republicans.

Republicans should be wanting the DOJ to do something because theoretically it gives Biden (and any other democrats) carte blanche to do the same thing Trump did. And with the midterm elections coming up, perhaps telling them the DOJ could give Biden the power to try to overturn the results in November might light a fire under their arses to actually look out for their country instead of being afraid of how their voters might feel for a few months.

I agree completely and thats exactly how it should be. Thats part of what Im afraid of though this is such a contentious issue and it absolutely should not be but the fact that the DOJ has done nothing so far already worries me to some degree. Now what should happen is Garland should be replaced if he tries to sit on his hands when this is all said and done. None of this shit should have happend and I hope youre right. Apparently 20 million people in the states tuned into the first hearing so hopefully that resonates somewhat as well. 

I will say so far how theyve set up the first two hearings has been nearly perfect. The second day showing interviews with Trumps inner circle is just perfect, they have 0 validity in painting this as partisan when its his own people's testimony and bringing forth the campaign stuff based on the lie painting him as the grifter he truely always has been is fantastic. Bill Barr was basically the most loyal of loyalists for the sack of skin and watching his testimony makes me giddy.