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4 hours ago, Waylander said:

I agree with corruption in US politics.

I agree on previous US policy in the Middle East.

I know Trump has used chapter 5 bankruptcy several times in his business past though not aware of any corruption say like Watergate while he was in office. Was there any?

I mean there’s the whole calling Georgia’s elected officials and trying to get them to change election results - that’s probably the closest to Watergate in terms of pure illegality with political purpose.

But most of his corruption was in funneling taxpayer money to properties he owned. Think it was something like $70m of taxpayer money going to him

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20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I mean there’s the whole calling Georgia’s elected officials and trying to get them to change election results - that’s probably the closest to Watergate in terms of pure illegality with political purpose.

But most of his corruption was in funneling taxpayer money to properties he owned. Think it was something like $70m of taxpayer money going to him

It was a strange election with a lot of claims and some results that in other elections would have got a lot of Republican candidates elected, though not this one.

There was also that embarassing vote in one of the Northern states perhaps Wisonsin where the result was overturned due to machine tabling error. The Republican candidate was shocked they got it wrong and went on camera saying this was the 21st Century how could this go wrong in America, (wonder what the Dem candidate felt too after being overturned). This was early in the election.

With the money surely if that amount of money was going to Trump someone would have outed it, they were not slow with Russian claims, or were his companies providing 'services' so it was over charging?

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Waylander said:

It was a strange election with a lot of claims and some results that in other elections would have got a lot of Republican candidates elected, though not this one.

There was also that embarassing vote in one of the Northern states perhaps Wisonsin where the result was overturned due to machine tabling error. The Republican candidate was shocked they got it wrong and went on camera saying this was the 21st Century how could this go wrong in America, (wonder what the Dem candidate felt too after being overturned). This was early in the election.

With the money surely if that amount of money was going to Trump someone would have outed it, they were not slow with Russian claims, or were his companies providing 'services' so it was over charging?

 

 

I think it was referred to an ethics board for review in January, but since then I haven’t heard anyone talk about it. But it was the second one - charging higher rates for the secret service that had to follow him around to his properties.

The Russian claims are weird because the story kept changing, and the Mueller report - if you read the whole thing in full - says that some weird coordination probably did happen, but he could not recommend further action against a president.

This paragraph from the wiki of it explains why the Mueller report is at least a bit troubling:

“Volume II of the report addresses obstruction of justice. The investigation intentionally took an approach that could not result in a judgment that Trump committed a crime. This decision was based on an Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion that a sitting president is immune from criminal prosecution, and Mueller's belief that it would be unfair to accuse the president of a crime even without charging him because he would have no opportunity to clear his name in court; furthermore it would undermine Trump's ability to govern and preempt impeachment. As such, the investigation "does not conclude that the President committed a crime"; however, "it also does not exonerate him", with investigators not confident of Trump's innocence. The report describes ten episodes where Trump may have obstructed justice while president and one before he was elected,noting that he privately tried to "control the investigation". The report further states that Congress can decide whether Trump obstructed justice and take action accordingly,referencing impeachment.”

(from here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report)

And it was weird seeing a US president say so much that sort of looked like what you’d see in opinion articles on RT xD

Honestly though in 2021… the US & Western world talks a big talk on human rights, corruption, and law and order - but are keen to hop into bed with the Saudis and keen to keep strong business ties with China… I do think there’s maybe a case for western countries trying to change countries through diplomacy and influence through closer ties.

But I dunno if I’d make that case for Putin’s Russia. They just seem belligerent - even ignoring any claims of election interference anywhere in the world - the annexation of Crimea & using our country as a killing ground for ex-spies (and killing/harming innocent people in the process)… I understand why we’ve got frostier ties with Russia than we did say 10 years ago.

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This report comes from a Biden meeting in Scranton

Joe Biden Frustrated in Scranton: ‘This Is the United States of America Dammit!’

 

 President Joe Biden appeared frustrated Wednesday that his agenda was stalled in Congress, raising his voice during a speech in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

“What are we doing?” Biden asked after telling a story about parents driving their cars to McDonalds to get internet access during the coronavirus pandemic to do online schooling.

“This is the United States of America, dammit!” Biden shouted. “What are we doing?”

Biden spoke about a number of his priorities, admitting that it was a struggle to get his agenda passed through Congress, where Democrats control both houses.

During his speech, Biden acknowledged the pessimistic tone of his media coverage from the national media about his multitrillion-dollar agenda.

“They have understandably believed there is no possibility of my getting this done. This has been declared dead on arrival the moment I introduced it,” he said.

But Biden appeared confident he could get some bill passed, despite several weeks of stalled negotiations.

The president mocked former President Donald Trump for failing to pass infrastructure spending.

“Last four years you’d hear every month is, you know, infrastructure month,” Biden says. “Didn’t do a single damn thing. Nothing. I mean, nothing for four years.”

Biden faces ongoing frustration as he struggles to break the logjam in Congress, putting the future of his radical agenda in question. The president has already cut his $3.5 trillion funding proposals to $1.9 trillion in an effort to convince Senate moderates to support it.

Biden appeared nostalgic for the old days of bipartisanship in the Senate, recalling when he was friends with Republicans.

“I got on pretty well in the Senate for all those years. A lot of Republicans friends as well as Democratic friends. For real. … We used to travel a lot,” Biden recalled.

Biden also appeared nostalgic for the old days, appearing at an electric trolley museum to promote the future of America’s infrastructure.

“I remember riding the trolly,” he said, recalling his childhood before his family moved to Delaware. “I lived at the end of the line.”

Biden also boasted of his history riding Amtrak, promising massive investments into the rail system to get more cars off of the road and more passengers on trains.

“We will take, literally, millions of automobiles off the road,” he said.

He acknowledged that Scranton, Pennsylvania was “built on coal” but that it was time to shift to green energy like solar and wind.

“Coal built this town, but we gotta provide other avenues to make the same kind of living…” he said.

Biden repeatedly insisted that his multitrillion-dollar bills would not add to the federal deficit or add to the national debt.

“It does. not. increase. The debt.,” he emphasized slowly, despite widespread skepticism that both bills will be able to pay for his radical tax and spend agenda.

He admitted that he avoided even talking about the spending numbers.

“When you talk about the number, we shouldn’t even talk about the numbers because it’s all paid for,” he said.

https://www.cracknewz.com/2021/10/joe-biden-frustrated-in-scranton-this.html

 

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12 hours ago, Gunnersauraus said:

Apparently trump wants to launch his own social media platform. Not sure if this is old news but what's it gonna be called? Corrupt,racist,climate change denying, riot insighting twat.com

I imagine a version of, Make America Great Again.

I think the US is becoming much like the late Republics of Rome before the Ceasars took over. 

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On 15/10/2021 at 16:07, Eco said:

Texas is having themselves one hell of a year. 

First, it was their abortion law, which made it illegal for women to have an abortion after cardiac activity was detected, which is around six weeks and OFTEN occurs before a woman knows she is in fact, pregnant. And to keep this in fact, they have 'deputized' citizens to self clinics or women going about an abortion and then legal action will be taken. 

Now, they are requiring schools to provide books to their kids on each side of the argument on what they deem is a 'controversial' topic. This seems like a good idea personally, as I enjoy looking at both sides myself, however, in a record from a school's meeting, a 'controversial topic is....the holocaust. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/teachers-told-offer-books-opposing-180003000.html

 

Sometimes I'm reminded of this feeling I've had since I was a kid, which is I don't belong here. Texas, the state that loves Trump, guns, walls, and pretending they are bigger than the country as a whole. 

I've had this feeling about being the US in general. 

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1 hour ago, Cicero said:

Acquitted on all charges. 

I wonder if he will attend the riots tonight. 

Even before the aquital buddy Matt Gaetz had offered him an internship job. The more I follow American politics the sadder this is, I dont know if theres any hope there. 

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18 minutes ago, Viva la FCB said:

Even before the aquital buddy Matt Gaetz had offered him an internship job. The more I follow American politics the sadder this is, I dont know if theres any hope there. 

Maddison Cawthorn, another Congressman that's probably most simply described as "a young neo-Nazi" has also offered him an internship.

I know fuck all about the laws there, but I'm surprised self-defense can be successfully claimed when you show up to riots from another state with a gun - which to me seems like a deliberately provocative act.

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6 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Maddison Cawthorn, another Congressman that's probably most simply described as "a young neo-Nazi" has also offered him an internship.

I know fuck all about the laws there, but I'm surprised self-defense can be successfully claimed when you show up to riots from another state with a gun - which to me seems like a deliberately provocative act.

Im familiar with Cawthorn unfortunately, hes a gigantic peice of shit as well so thats hardly surprising. Also has rape allegations going back to his college days, shocker. 

Apparently one of the things coming out of the court room was that he was in the state staying with relatives and the gun was there as well. I dont know all the details I havent honestly followed it to closely but just catching up on some of it today. 

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3 minutes ago, Viva la FCB said:

Im familiar with Cawthorn unfortunately, hes a gigantic peice of shit as well so thats hardly surprising. Also has rape allegations going back to his college days, shocker. 

Apparently one of the things coming out of the court room was that he was in the state staying with relatives and the gun was there as well. I dont know all the details I havent honestly followed it to closely but just catching up on some of it today. 

Even if he was in the state, wouldn't showing up to these riots with a weapon be provocative in itself?

I have no idea and I know some states in America let you freely carry around guns, even assault rifles, like it's fucking Somalia or Afghanistan.

To me, the self-defense claim seems a bit ridiculous because the only reason he was ever in any danger is because he showed up there with a weapon. And people died because he showed up there with a weapon.

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14 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Even if he was in the state, wouldn't showing up to these riots with a weapon be provocative in itself?

I have no idea and I know some states in America let you freely carry around guns, even assault rifles, like it's fucking Somalia or Afghanistan.

To me, the self-defense claim seems a bit ridiculous because the only reason he was ever in any danger is because he showed up there with a weapon. And people died because he showed up there with a weapon.

This is the genesis of the entire situation imo. Literally 2 people are alive and the third has his arm back if the kid doesnt go to the riots. Irregardless of the situation that ensued that entire point isnt even arguable. Hard to imagine the US has gun issues. 

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11 minutes ago, Viva la FCB said:

Hard to imagine the US has gun issues. 

Is it though? Even in states with strict gun laws, it's not that hard to get a gun as long as you've never been convicted of anything. And that's just if you want to purchase it legally, which tbh a lot of criminals won't give a fuck about as they're already going to use the gun to commit crimes. Stolen guns or guns that were originally purchased legally and registered to a legal owner are then sold illegally all the time.

There's no shortage of guns in the US and an absolute shortage of reasonable regulations to stop gun crimes. And then there's the people who think it's their god given right to walk around carrying an AR15 so they can pretend they're soldiers who only really care about one thing: guns and getting more guns.

Just look at this link: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours a list of all incidents of gun violence in the US in just the last 72 hours. It's easy to imagine the US having gun issues, because the US has gun issues - no imagination required xD. It's just not easy to understand why the US doesn't do anything about the obvious gun issues they have.

I don't understand why an outdated rule from a time where America had no standing army and relied on local militias to protect itself from foreign threats is seemingly completely untouchable. "It's part of the constitution" is what pro-gun people say. But so was slavery & they nixed that eventually.

Seems like America could do something about it's gun violence issues... just so few people have the appetite for it.

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59 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Is it though? Even in states with strict gun laws, it's not that hard to get a gun as long as you've never been convicted of anything. And that's just if you want to purchase it legally, which tbh a lot of criminals won't give a fuck about as they're already going to use the gun to commit crimes. Stolen guns or guns that were originally purchased legally and registered to a legal owner are then sold illegally all the time.

There's no shortage of guns in the US and an absolute shortage of reasonable regulations to stop gun crimes. And then there's the people who think it's their god given right to walk around carrying an AR15 so they can pretend they're soldiers who only really care about one thing: guns and getting more guns.

Just look at this link: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours a list of all incidents of gun violence in the US in just the last 72 hours. It's easy to imagine the US having gun issues, because the US has gun issues - no imagination required xD. It's just not easy to understand why the US doesn't do anything about the obvious gun issues they have.

I don't understand why an outdated rule from a time where America had no standing army and relied on local militias to protect itself from foreign threats is seemingly completely untouchable. "It's part of the constitution" is what pro-gun people say. But so was slavery & they nixed that eventually.

Seems like America could do something about it's gun violence issues... just so few people have the appetite for it.

Definite sarcasm, sorry came across poorly xD

I agree with you 100%

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This never should have gone to trial, it is a clear cut case of self defense.   The performance by the prosecution was a joke,, their witnessess proved the defendant's case.  The judge should had declared it a Directed Verdict after the prosecution rested. Justice was served here.

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What's with the dumb fuck QAnon/Trump people who thought JFK would reappear? Fucking hell. 

Saw a video of them singing a Michael Jackson song in Dallas, and someone on reddit commented: 

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For anyone wondering why they’re suddenly Michael Jackson fans:

They believe a bunch of dead celebrities are gonna reappear along with JFK and JFK Jr and put Trump back in power.

Somehow they believe Michael Jackson is still alive and will have a leading position in Trump’s new government.

Those people at Dealey Plaza claim they’ve seen Michael Jackson hanging out with them in disguise, along with other celebrities like Robin Williams, Prince, Tupac, Debbie Reynolds and so on.

They’re singing Michael Jackson because they want him to reveal himself and moonwalk Trump back to power.

I know it sounds like I’m making this up but I swear I’m not.

 

Wat. 

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20 hours ago, Tommy said:

What's with the dumb fuck QAnon/Trump people who thought JFK would reappear? Fucking hell. 

Saw a video of them singing a Michael Jackson song in Dallas, and someone on reddit commented: 

Wat. 

The whole thing is fucking hilarious.

I mean it’s kind of scary but it’s still hilarious

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Just Murica and Florida things, no gun issues there (-this bit is sarcasm)

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A pregnant woman was shot and killed in a road rage incident that stemmed from a hit-and-run crash over the weekend on a Florida street, police said Monday.

The incident unfolded after a 40-year-old motorcyclist was struck by a Kia in Orange City Saturday evening, according to local authorities.

Orange City Police Department officials allege that 35-year-old Sara Morales “intentionally hit” Andrew Derr in the area of the 1400 block of North Volusia Avenue, then fled the minor crash scene.

Derr was uninjured and remained on the motorcycle. He and witnesses tried to get Morales to stop while she was attempting to turn left onto Wisconsin Avenue.

She refused to pull over and they followed the woman in an effort to identify her, according to a Police Department news release.

Morales drove to the 1000 block of Wisconsin Avenue, where she went into her home and called 911. She allegedly grabbed a gun from the house and went back outside to confront Derr and the witnesses.

Derr had a handgun on him, and he drew the weapon and opened fire on Morales, hitting her multiple times, according to police. They say he had a valid Florida permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Morales was rushed to a hospital where she was pronounced dead.

Local television station WOFL reported that Morales worked for the Volusia County library system and was four to five months pregnant with her second child.

Derr remained on scene until officers arrived and is cooperating with investigators, police said.

A handgun belonging to Morales was recovered at the scene.

The investigation is ongoing and no charges were immediately filed, according to police.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/pregnant-hit-and-run-driver-fatally-shot-in-road-rage-incident-she-allegedly-instigated-florida-police/

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On 01/12/2021 at 20:34, Dr. Gonzo said:

The US once again showing us why I don't think the vast majority of police should have guns: 

if you don't wanna watch an old fella in a wheelchair take a full clip to the back, I wouldn't watch that

Saw that video when it came out. That cop should be behind bars. That's just cold blooded murder. Scary to think that someone so trigger happy wears a badge to "serve and protect". 

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