Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Aaroncpfc said: There's a video going round on Facebook from a couple of years ago where a Police Officer warns the then Home Secretary Theresa May that the budget cuts towards the police are putting national security at risk. We all knew he was right at the time but the sadest part is he talks about us being reactive rather than proactive and that's exactly what has happened here. It's taken an absolutely tragic incident before the government have began to acknowledge that the threshold on deporting non british citizens conspiring to commit terrorism needs to be dropped significantly. But Salman Abedi was a British citizen, as was the Westminster Terrorist, 'Khalid Masood'. How do you deport British nationals, which many of these attackers and wannabe attackers are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Bomb squad are at a college in Trafford right now. Awaiting more details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said: The New York Times have published crime scene photos and in response the British Police will no longer be sharing any information with the US authorities. Trust broken down. It get worse for the NYT ..90% fake news now this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said: Bomb squad are at a college in Trafford right now. Awaiting more details. Deontay Wilder is in Trafford? ..must of got lost on his way to Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 26 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: But Salman Abedi was a British citizen, as was the Westminster Terrorist, 'Khalid Masood'. How do you deport British nationals, which many of these attackers and wannabe attackers are? That's a different debate in its entirety. Given the prison system is overcrowded, underfunded, and would create a preaching platform to the vulnerable should there be a different form of historical punishment since been eradicated reintroduced for our more prolific and extreme criminals that means we never have to see them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, Cannabis said: Find evidence (as little as it may be) and use it against them. It's time to stop all of the pussyfooting around and its time to take action. We are at war with these people and the longer we sit around lighting up the Eiffel Tower the longer the problem persists. Not having a go at you of course but it's time that we really started to take action against these savages regardless of who it may upset. Further limit the amount of refugees running around the place, impost tighter checks on the followers of Islam and start deporting people in bulk. Surely you can see the irony behind fighting fire with fire, or the deaths of innocent people with the deaths of more innocent people, in this case? And surely you can see that attacking that part of the world is just a continuation of the vicious cycle we've been in for years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 39 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: But Salman Abedi was a British citizen, as was the Westminster Terrorist, 'Khalid Masood'. How do you deport British nationals, which many of these attackers and wannabe attackers are? You dont, you kill them ...if they are known extremist and hate preacher's that is treason if they are British and should be put to death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: You dont, you kill them ...if they are known extremist and hate preacher's that is treason if they are British and should be put to death We haven't had the death penalty for years, I'm pretty sure we've never used it for conspiracy to commit a crime either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, Smiley Culture said: We haven't had the death penalty for years, I'm pretty sure we've never used it for conspiracy to commit a crime either. Desperate times call for desperate measures ...Tony Bellew hit the nail on the head. they should be hung for treason, or round them all up and send them to Guantanamo Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Happy Blue said: Desperate times call for desperate measures ...Tony Bellew hit the nail on the head. they should be hung for treason, or round them all up and send them to Guantanamo Bay That political heavyweight Bellew?! What will that achieve? Do you think that peace on the streets of the UK will be achieved that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, Smiley Culture said: That political heavyweight Bellew?! What will that achieve? Do you think that peace on the streets of the UK will be achieved that way? It would be a start, the thing is we know who these extremist are yet our government does nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Happy Blue said: It would be a start, the thing is we know who these extremist are yet our government does nothing! Our government have proven to be the biggest extremists going in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: Our government have proven to be the biggest extremists going in the past. Yep! Merkel is a disgrace whats she's done to Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK85 267 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Bellew The fella is an idiot and regularly comes out with the worst opinions going outside of boxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, HK85 said: Bellew The fella is an idiot and regularly comes out with the worst opinions going outside of boxing. Only Libtards would disagree with what he said to be fair to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 31 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: Only Libtards would disagree with what he said to be fair to you Let me guess what he said "throw 'em all out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,204 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Previous miscarriages of justice should be enough proof as to why the death penalty is no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, Smiley Culture said: Let me guess what he said "throw 'em all out". No, hang them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Danny said: Previous miscarriages of justice should be enough proof as to why the death penalty is no good. Send them to Guantanamo Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Happy Blue said: No, hang them Yeah, that'll work Tone, nice one lad. Thanks for that wonderful comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,204 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: Send them to Guantanamo Bay A lot of good that done Shaker Aamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, Danny said: A lot of good that done Shaker Aamer. They should never leave Guantanamo Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,661 Posted May 25, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted May 25, 2017 You can argue about it all day. There is no solution. Attacking their country is the wrong thing to do and will just create more extremists. Doing nothing is obviously not the solution because that means they're attacking us with impunity. The sensible thing to do is to hunt down their leader and bump him off but we've seen since Bin Laden that as soon as you kill one of them, three take his place. In fact there was a thread the other week on here saying one of the leaders of ISIS had been killed. I replied saying is this actually a good thing? Does it matter? Well it didn't stop this attack. The sad truth is that extremism will always exist in one form or another, at the moment it's at its peak (you'd hope), but there's no logical and moral way of preventing it altogether, only minimising it. The only way it changes in my opinion is a real game changer. I'm talking an absolute madman performing a mass homicide or dropping a nuclear bomb on the area to wipe them out but even that it likely to cause even more of a backlash and create even more martyrs. After that maybe the world will change due to global warming or an alien invasion, don't hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Danny said: Previous miscarriages of justice should be enough proof as to why the death penalty is no good. .... and that serial muderers in the past have confessed to more killings once inside. On a side note this made me smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballworld 0 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just terrible what this world has become Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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