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6 minutes ago, LaSambadeStGermain said:

Jesus wept you're impossible. Learn to read my posts to its fullest.

You have an excellent football knowledge, better than anyone on this forum - but Storts and Dodger were right. You are arrogant and let that get to your head. I'm not having a pop but its my big criticism of you.

Not everyone is going to think the same way as you. We all have different ways to view football or even logic in general, I don't think you see that.

contradiction number 25195226246 from young Brian.

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Now forgetting the fact Portugal are third, Spain STILL aren't in the top 10 and that Poland has only gone down 2 spots, I'd like to know how Argentina didn't drop down after the draw with Venezuela. They made 2 points in qualifying this time around and shouldn't be in 4th. Think it shows the system is rigged or flawed.

Peru above England. Finally :D

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New rankings are out

https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html

Considering we are 12th hopefully this will give us better friendlies. No more playing terrible CONCACAF teams that we always beat.

It should be interesting to note we've played 6 games in 2017 (counting friendlies) and we've won all bar one where we drew. Think we fully warrant 12th, although in a more accurate world I'd put us 15th as I've stated before.

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If I had to make an opinionated top 20:

1. Germany

2. Brazil

3. Spain

4. France

5. Italy

6. Chile

7. Argentina

8. Portugal

9. Colombia

10. Croatia

11. Belgium

12. England

13. Sweden

14. Uruguay

15. Peru

16. Paraguay

17. Mexico

18. Poland

19. Iran

20. Ecuador 

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It is what it is and there are no excuses for anyone for the way the rankings pan out...  The rules are set and if national sides aren't set out to play their games intelligently, then that's their fault.

But as I said further up...  It's seriously flawed!  Divisions would sort it all out.

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Why is it flawed though? I think that's the question. Is it the system that's flawed, or is it fair in how the points are distributed?

I think the system surrounding it are flawed. Example: the seedings for draws. The system itself for how it ranks teams isn't though. What's flawed is the fairity (if that's a word).

For example, I do firmly believe Peru being in 15th place from a systematic and an opinionated view is completely spot on, but you have to think that we've beaten a few of the big dogs in South America and won our friendlies. What about Japan and South Korea who are also very decent sides? They have no way to get a large amount of points without friendlies, which are already difficult to arrange anyhow. New Zealand are another example, they are a bad team but they aren't as bad as their ranking suggests. In South America, a decent run of form is enough to give you a ton of points. Of course, if you win against those teams in a run then perhaps statistically you deserve it, but again, South Korea and Japan are very capable of putting together very good teams that will never seen past the 35th place for a consistent amount of time.

Its also stupid for CONCACAF. The same issue that applies to AFC also applies here, but with Mexico playing the Gold Cup every 2 years, they get extra points than some other continents and don't really warrant their usual ranking despite easily being a top 20 side. They play too many tournaments and half of it because of the region they are in. Whether its qualifying past piss poor teams or playing and winning the Gold Cup twice.

As I said, Peru has a chance to be in Pot 1 for the World Cup draw if we qualify, but do we deserve it based on merit? Not really. I'd say Pot 3 is more accurate as we have some history in the tournament, but if we finish in the top 8 then we will be the head of the group.

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6 minutes ago, ScoRoss said:

The rankings are flawed because of, and not limited to, reliance on measuring performance in non competitive matches.

Think that proves the second point I made (on fairity)

I just expanded on another issue.

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These are separate issues which could be resolved with a revamp of World Cup Qualifying / Confederations. 

Ideally for me, not sure if others would agree, but Oceania and Asia could combine as well as North and South America. Obviously with such small nations in these regions, you'd need to have several geographical rounds to start off Qualifying. 

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53 minutes ago, ScoRoss said:

These are separate issues which could be resolved with a revamp of World Cup Qualifying / Confederations. 

Ideally for me, not sure if others would agree, but Oceania and Asia could combine as well as North and South America. Obviously with such small nations in these regions, you'd need to have several geographical rounds to start off Qualifying. 

I'm sure you have other reasons for thinking that, so don't take this as an assumption of mine, but FIFA can't think about merging the 2 federations just to pander to the current system.

North and South America are 2 different continents and if they merge South America would continue to dominate the qualification spot, kind of killing the purpose of a "world cup" in one part of the world. They are different culturally and aren't the same thing. It would be a farce to join them in my opinion.

OFC and AFC would be more understandable given that they once all qualified together (Australia qualified as part of the AFC before they joined the AFC) and also because OFC usually doesn't qualify so there wouldn't be much of a contradiction so to speak. However, the flight times would be ridiculous. Its already a task going from Australia to Japan or the middle east, now imagine going from Saudi Arabia to Tahiti, which is closer to Argentina than the middle east. Most players in the OFC are amateurs or semi pro's, so I doubt it would work a great deal.

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Just now, Cicero said:

Don't you mean down to 10th?

Technically. After drawing Argentina we moved up to 9th but of course it never officially updated. Our draw with Colombia "moved us down" and officially we moved up since it doesn't update until after the international date.

Im not convinced we are 10th in the world. If we played like we did in march all year then definitely but I feel we've gotten slightly worse each month. March was fantastic, June was excellent, September was good and October was OK. 

Its big news here in Peru but we're all aware that the rankings normally aren't accurate. We take it as a pride thing and move on. We don't use it to try and prove we are actually the 10th best team in the world.

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New formula for the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking


Following over two years of reviews and studies of different alternatives and a comprehensive consultation process with all confederations, the FIFA administration put forward to the FIFA Council an overhauled formula to calculate the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking – a system that was today approved and will thus be inaugurated with the first official ranking following the 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia™.

Under the guiding principles of making the formula more intuitive and accurate; eliminating the potential for ranking manipulation; and providing equal opportunities to ascend for all teams, a group of sports specialists and statisticians developed a formula based on the Elo method of calculation. This formula works not by averaging points for each individual match, but by adding them to or subtracting them from a team’s existing points total – a calculation in which weights are determined by the relative strength of the two opponents and the importance of each match. This means that the annual average point calculation, which is currently used in the World Ranking formula, will no longer be factored.

Furthermore, the approved formula allows for a smooth transition from the current ranking, without displacement of teams in the existing ranking table. A complete explanation of the new system is available here  

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FINALLY!

Switzerland will be annoyed at this.

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53 minutes ago, ScoRoss said:

FINALLY!

Switzerland will be annoyed at this.

Poland too with various others manipulating their friendlies (not playing any) so as to maintain ranking status for seeding awards.

It makes no difference though... Those that merit anything should rise to the top although Italy abound be annoyed for having been put in with Spain for a World Cup qualifying group.  Ridiculous!

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