Spike 5,103 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 4 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: With that attitude though you may aswell sell Mason Mount now just incase he does his ACL next week. No, not really. That is just reductio ad absurdum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Some fallacies sound like Harry Potter spells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 1,190 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 popcorn.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke 722 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Without trying to sound like Michael Owen, he scores goals. In saying that though, the question always remains with Tammy over his overall play and influence particularly in the more difficult games. There's still the possibility that he's capable of reaching a higher level in terms of his overall game and performances as he's still young so personally, I would keep him around, I think we've got quite a good balance at the moment with our strikers who all offer different things. All of them perhaps, you couldn't rely on consistently throughout a campaign or trust them to be your main striker, but they will have their moments and streaks during seasons and I'd be quite happy to see them all rotated again next season. It might be harder to keep both Giroud and Tammy happy but I think it can be done. Abraham's contract situation makes things more complicated as well but surely with some promises and guarantees made, both he and Giroud could be kept happy. I don't think Werner has been as bad as some people make out either, he suits certain conditions like the game yesterday, his main problem this season is that he was really mismanaged by Lampard. Werner suits different games and different circumstances, use him in that way, and I'm sure he'll get better next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Tammy wants to be #1. If not here then elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke 722 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Cicero said: Tammy wants to be #1. If not here then elsewhere. Every striker does. If the manager/club really wanted him to stay, I think they could sit him down and persuade him as long as there is the promise of game time. If you perform well, you'll play end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke 722 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Great clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, carefreeluke said: Every striker does. If the manager/club really wanted him to stay, I think they could sit him down and persuade him as long as there is the promise of game time. If you perform well, you'll play end of. Don’t think Tuchel particularly rates him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Any potential value gained from him having a good loan is offset by his contract nearing expiration. The situation changes from club in control to player. Not only that but if he has a great season he can be more aggressive in contract negotiations, perhaps even scaring some clubs away, or having forcing the selling club to lower the price to make up for wage increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 3,827 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Jesus. £40m bones. I'm not sure what to say about that for someone that cannot get a game. West Ham is such an obvious move. Makes sense seeing as they technically do not have what I'd call a 'proper' striker. Antonio is simply there as a converted one. I could see him going back to work with Dean Smith at Villa as well. They have probably been a little over reliant on Watkins this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 58 minutes ago, Lucas said: Jesus. £40m bones. I'm not sure what to say about that for someone that cannot get a game. West Ham is such an obvious move. Makes sense seeing as they technically do not have what I'd call a 'proper' striker. Antonio is simply there as a converted one. I could see him going back to work with Dean Smith at Villa as well. They have probably been a little over reliant on Watkins this season. Think they'll settle for around 25m in the current climate to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 He needs to be at a middle of the road club, unfortunately he's just a grade below the level needed in top level competition for me so he will never be the first choice he craves at a top club. I know the transfer won't likely ever happen but the current Arsenal side could benefit from Abraham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,378 Posted May 10, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted May 10, 2021 45 minutes ago, Devil said: He needs to be at a middle of the road club, unfortunately he's just a grade below the level needed in top level competition for me so he will never be the first choice he craves at a top club. I agree with this. It appears as if he's spurned the chance to 'make it' at Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 20 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: Like a meal deal where you're forced to choose an unwanted side to go with the main because it's better value for money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Roma offering 40 million. Loan with obligation to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber JoshBRFC+ 1,388 Posted August 9, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 9, 2021 Chelsea doing brilliantly yet again with getting decent prices for players. I think the move is good for him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, Cicero said: Roma offering 40 million. Loan with obligation to buy. When was the last time an Italian club ever bought a player outright? Loans to buy, millions of installments, shared ownership. It's never been more clear than now that the whole of world football other than the Prem and PSG are skint. To think Inter won the league and are having a clear out of the whole squad!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,184 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, Devil said: When was the last time an Italian club ever bought a player outright? Loans to buy, millions of installments, shared ownership. It's never been more clear than now that the whole of world football other than the Prem and PSG are skint. To think Inter won the league and are having a clear out of the whole squad!!! Tbf Inter having to clear out the whole squad is really a problem that's unique to Inter being owned by Suning Holdings, who are undergoing serious financial difficulties due to restrictions China put in place on foreign investment. They had to close down their Chinese football club entirely, and I believe they were the current holders of the league title in China. Before winning the league, they had to seek a massive loan from Goldman Sachs to stay afloat with the hopes of finding a new buyer soon. It does say something though that the league that dominated the 90s and was absolutely loaded with cash has fallen so far behind that even a powerhouse like Inter, even after winning a title, can't withstand the same serious financial pressures that the pandemic has put virtually every club, barring the oil mercenary clubs, under. But there is the important consideration with Inter's current financial woes that are sort of unique to them - where even the 2nd largest non-state owned Chinese company (well formerly, in their current financial situation they sold 23% of the club to a state-owned entity) is in serious economic peril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Batard 2,534 Posted August 9, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Tbf Inter having to clear out the whole squad is really a problem that's unique to Inter being owned by Suning Holdings, who are undergoing serious financial difficulties due to restrictions China put in place on foreign investment. They had to close down their Chinese football club entirely, and I believe they were the current holders of the league title in China. Before winning the league, they had to seek a massive loan from Goldman Sachs to stay afloat with the hopes of finding a new buyer soon. It does say something though that the league that dominated the 90s and was absolutely loaded with cash has fallen so far behind that even a powerhouse like Inter, even after winning a title, can't withstand the same serious financial pressures that the pandemic has put virtually every club, barring the oil mercenary clubs, under. But there is the important consideration with Inter's current financial woes that are sort of unique to them - where even the 2nd largest non-state owned Chinese company (well formerly, in their current financial situation they sold 23% of the club to a state-owned entity) is in serious economic peril. The impact of this should not be underestimated for clubs with Chinese backers, the Chinese communist party is taxing it's wealthiest people and companies seemingly into oblivion simply for investing money on Western goods or into Western businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,184 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Batard said: This can't be understated enough for clubs with Chinese backers, the Chinese communist party is taxing it's wealthiest people and companies seemingly into oblivion simply for investing money on Western goods or into Western businesses. Yeah - it's not just in football, too. I'm seeing it in my work, where loads of our clients had come to depend on investment from wealthy Chinese individuals/companies are now facing some pretty rough times as China's taken an incredibly harsh stance on investment in the West. It's forcing a lot of "decisions" upon businesses that otherwise wouldn't have been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 40 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Tbf Inter having to clear out the whole squad is really a problem that's unique to Inter being owned by Suning Holdings, who are undergoing serious financial difficulties due to restrictions China put in place on foreign investment. They had to close down their Chinese football club entirely, and I believe they were the current holders of the league title in China. Before winning the league, they had to seek a massive loan from Goldman Sachs to stay afloat with the hopes of finding a new buyer soon. It does say something though that the league that dominated the 90s and was absolutely loaded with cash has fallen so far behind that even a powerhouse like Inter, even after winning a title, can't withstand the same serious financial pressures that the pandemic has put virtually every club, barring the oil mercenary clubs, under. But there is the important consideration with Inter's current financial woes that are sort of unique to them - where even the 2nd largest non-state owned Chinese company (well formerly, in their current financial situation they sold 23% of the club to a state-owned entity) is in serious economic peril. I’m pretty sure Suning were never in dire straights, they just restructured and axed all non production areas of their companies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,184 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, Spike said: I’m pretty sure Suning were never in dire straights, they just restructured and axed all non production areas of their companies Suning were (and still are) in a bit of financial bother, tbh. They were facing defaulting on massive loans without the cash to cover minimum payments - they had to turn to state owned investment in order to be able to make payments and not default. Inter's issues stem from that as well - but they're also being impacted by these restrictions China has on people/businesses making foreign investments. If Suning weren't in dire straights, they wouldn't have made such wide and sweeping restructures. Nor would they have pulled the plug on the landmark TV deal they signed with the Premier League. Suning are also facing about half a billion in payments to in 2022 (bond payments & a preferred shares investment group from HK can exercise it's redemption right, obligating Suning to pay them a massive fee to buy those shares back). They're not out of the woods yet, they've got quite a few financial issues they're facing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoRoss 800 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 8 hours ago, Cicero said: Roma offering 40 million. Loan with obligation to buy. Really hope it's doesn't come off, and spend a little bit more going after Alexander Isak from Real Sociedad. Abraham's wage will be inflated at Chelsea and Roma really shouldn't try to compete with them. England is a bad market to buy from, you'll never get any bargain from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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