Rick 2,276 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Grealish, Sterling and Shaw should have all been taking pens before Saka, Sancho and Maguire (even if his pen was the best). If those players have shit out, then they can fuck off. But judging by Southgate taking the previous England captain off the pitch before the pens are taken, I wouldn’t put it past him to have asked them to take pens just because they are attacking players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Spike said: Donnarumma would have bankrupted Milan by the end of his career After Mino Raiola got that 1 million euros per year contract for Donnarumma's older brother, I became a huge Raiola fan. I mean, the man is a genious, you have to admire his skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 2,276 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Stan said: But they have experience at penalties, no? Rashford takes them for Man Utd? It's not on his head for how the players take the penalties I'm not totally absolving Southgate of the game, by the way. I'm just saying he can't be hounded on once the penalty takers are chosen. If those players have stepped up and shown the confidence to Southgate that he wants to take one, then what else can he do? Put someone in place that is less confident? What kind of management would that be? Rashford not so much, but Sancho on for Henderson? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Rick said: Grealish, Sterling and Shaw should have all been taking pens before Saka, Sancho and Maguire (even if his pen was the best). If those players have shit out, then they can fuck off. But judging by Southgate taking the previous England captain off the pitch before the pens are taken, I wouldn’t put it past him to have asked them to take pens just because they are attacking players. Penalties are rigorously trained in training during knockout tournaments. I’m finding it difficult to believe this was all reactive from Southgate. And I don’t particularly rate the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Mount lost at Wembley again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker 134 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rick said: He’s the manager, it’s absolutely on his head how this shootout went. Taking off two experienced players right at the end, giving two of the first 5 pens to lads who have very little experience at this level is absolute madness. Perhaps.. but would you have fancied Henderson? Walker? Sterling? Henderson was picking out front row seats in open play.. I can't remember Grealish taking one for Villa, which probably suggests it ain't his speciality. I was struggling more than ever to see 5 scorers at any stage. From how Southgate describes being the 6th taker back at Euro 96 & Trippier being set piece specialist at Russia 2018, I suspect it was who seemed keen, who put their hands up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Chuffed for Roberto I told my gf that the players coming on were to take penalties, and that I thought Rashford would do something silly, and that I'd bring on DCL instead. And so it passed. Rashford should hang his head, Sancho and Saka took some dogshit pens, but can hardly be blamed. I can't believe Saka took that pen, outrageous. It's not coming home. Hopefully next tournament England get some real competition early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Southgate’s taken us to a final when we thought we’d not make it past the round of 16 and you lot are moaning about penalty takers. Clearly something that they’ve worked out in advance and the one thing that didn’t come off for us this tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 2,276 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Cicero said: Penalties are rigorously trained in training during knockout tournaments. I’m finding it difficult to believe this was all reactive from Southgate. And I don’t particularly rate the man. So all of a sudden, we are to believe that both Henderson and Walker have become shithouse pen takers overnight? Maybe Sancho was pinging them in for fun in training, but are you really taking a player like Henderson off the pitch for him? The man has so much experience. I just find it mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Sterling has that ADHD energy, he always looks twitchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,615 Posted July 11, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 11, 2021 Great to see Spinazzola at the winning ceremony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Rick said: So all of a sudden, we are to believe that both Henderson and Walker have become shithouse pen takers overnight? Maybe Sancho was pinging them in for fun in training, but are you really taking a player like Henderson off the pitch for him? The man has so much experience. I just find it mad. Agreed, you want your Alpha males that can walk up to the spot with their chest puffed out, regardless of penalty taking technique. Sergio Ramos missed some terrible pens but he walked up everytime because he has the mindset of a winner, I think Hendo has that as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,661 Posted July 11, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted July 11, 2021 Well fuck. I'll probably type more tomorrow but well done to Italy who have been excellent for most of the tournament. Still more proud than gutted. And a big shout out to Jordan Pickford who has had a great tournament for the most part and vitally kept the tedious T-Rex arms meme brigade quiet for the whole tournament. They might even have to think of a new joke three years down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rick said: So all of a sudden, we are to believe that both Henderson and Walker have become shithouse pen takers overnight? Maybe Sancho was pinging them in for fun in training, but are you really taking a player like Henderson off the pitch for him? The man has so much experience. I just find it mad. But he just missed in that friendly? What’s to say he himself threw himself out of discussion? Has Walker ever taken a pen? Also, if Henderson took one and missed, people will likely blame Southgate for having him take one with ‘his confidence low’ or something in that regard. There’s a lot to blame on Southgate but I can’t find this one of them without context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Batard 2,534 Posted July 11, 2021 Administrator Share Posted July 11, 2021 Fair play to Italy, based on the 2nd half alone they deserved to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 The man has just proven himself again and again against criticism to be such a leader, never in my life did I think England could win a major competition and for a moment in that penalty shoot out I thought it might happen. Also people talking about where’s Sancho/Rashford when he brought Saka on as if Saka hasn’t been one of our best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 2,276 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Cicero said: But he just missed in that friendly? What’s to say he himself threw himself out of discussion? Has Walker ever taken a pen? Also, if Henderson took one and missed, people will likely blame Southgate for having him take one with ‘his confidence low’ or something in that regard. There’s a lot to blame on Southgate but I can’t find this one of them without context. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I am mostly annoyed at Saka being asked to take one of those penalties, and I almost refuse to believe that the likes of Grealish shied away from taking one, he nodded his heading confidently in the huddle when Southgate pointed to him. Henderson is a leader, that much cannot be denied by anybody and there not a chance in hell that he’s said to Southgate that he’s low in confidence, he isn’t that sort of man. He would have taken the first one if Southgate had pointed at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,501 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Unlucky England, nearly but not quite. I felt Southgate was a bit negative in his approach. Either way, no shame in losing to the best side in the competition. On a side not over the course of the semi final and the final. Kane and Sterling performed some of the most blatant cheating and diving I've seen in recent years. It was literally non-stop over 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub 2,508 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Nice intense game. Overall a good tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 1,190 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Jordan Henderson missed his last penalty, for England for fucks sake. Club loyalty really is a fucking parasite isn't it. Quite rightly wasn't anywhere near the shootout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 There should be betting odds on Rio Ferdinand. What ever he says will happen, bet the complete opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 just saw a video of an alleged attack on an Italian fan, bunch of English blokes were kicking him on the ground near a turnstile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 2,276 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Whiskey said: Jordan Henderson missed his last penalty, for England for fucks sake. Club loyalty really is a fucking parasite isn't it. Quite rightly wasn't anywhere near the shootout. Pack it in you donut. It’s not blind club loyalty is it? Think Henderson has proven plenty in his career as both Liverpool AND England captain to suggest he would have held his nerve a bit better taking the final pen than a 19 year old lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Whiskey said: Jordan Henderson missed his last penalty, for England for fucks sake. Club loyalty really is a fucking parasite isn't it. Quite rightly wasn't anywhere near the shootout. So did kane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machado 1,710 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Taking a penalty in a final is more about confidence and maturity than ability. Sure some players will have a better shot than others, but I don't believe scoring 100 out of 100 penalties in training means a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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