Happy Blue 1,898 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Thought this was interesting https://www.worldfootball.net/alltime_table/eng-premier-league/ # Team M. W D L goals Dif Pt. 1 Liverpool FC 4214 1991 1044 1179 7030:5078 1952 7017 2 Arsenal FC 4214 1919 1078 1217 6977:5286 1691 6835 3 Everton FC 4598 1870 1154 1574 7128:6363 765 6764 4 Manchester United 3858 1852 952 1054 6662:4887 1775 6508 5 Aston Villa 4150 1669 984 1497 6709:6197 512 5991 6 Manchester City 3700 1508 881 1311 5887:5285 602 5405 7 Tottenham Hotspur 3474 1447 839 1188 5491:4842 649 5180 8 Chelsea FC 3478 1428 893 1157 5345:4847 498 5177 9 Newcastle United 3544 1360 861 1323 5293:5141 152 4941 10 Sunderland AFC 3340 1260 780 1300 5143:5121 22 4560 11 West Bromwich Albion 3146 1105 776 1265 4644:4996 -352 4091 12 Blackburn Rovers 2720 1017 651 1052 4306:4348 -42 3702 13 Bolton Wanderers 2802 1017 641 1144 4156:4467 -311 3692 14 Sheffield Wednesday 2582 980 612 990 3976:4020 -44 3552 15 Wolverhampton Wanderers 2540 987 578 975 4166:4093 73 3539 16 Derby County 2468 906 585 977 3764:3910 -146 3303 17 Sheffield United 2432 892 574 966 3590:3864 -274 3250 18 West Ham United 2552 870 635 1047 3612:3997 -385 3245 19 Leeds United 2102 864 530 708 3145:2849 296 3122 20 Burnley FC 2252 860 510 882 3432:3567 -135 3090 21 Middlesbrough FC 2438 818 614 1006 3426:3766 -340 3065 22 Nottingham Forest 2178 800 549 829 3069:3171 -102 2949 23 Stoke City 2372 778 583 1011 3055:3659 -604 2917 24 Birmingham City 2306 724 583 999 3049:3656 -607 2755 25 Leicester City 2170 716 560 894 3204:3606 -402 2708 26 Preston North End 1720 671 390 659 2701:2569 132 2403 27 Southampton FC 1762 579 485 698 2309:2563 -254 2222 28 Huddersfield Town 1336 492 334 510 1924:1988 -64 1810 29 Portsmouth FC 1356 484 322 550 2021:2208 -187 1765 30 Coventry City 1390 430 396 564 1604:1954 -350 1686 31 Blackpool FC 1172 415 282 475 1788:1941 -153 1527 32 Ipswich Town 1084 402 265 417 1442:1500 -58 1471 33 Charlton Athletic 1050 355 253 442 1424:1651 -227 1318 34 Notts County 1068 341 253 474 1403:1712 -309 1276 35 Norwich City 1058 308 310 440 1199:1593 -394 1234 36 Fulham FC 1074 310 276 488 1355:1759 -404 1206 37 Queens Park Rangers 936 299 249 388 1143:1310 -167 1146 38 Bury FC 804 279 180 345 1176:1340 -164 1017 39 Crystal Palace 838 235 223 380 888:1234 -346 928 40 Cardiff City 706 241 167 298 931:1136 -205 890 41 Luton Town 658 213 168 277 863:1011 -148 807 42 Wimbledon FC 554 186 171 197 702:754 -52 729 43 Oldham Athletic 484 159 129 196 604:713 -109 606 44 Watford FC 520 161 119 240 665:820 -155 602 45 Grimsby Town 488 167 97 224 756:940 -184 598 46 Bradford City 468 152 126 190 584:671 -87 582 47 Bristol City 358 114 94 150 428:510 -82 436 48 Swansea City 350 113 83 154 415:503 -88 422 49 Brighton & Hove Albion 324 86 98 140 335:461 -126 356 50 Wigan Athletic 304 85 76 143 316:482 -166 331 51 Brentford FC 214 77 48 89 333:361 -28 279 52 AFC Bournemouth 190 56 43 91 241:330 -89 211 53 Hull City 190 41 48 101 181:323 -142 171 54 Bradford Park Avenue 122 40 27 55 172:204 -32 147 55 Accrington FC 122 35 33 54 226:313 -87 138 56 Reading FC 114 32 23 59 136:186 -50 119 57 Oxford United 124 27 38 59 150:229 -79 119 58 Millwall FC 76 19 22 35 86:117 -31 79 59 Northampton Town 42 10 13 19 55:92 -37 43 60 Carlisle United 42 12 5 25 43:59 -16 41 61 Darwen 56 11 8 37 75:195 -120 41 62 Barnsley FC 38 10 5 23 37:82 -45 35 63 Swindon Town 42 5 15 22 47:100 -53 30 64 Leyton Orient 42 6 9 27 37:81 -44 27 65 Glossop North End 34 4 10 20 31:74 -43 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 Comparing that with the all time Silverware of every English club Combined totals of English men's clubs FIFA and UEFA FA, EFL and PL (top-qualifying) Total Club Cups Super Cups Total League Cups Super Cups Total League Cups Super Cups Total Manchester United 6 2 8 20 17 21 58 20 23 23 66 Liverpool 10 4 14 19 16[a] 16 51 19 26 20 65 Arsenal 2 — 2 13 17 16 46 13 19 16 48 Chelsea 6 2 8 6 15 4 25 6 21 6 33 Manchester City 1 — 1 7 14 6 27 7 15 6 28 Tottenham Hotspur 3 — 3 2 12 9[c] 23 2 15 9 26 Aston Villa 2 1 3 7 12 3[d] 22 7 14 4 25 Everton 1 — 1 9 5 9 23 9 6 9 24 Newcastle United 2 — 2 4 6 2 12 4 8 2 14 Nottingham Forest 2 1 3 1 8 1 10 1 10 2 13 Wolverhampton Wanderers — — — 3 6 4 13 3 6 4 13 Blackburn Rovers — — — 3 8 1 12 3 8 1 12 Sunderland — — — 6 2 2[e] 10 6 2 2 10 Sheffield Wednesday — — — 4 4 2 10 4 4 2 10 Leeds United 2 — 2 3 2 2 7 3 4 2 9 West Bromwich Albion — — — 1 6 2 9 1 6 2 9 Leicester City — — — 1 4 2 7 1 4 2 7 West Ham United 2 — 2 — 3 1 4 — 5 1 6 Sheffield United — — — 1 4 1 6 1 4 1 6 Huddersfield Town — — — 3 1 1 5 3 1 1 5 Portsmouth — — — 2 2 1 5 2 2 1 5 Burnley — — — 2 1 2 5 2 1 2 5 Wanderers — — — — 5 — 5 — 5 — 5 Bolton Wanderers — — — — 4 1 5 — 4 1 5 Preston North End — — — 2 2 — 4 2 2 — 4 Derby County — — — 2 1 1 4 2 1 1 4 Ipswich Town 1 — 1 1 1 — 2 1 2 — 3 Corinthian — — — — — 3 3 — — 3 3 Birmingham City — — — — 2 — 2 — 2 — 2 Bury — — — — 2 — 2 — 2 — 2 Norwich City — — — — 2 — 2 — 2 — 2 Old Etonians — — — — 2 — 2 — 2 — 2 Cardiff City[f] — — — — 1 1 2 — 1 1 2 Swindon Town — — — — 1 1 2 — 1 1 2 Wigan Athletic — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Swansea City[g] — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Middlesbrough — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Crystal Palace — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Luton Town — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Reading — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Wimbledon — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Coventry City — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Oxford United — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Southampton — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Stoke City — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Queens Park Rangers — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Blackpool — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Charlton Athletic — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Barnsley — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Bradford City — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Notts County — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Blackburn Olympic — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Old Carthusians — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Clapham Rovers — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Royal Engineers — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Oxford University — — — — 1 — 1 — 1 — 1 Brighton & Hove Albion — — — — — 1 1 — — 1 1 Queens Park[h] — — — — — 1 1 — — 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,369 Posted September 16, 2021 Administrator Share Posted September 16, 2021 Nice healthy 300+ points gap to 26th. Hopefully should overtake Birmingham this season. Going up in the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 Think it's safe to say Liverpool are England's most successful club with Arsenal & united fighting for 2nd with Everton & Villa making up the top 5 with City, Spurs & Chelsea close behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 People bang on about the mighty Nottingham Forest, 22nd on the league & 10th on the silverware ..it's a good record but people would have you believe it's a lot better than it really is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,369 Posted September 16, 2021 Administrator Share Posted September 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: People bang on about the mighty Nottingham Forest, 22nd on the league & 10th on the silverware ..it's a good record but people would have you believe it's a lot better than it really is They've been irrelevant for the best part of 2 decades now. The true definition of a club that lives in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Stan said: They've been irrelevant for the best part of 2 decades now. The true definition of a club that lives in the past. Do Leicester fans still consider them a local rival, or are you not bothered about them these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,400 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Charlton fans will be having a parade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,369 Posted September 16, 2021 Administrator Share Posted September 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: Do Leicester fans still consider them a local rival, or are you not bothered about them these days? Not bothered about them. Haven't been for nearly 10 years. Last bit of relevance was when we beat them 3-2 on the final day of the 12/13 season to make the play-offs at their expense. In fact that was a pretty eventful final day of the season for Leicester, Forest & Bolton all vying for 6th place. We had to beat Forest, Bolton had to beat Blackpool. Bolton went 2 down and came back to 2-2. At that point they'd have finished 6th. Then we scored a last minute winner to take us above both of them. Can't say I've cared much about them since then but it's can't deny it's nice to see their current plight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Pyfish+ 2,773 Posted September 16, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted September 16, 2021 45th when we're currently 96th in reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, Pyfish said: 45th when we're currently 96th in reality Result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,180 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Happy Blue said: People bang on about the mighty Nottingham Forest, 22nd on the league & 10th on the silverware ..it's a good record but people would have you believe it's a lot better than it really is That’s pretty good considering I can’t even remember what year it was we last saw them in the top flight because it was so long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,266 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 That mighty Man City European Pedigree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Cicero said: That mighty Man City European Pedigree. Premier League >>>> every other competition, domestic or international, the Premier League is the highest standard of football in the world. City >> Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,369 Posted September 16, 2021 Administrator Share Posted September 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: That’s pretty good considering I can’t even remember what year it was we last saw them in the top flight because it was so long ago. Had a check and it was longer than I thought - 1998/99. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,180 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Just now, Stan said: Had a check and it was longer than I thought - 1998/99. And in the 90s they were a pretty far cry from when they were good. I think the first season of the prem was when Clough lost his touch and they went down. I think of them as a big club purely because they won the European Cup twice (back to back? Or were there years between? I dunno)… even though it’d maybe be the equivalent of someone like Atalanta winning the CL twice. But they’ve clearly fallen on hard times. For most of my life they’ve been very shite. Also this chart shows how badly Kenwright had fucked over Everton and how successful he’s been at beating the big club mentality out of the blueshite. Pretty remarkable- but it probably kept him from so much deserved pressure in the 90s, 00s, and 10s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose 4,359 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said: And in the 90s they were a pretty far cry from when they were good. I think the first season of the prem was when Clough lost his touch and they went down. I think of them as a big club purely because they won the European Cup twice (back to back? Or were there years between? I dunno)… even though it’d maybe be the equivalent of someone like Atalanta winning the CL twice. But they’ve clearly fallen on hard times. For most of my life they’ve been very shite. Also this chart shows how badly Kenwright had fucked over Everton and how successful he’s been at beating the big club mentality out of the blueshite. Pretty remarkable- but it probably kept him from so much deserved pressure in the 90s, 00s, and 10s Was back to back, otherwise they wouldn't have been qualified since they were only once English champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike 3,009 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Happy Blue said: Premier League >>>> every other competition, domestic or international, the Premier League is the highest standard of football in the world. City >> Chelsea I would take the European Cup every day over anything else. Especially now we've got the not winning the league for so long monkey off our back. I'm desperate for Liverpool to win both though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,180 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Happy Blue said: Premier League >>>> every other competition, domestic or international, the Premier League is the highest standard of football in the world. City >> Chelsea Imo the CL is the most exciting tournament & most prestigious trophy. It's something the top clubs in Europe (and because that's where the big money leagues are... that means the top clubs in the world) are all desperate to win. It's a tournament with the best sides and best players in the world and the matches that become classics in the tournament are absolutely incredible tbh. I always want us to win the league because I spent most of my life desperate for us to win the league... but my favourite competition to watch us compete in is the CL because it's just a remarkably good competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,644 Posted September 16, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted September 16, 2021 Rather win the league than the Champions League hands down. As a fan of a non-elite club I just can't properly relate to the Champions League and think it's overrated to be honest. The latter stages are good and it's fun when a team like Dortmund or Ajax put together a genuinely competitive team, and I'll hold my hands up and admit I'd love it if Everton were in it and saw Real Madrid or Juventus playing at Goodison or Bramley Moore, and I'd love to see Everton in any European competition because then I get to watch more football matches that I care about. However, I just find the idea of being Champions of England much more meaningful than the Champions League in its current form. There's just too much entitlement in one place in the Champions League and too often you end up with ties in the latter stages between teams of the same country. This can actually be really good in some ways when you get two-legged ties that you don't usually get in other competitions but I'm not a fan of it in the Final. I can definitely see the appeal of the tournament if you support one of the teams that have a chance of winning it most seasons to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,266 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Ask me 10 years ago I'd of said Champions League. Now, it's Premier League over anything. It is funny though when you look at City's success the past decade and a half and see they've accomplished fuck all in Europe. Not even in their entire history do they have any European pedigree, which I truly believe is a thing. It's the very reason why it took ages for our old guard Cech, Terry, Lampard, and Drogba to win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 5 hours ago, LFCMike said: I would take the European Cup every day over anything else. Especially now we've got the not winning the league for so long monkey off our back. I'm desperate for Liverpool to win both though! 4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Imo the CL is the most exciting tournament & most prestigious trophy. It's something the top clubs in Europe (and because that's where the big money leagues are... that means the top clubs in the world) are all desperate to win. It's a tournament with the best sides and best players in the world and the matches that become classics in the tournament are absolutely incredible tbh. I always want us to win the league because I spent most of my life desperate for us to win the league... but my favourite competition to watch us compete in is the CL because it's just a remarkably good competition. The thing with the CL is it's a cup competition and you just need a bit of luck and be in form at the right time, a team from mid table in a domestic league has won it a few times so how can you be champions of Europe when you are only the 6th best in your own country ..i will take the Premier League all day long, right now who ever wins that is probably the best team in the world with the state of the other leagues at present with maybe Madrid & Bayern The CL should only be the CHAMPIONS of each league, then i might take it a bit more seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,266 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Caraboo Cup > Champions League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,266 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Happy Blue said: a team from mid table in a domestic league has won it a few times so how can you be champions of Europe when you are only the 6th best in your own country .. Ah yes. Let the hate run through you…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,898 Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Cicero said: Ah yes. Let the hate run through you…. No hate, just facts ..how can you be champions of Europe when you are not even champions of England? makes no sense at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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