Tottenham 2-2 Liverpool - Sunday 19th December, 2021

[Storts+]

Just now, LFCMike said:

Pushed and touched is not the same thing

Outstretched arms, it’s a push, even if soft 

[Waylander]

12 minutes ago, shut up said:

Why wasn't the Robertson goal ruled out? Definitely looked like Salah handled it

I agree they have ruled many out for something that happens in the build up yet decided to ignore that.

I recall one a couple of a seasons when Chelsea scored against Liverpool, a 21 move goal and they ruled  the 17th pass was offside. Now of course that was in the early days of VAR.

[Danny]

7 minutes ago, Storts said:

All technicalities but let’s be honest that goal doesn’t happen if Salah doesn’t handle it and control it like that.  By the letter of the law (as far as I understand it considering it changes every few months) it’s probably legal but also it’s definitely lucky and handball 

I agree with you on the handball, I think it causes Lloris to make a rash save which opens up the space for a TAA/Robertson link up. But by the letter it’s not a handball.

[The Käiser]

9 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Can see Liverpool paying for their honesty here. Conte is a clever man, he’s been done for match fixing and his eyes lit up when he saw OMICRON.

Match fixing?  

what’s the story? I haven’t heard 

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, Storts said:

Robbed hahahah 

Deary me.

You lot are all the same

You shouldn’t have had 11 men for most of that match, the other decisions don’t really matter so much to me

[Machado]

Deserved red but I thought Robertson was lucky he didn't break his own leg with that challenge  In the replay it looks like it bends a little.

[Machado]

Btw Jota's is clearly a penalty, come on. You can't push a player like that and not even touch the ball. It's so obviously a penalty, dear me.

[MUFC]

At last, a game with some fucking tackles going in.

[Devil-Dick Willie]

1 hour ago, Storts said:

Exactly what I think. 

Wait, so how is it bad officiating then? If anything it's clear and consistent 

Which means, the only mistakes in the match were Salahs hand ball and Kane not being sent off, which heavily favors spurs. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think Robertson’s is a clear red card btw, but I do think the referee is responsible for letting things go out of control.

And talking consistency… Kane should have seen red for his challenge. So yeah, we got a legitimate red but they should have been down to 10 pretty early on in that match so it’s pretty easy to feel aggrieved.

Standard of refereeing is just pretty unacceptably poor for this level far too frequently. Look how many contentious decisions we’ve talked about in this thread, piss poor officiating.

But I still maintain the most egregious is just not sending off a player for an obvious red card. Golden boy or not, that’s always going to piss off opposing fans.

[The Artful Dodger]

15 hours ago, Stan said:

For who? 

You. 

Liverpool were absolutely robbed yesterday. If it had been the other way round it would be 10 pages now Liverpool have to do far more than any club just to get a win. Spurs were so fresh. Klopp needs to be more like conte.

[The Artful Dodger]

Also, why is 60,000 people shouting ‘we pay your benefits’ acceptable? 
 

Spurs support is full of awful, Home Counties tits who look down their nose at actual Tottenham.

[Stan]

1 minute ago, The Artful Dodger said:

You. 

Grow up misery guts. All I wrote was that Spurs had scored. 

[LFCMike]

3 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Also, why is 60,000 people shouting ‘we pay your benefits’ acceptable? 
 

Spurs support is full of awful, Home Counties tits who look down their nose at actual Tottenham.

It's not just Spurs, it's the rest of the country. You have Geordies turning up at Anfield singing 'feed the Scousers'. Thick as shit.

[Stan]

4 minutes ago, LFCMike said:

It's not just Spurs, it's the rest of the country. You have Geordies turning up at Anfield singing 'feed the Scousers'. Thick as shit.

Newcastle aren't in the south so it won't register.

[The Artful Dodger]

Geordies are weird. England loving simpletons by and large.

 

[LFCMike]

[Stan]

2 minutes ago, LFCMike said:

I don't understand that. Seems like everyone who watched the game knows Kane should have walked, but only the refs and officials think otherwise . Regardless of whether someone jumps doesn't take away the danger of the challenge.

Like with the Jota one where refs didn't give it because he slowed down. Bizarre reasoning.

[LFCMike]

1 minute ago, Stan said:

I don't understand that. Seems like everyone who watched the game knows Kane should have walked, but only the refs and officials think otherwise . Regardless of whether someone jumps doesn't take away the danger of the challenge.

Like with the Jota one where refs didn't give it because he slowed down. Bizarre reasoning.

Just come out and admit mistakes rather than coming up with rubbish like that. The fact Robertson is jumping and Kane catches him on the shin shows how high the challenge is

[The Artful Dodger]

Titles pretty much down now, no way Manchester City will drop that many points. 

[carefreeluke]

14 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think Robertson’s is a clear red card btw, but I do think the referee is responsible for letting things go out of control.

And talking consistency… Kane should have seen red for his challenge. So yeah, we got a legitimate red but they should have been down to 10 pretty early on in that match so it’s pretty easy to feel aggrieved.

Standard of refereeing is just pretty unacceptably poor for this level far too frequently. Look how many contentious decisions we’ve talked about in this thread, piss poor officiating.

But I still maintain the most egregious is just not sending off a player for an obvious red card. Golden boy or not, that’s always going to piss off opposing fans.

I've seen a few clips of the decisions but missed the game so I may be missing something.

However, just judging by the different interpretations and views towards the incidents in this thread, how can consistency to referee decisions always be applied? If so many interpretations exist in this thread alone. I think consistency has and will improve with VAR but even with it, 'consistency' is something unattainable in this sport. VAR should have done something with the Kane challenge and that's where the criticism should lie.

I don't know why it's also so acceptable for Klopp to act like that with Paul Tierney immediately after the game and then later also in the press. As soon as people walk onto the football pitch it gives them the right to act like they want. I understand the annoyance and the pressure of his job but you can't just walk around laying into people like that. 

Referees have always been shit, technology has and will help things but it's just how it is. Try to name one good referee in your lifetime. It's too difficult of a job to demand consistency and such high standards, with so much interpretation and rapid decision making involved.

[Rick]

1 hour ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Titles pretty much down now, no way Manchester City will drop that many points. 

What? 3? The have Leicester & Arsenal in the next few, so I wouldn’t engrave their name in that cup JUST yet. That being said, I also think we will drop a few more points in this next 6 weeks especially. If the ACON is cancelled then we may be able to keep pace. 
 

I don’t know how anybody can look at the Kane challenge and say it isn’t a red. And I don’t understand how you can look at the Jota incident as anything other than a stonewall pen. It’s not a matter of opinion, you’re just fucking wrong. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

5 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Also, why is 60,000 people shouting ‘we pay your benefits’ acceptable? 
 

Spurs support is full of awful, Home Counties tits who look down their nose at actual Tottenham.

The whole country hate Scousers and also think it’s alright to mock poverty. It’s one of the reasons there’s no hope for the UK tbh.

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, carefreeluke said:

I've seen a few clips of the decisions but missed the game so I may be missing something.

However, just judging by the different interpretations and views towards the incidents in this thread, how can consistency to referee decisions always be applied? If so many interpretations exist in this thread alone. I think consistency has and will improve with VAR but even with it, 'consistency' is something unattainable in this sport. VAR should have done something with the Kane challenge and that's where the criticism should lie.

I don't know why it's also so acceptable for Klopp to act like that with Paul Tierney immediately after the game and then later also in the press. As soon as people walk onto the football pitch it gives them the right to act like they want. I understand the annoyance and the pressure of his job but you can't just walk around laying into people like that. 

Referees have always been shit, technology has and will help things but it's just how it is. Try to name one good referee in your lifetime. It's too difficult of a job to demand consistency and such high standards, with so much interpretation and rapid decision making involved.

Paul Tierney’s either one of the worst refs in the history of top flight refereeing or he’s biased against us. Klopp’s probably trying to make sure he never gets Tierney refereeing a match for us again, which probably won’t happen, so the alternative is to put a spotlight on Tierney for the next times he’s refereeing against us.

Do I think it’s particularly fair for Tierney? Nah, it definitely isn’t. But do I think it’s particularly fair that I think we’re constantly playing against Tierney when he’s officiating the match? Nah, it definitely isn’t.

And if I feel like that just watching them, I imagine the manager and players definitely feel it.

Plus people loved it when it was Mourinho or that baconfaced arsehole at United doing the same shite…

[Stan]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Plus people loved it when it was Mourinho or that baconfaced arsehole at United doing the same shite…

non-Chelsea and non-Utd fans really didn't 'love it'...