Lucas 3,827 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 I saw a debate on Twitter yesterday about who was the better of the three (Going to assume Iniesta/Xavi left out to make the debate much closer) Cesc was brilliant at such an early age and retained that consistancy at Arsenal, Barcelona and Chelsea. Thiago has gained the plaudits for his part in Bayern's triumphs, not to mention his current form. But surely...surely when everything is taken into account, its David Silva no? Magician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,382 Posted April 28, 2022 Administrator Share Posted April 28, 2022 David Silva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Cesc for me. Easily. Since he was 18 he's been performing at a consistent level at both club level and the national side. Could play as the holder, as a number 6, as a 10 or a false 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 I think it is a weird comparison of the three when you look at where and how they have played throughout their careers. Thiago nearly exclusively in the centre, Fabregas as a centre-forward, and Silva was pretty much a wide-forward for ages like you see at Man City right now with Foden and De Bruyne and those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,382 Posted April 28, 2022 Administrator Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Spike said: Fabregas as a centre-forward, Centre-forward? Not for the whole of his career, or any reasonable length of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Just now, Stan said: Centre-forward? Not for the whole of his career, or any reasonable length of time. I didn't say that, and yes he did play centre-forward often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,501 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Cicero said: Cesc for me. Easily. Since he was 18 he's been performing at a consistent level at both club level and the national side. Could play as the holder, as a number 6, as a 10 or a false 9. At club level David Silva but for country Fabregas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,382 Posted April 28, 2022 Administrator Share Posted April 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Spike said: I didn't say that, and yes he did play centre-forward often Often where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, MUFC said: At club level David Silva but for country Fabregas. Disagree. Cesc was playing in the Champions League final at 18. He started his career as a holder for Arsenal, then moved to being a deep lying playmaker, then as a #10. Went to Barca and experienced his best productive output as a false 9, where he then moved to Chelsea and experienced even more success as a deep lying playmaker. Since 18 he's played at three different clubs, in multiple positions, and still bloody consistent as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stan said: Often where? Barcelona and Spain. Christ Stan, it was only ten years ago, it was all over the news when he played as a false 9 for del Bosque and Martino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,501 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Cicero said: Disagree. Cesc was playing in the Champions League final at 18. He started his career as a holder for Arsenal, then moved to being a deep lying playmaker, then as a #10. Went to Barca and experienced his best productive output as a false 9, where he then moved to Chelsea and experienced even more success as a deep lying playmaker. Since 18 he's played at three different clubs, in multiple positions, and still bloody consistent as always. He played in the CL final at 18, but I'm not too sure how much that really matters. The CL run was more towards the form of Henry that season in the CL for them. They also had other players like Freddie, Pires and Gilberto Silva. But Fabregas was still young and play a part. He's been versatile no doubt but I don't see how this makes him a better player. Am sure because he played for your club maybe the reason you're geared towards Cesc who was no doubt a great player. But for their clubs purely on performances I'd go for Silva and I think most neutrals would think the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Fabregas started well but really lost the hype when he went to Barce and it didn’t really work out there. Silva has been instrumental in Spain and City’s dominance. Thiago world class for Bayern and Liverpool now. For club and international level, and the level of ability they reached its David Silva for me. But Thiago is still playing and could easily take it in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, MUFC said: He played in the CL final at 18, but I'm not too sure how much that really matters. The CL run was more towards the form of Henry that season in the CL for them. They also had other players like Freddie, Pires and Gilberto Silva. But Fabregas was still young and play a part. He's been versatile no doubt but I don't see how this makes him a better player. Am sure because he played for your club maybe the reason you're geared towards Cesc who was no doubt a great player. But for their clubs purely on performances I'd go for Silva and I think most neutrals would think the same. To each their own. I for one believe recency bias is playing into effect here with Silva. For Cesc, we are talking about 11 years of consistency. 11. This has nothing to do with club bias considering his best performances came in an Arsenal kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,501 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Just now, Cicero said: To each their own. I for one believe recency bias is playing into effect here with Silva. For Cesc, we are talking about 11 years of consistency. 11. This has nothing to do with club bias considering his best performances came in an Arsenal kit. True each to their own. I feel that the season we did the double in 2007-2008 when we beat you in the CL final. That season was the Cesc I enjoyed watching the most. Young, fit, immense movement and his eye of the needle passes were immense. I remember them leading the table for most of the season. To this day I believed they'd have won the title that season if Eduardo never broke his leg. That had a real impact on the Arsenal side mentally. I remember the game he broke his leg and Birmingham scored a last minute penalty to make it 2-2. Gallas sat on the at full time for like ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,185 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 They're all a bit different in terms of style, imo. In terms of pure talent, I think Silva's the best of the 3. Just a great player to watch, both at Valencia and City. In terms of longevity - they're all pretty much up there. I really do respect how Cesc was asked to reinvent himself at certain points in his career and he did it really well. And I think he was an absolutely incredible player. In terms of being the best as a deep lying playmaker, I think Thiago wins that - but I'm not sure that's fair on Silva because he was mostly an attacking midfielder, both in the centre and out wide. And like I said, I think in terms of pure talent... Silva's the best. Thiago is fun to watch though because of his incredible range of passing and the way he handles the ball just looks silky smooth - but honestly all of these 3 have an incredible range of passing and looked silky smooth on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,899 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 This one's easy ..Phil Foden, you cant argue with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,501 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Why isn't Fred in the debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,185 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, MUFC said: Why isn't Fred in the debate? Partially because he's not a Spanish international, partially cos he's shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 1,190 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Cesc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Cicero said: To each their own. I for one believe recency bias is playing into effect here with Silva. For Cesc, we are talking about 11 years of consistency. 11. This has nothing to do with club bias considering his best performances came in an Arsenal kit. Recency bias!? They played at the same fucking time for most of their career!!! David Silva for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Probably silva for me, although Fabregas probably had the higher peak, and I've seen the least of Thiago so could be giving him a raw deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted 1,776 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I think Thiago is maybe the best out of the three in a deeper role, combining being the main playmaker with a major defensive contribution, but idk because the only time I saw Cesc playing in a deeper role was Chelsea, where he had one amazing season, and then seemed to be treated as a bit of a liability by Conte and Sarri. I was too young to see him when he broke through at Arsenal and really know what kind of a midfielder he was there. I am pretty sure that David Silva never played in that kind of role, so that's also a hard comparison. As a wide attacking mid, I feel like Silva would be the best because he played in that position most of out of the 3. Thiago kinda broke through as that sort of player I think, but quickly developed into more of a conventional centre-mid. I feel like Cesc could be put first because he had significant stretches of playing in pretty much every creative or attacking position at an extremely high level, which you can't say for Thiago or David Silva. But Thiago and David Silva are maybe more specialised in their respective roles than Cesc was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 11 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Recency bias!? They played at the same fucking time for most of their career!!! David Silva for me. David Silva is also older than Fabregas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,501 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I'd take Thiago out of this debate and replace him with Fernando Alonso. He was superb for both Liverpool and Real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,382 Posted April 29, 2022 Administrator Share Posted April 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, MUFC said: I'd take Thiago out of this debate and replace him with Fernando Alonso. He was superb for both Liverpool and Real. He was really good at turning players and was very quick running in straight lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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