SirBalon 2,692 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 These are 20 years worth of newspaper headlines drawn up on the front pages of Britain's newspapers. A blogger called Tom Pride done the hard work of drawing them up and here we see just a decent proportion of the lies and myths fed to many innocent people everyday and in some cases fed to people that just need an enemy to exist. I've copied and pasted from his blog... I have to say that most of the headlines are hilarious and it beggars belief how anyone could even begin to believe them. Just a a few words from myself before I paste the headlines... All this out there for so long trying to persuade us that somehow the Europeans, the EU were and are our enemies. It's sad really because away from the conditioning or just the blatant search for a method to sell more newspapers, this is in actual fact a failure of journalism, a failure of British journalism in this case (not saying journalism isn't bad elsewhere, but this is serious). I'd like to believe that the reason behind the front pages for all of two decades wasn't some evil form of conditioning for any particular reason much less a possible referendum 18 years later... I doubt there are real soothsayers in Fleet Street... Just a method to sell newspapers because unfortunately there is a fair share of the populous on this island that want to believe these things and pay to consume those lies. But then you have someone like Boris Johnson, a politician, a man that has been part of the cabinet of the UK's government, a mayor of one of the most important cities on the planet and with the responsibility given to him by the people of this country to at least not lie, be honest and offer the best for the country... You have this disgusting excuse for a man (I still have reservations on whether or not he is in actual fact of the same species as me) also acting part time as a journalist, having the opportunity to write his columns on one of Britain's most established newspapers. Read this next bit, it's important because here is a man that resigned from his job leaving his Prime Minister in limbo and undermining her best efforts to provide an impossible task... In the middle of June 2016 this man wrote TWO COLUMNS (not one, but two) for that particular day's edition. One column for why he was going for remain and one why he was going to opt for the leave the EU option. Then he sat there thinking "What's best for my career?" And he decided to tell everyone why he would and we should all vote to leave. This is the type of deceptive man he is and he isn't alone in that party (we can all muster the names). He has spent 30 years using these same methods to rise within politics and within his party. This type of conjuring trick, this deception and this deceit... With this he's seen himself grow fat on it (there not speaking about his obvious repulsive physical appearance and I'm not talking size)... While we the people were being denied knowledge and understanding on all these important issues. A personal gain for a selfish self serving individual. This is why we've ended up in such a mess and with this final statement I'm not just placing the blame at the feet of such a ridiculous individual because our politics have been full of them and we can all cite lies and falsehoods from both sides of the spectrum in British politics over the years in all different spheres and terrible decisions. Here I leave you the method in which conditioning is sort via the all powerful media... Over to Tom Pride's hard work publishing other's curious and questionable work revolving lies. Forget about Russian meddling or US companies pushing fake and ‘dark’ news on the internet to influence the Brexit vote. Fake news to influence the UK public to vote for Brexit has mostly come from our very own so-called professional journalists right here in the UK. Here’s a list of fake news by the UK press over the last 20 years. Every single story here has been debunked as fake news. It’s hard to pick just one but my personal favourites are ‘Euronotes cause impotence‘ by the Daily Mail and ‘EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts‘ from the always entertaining Daily Express. Read through the list and vote for your own ‘favourite’ in the comments section below – the most popular will win a ‘prize’for ‘Most Ridiculous EU Fake News’. Enjoy (or maybe despair): EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph Straight cucumbers – The Sun Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express 21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry – The Independent Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts – Daily Express 2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU – Daily Mirror EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined – Daily Star Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU – The Sun EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys – The Sun British rhubarb to be straight – The Sun EU to ban rocking horses – The Sun Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU – Daily Telegraph Brussels ban on pints of shandy – The Times “High up” signs to be put on mountains – BBC Euronotes cause impotence – Daily Mail EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook – Daily Mail Strawberries must be oval – The Sun EU orders swings to be pulled down – Daily Express Tea bags banned from being recycled – BBC British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo – The Sun Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment – Daily Telegraph Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU – Daily Star EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ – Sunday Mirror EU to ban zipper trousers – The Sun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,204 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 It's not a surprise that the press have been pro-Brexit, even before Brexit Brussels was portrayed as the Death Star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 17 hours ago, SirBalon said: My hope is that enough to chaos is created so as we can have another referendum and I can right my personal wrong. In my view, the course of action with a happy "mid-term development" (I won't write "ending" because of obvious reasons) for remainers would be something like this: 1) angry pro-remain mobs demonstrating, with pitchforks and torches, just for the comedic value. 2) May calling a second referendum before the actual date of brexit on 2 options: a) brexiting in whatever deal they have in hand by that time (nothing or this deal) and b) a Brexit in Name Only (BINO), with the full complicity of the European Commission and Council. 3) BINO option winning. 4) UK exiting (thus respecting people's "well-informed" will), but in name only (thus respecting the people's will about the terms of the UK exit). 5) After BINO brexit, calling a plebiscitary general election on re-entry (the best option, although this would simply tore the tories apart, and parties don't do that to themselves) or a third referendum for re-entering EU. 6) the option for re-entering EU winning at the ballots. 7) The UK re-entering EU in less than a year, and hopefully (for britons) with all those "privileges" they had before exiting. Of course, I don't think it is going to happen, although I am just a misinformed foreigner writing in botched english. My guess of what it is actually going to happen: a new election which will focus on how pitiful Theresa May's been (including her dancing style) instead of on any notion of seizing the opportunity for changing the course of action (because Corbyn actually wants brexit and because the tories don't want to split in two). This election will solve nothing and will induce a downward spiral of political chaos, hitting both the UK and the EU hard, particularly the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Kowabunga said: In my view, the course of action with a happy "mid-term development" (I won't write "ending" because of obvious reasons) for remainers would be something like this: 1) angry pro-remain mobs demonstrating, with pitchforks and torches, just for the comedic value. 2) May calling a second referendum before the actual date of brexit on 2 options: a) brexiting in whatever deal they have in hand by that time (nothing or this deal) and b) a Brexit in Name Only (BINO), with the full complicity of the European Commission and Council. 3) BINO option winning. 4) UK exiting (thus respecting people's "well-informed" will), but in name only (thus respecting the people's will about the terms of the UK exit). 5) After BINO brexit, calling a plebiscitary general election on re-entry (the best option, although this would simply tore the tories apart, and parties don't do that to themselves) or a third referendum for re-entering EU. 6) the option for re-entering EU winning at the ballots. 7) The UK re-entering EU in less than a year, and hopefully (for britons) with all those "privileges" they had before exiting. Of course, I don't think it is going to happen, although I am just a misinformed foreigner writing in botched english. My guess of what it is actually going to happen: a new election which will focus on how pitiful Theresa May's been (including her dancing style) instead of on any notion of seizing the opportunity for changing the course of action (because Corbyn actually wants brexit and because the tories don't want to split in two). This election will solve nothing and will induce a downward spiral of political chaos, hitting both the UK and the EU hard, particularly the former. Well the deal Mrs May has created and had accepted is exactly that, your BINO. The EU stays in practically total control of the UK but we maintain some of the important things we need so as to not totally collapse as a nation... She's actually done pretty well although the press will roast her and of course, it doesn't really make anyone happy for obvious reasons, neither Remainers and of course Leavers. But, as I said further up, this deal she's mustered does actually represent the result of the Brexit Referendum which finished 51.9% for Leave and 48.1% for Remain... The Leavers consistently go on about things like a Hard Brexit with No Deal by displaying their total hatred of the EU (I really do want to take it further than just calling it hatred of the EU with many leavers) and trying to dictate a pathway for Britain into the abyss by severing all ties with the EU. But of course as one can see, the result chops the country almost in half because there was no whitewash for this dream of "Britain is an island and we don't want anybody unless we want somebody"... Plus many that voted Leave like myself didn't want that sort of Brexit and didn't base it solely on wanting out of Freedom of Movement.. In other words not every Brexiter was anti emigration or had some hatred of people that spoke a different language, because the Brown People coming over scenario must surely be untrue as they do know that Brown People come from elsewhere and not Europe. As you can imagine mate, it's a very complexed situation and no matter what happens, nobody is going to be happy. Nobody except for those that love to observe chaos and self inflicting disaster. I have to say that I should have myself checked out psychologically because I've thoroughly enjoyed the Donald Trump victory and tenure in the US so far because of how ridiculous it all is... Mostly finding it comical than shocking. So maybe my Brexit vote didn't have any weird conditions and it was a secret side of my sorry brain that loves to observe chaotic moments that are self inflicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Again, it's a withdrawal agreement. It's not the future relationship. One common theme in this thread has always been the sheer number of words constantly being typed about the referendum vote and the abject lack of substantial words about what is at hand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Not every European thinks Brexit is the problem with the UK. Message in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,360 Posted November 16, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) As I have mentioned in here before I am not much into politics & politicians but this Brexit has got me interested and I have always liked Boris Johnson and always thought he would make a good Tory leader, but when I thought about it a bit more I kept getting that horrible feeling that he reminded me of the late Tory leader Sir Edward Heath, the guy that bought us into the EC, Boris wants us out. Looking at some of the candidates below I would fancy David Davis, his way of thinking is pursuing a Canada-style trade deal with the EU, I quite like that but I am not a Tory man or voter so I will just have to wait and see when Theresa May who thinks she is the late Maggie Thatcher gets the boot from number 10 Downing Street. Who could replace Theresa May? As Brexiteers move against the Prime Minister because of her deal 'betrayal' these are some of the leading contenders to take over Tim Sculthorpe, Deputy Political Editor For Mailonline 19 hrs ago Theresa May looks certain to face a vote of no confidence after her Brexit deal was rejected out of hand by Eurosceptics. If she loses the Tory Party will launch a leadership contest to replace her - a process that will likely take weeks with just months until Brexit Day. These are some of the leading contenders to replace her: Dominic Raab Newly installed as Brexit Secretary, Dominic Raab (pictured in Downing Street on Tuesday) is trying to negotiate Theresa May's Brexit deal How did they vote on Brexit? Leave, with a second-tier role campaigning for Vote Leave. What is their view now? Mr Raab was installed as Brexit Secretary to deliver the Chequers plan but sensationally resigned today saying the deal is not good enough. What are their chances? Being the first to resign from the Cabinet has put a rocket booster under Mr Raab's chances, fuelling his popularity among the hardline Brexiteers. May struggle to overcome bigger beasts and better-known figures. Odds: About 11-2 Boris Johnson Rated as second favourite by the bookies, Boris Johnson's (pictured at Tory conference earlier this month) biggest challenge will be navigating the Tory leadership rules How did they vote on Brexit? Led the Vote Leave campaign alongside Michael Gove. What is their view now? Hardline Brexiteer demanding a clean break from Brussels. The former foreign secretary is violently opposed to Theresa May's Chequers plan and a leading voice demanding a Canada-style trade deal. What are their chances? Rated as second favourite by the bookies, Mr Johnson's biggest challenge will be navigating the Tory leadership rules. He may be confident of winning a run-off among Tory members but must first be selected as one of the top two candidates by Conservative MPs. Odds: 5/1 Sajid Javid Sajid Javid (pictured in Downing Street on Tuesday) is probably the leading candidate from inside the Cabinet after his dramatic promotion to Home Secretary How did they vote on Brexit? Remain but kept a low profile in the referendum. What is their view now? Pro delivering Brexit and sceptical of the soft Brexit options. What are their chances? Probably the leading candidate from inside the Cabinet after his dramatic promotion to Home Secretary. Mr Javid has set himself apart from Mrs May on a series of policies, notably immigration. Favourite with several of the bookies at around 5/1. Jeremy Hunt Jeremy Hunt's (pictured in London on Monday) stock rose during his record-breaking stint at the Department of Health and won a major promotion to the Foreign Office after Mr Johnson's resignation How did they vote on Brexit? Remain. What is their view now? The Foreign Secretary claims the EU Commission's 'arrogance' has made him a Brexiteer. What are their chances? Another top contender inside Cabinet, Mr Hunt's stock rose during his record-breaking stint at the Department of Health and won a major promotion to the Foreign Office after Mr Johnson's resignation. Widely seen as a safe pair of hands which could be an advantage if the contest comes suddenly. Rated around 8/1 by the bookies. David Davis David Davis (pictured last month at a Brexiteer policy launch) is seen as a safer pair of hands than Mr Johnson and across the detail of the current negotiation after two years as Brexit Secretary How did they vote on Brexit? Leave. What is their view now? Leave and a supporter of scrapping Mrs May's plan and pursuing a Canada-style trade deal with the EU. What are their chances? The favoured choice of many hard Brexiteers. Seen as a safer pair of hands than Mr Johnson and across the detail of the current negotiation after two years as Brexit Secretary. He could be promoted a caretaker to see through Brexit before standing down. Unlikely to be the choice of Remain supporters inside the Tory Party - and has been rejected by the Tory membership before, in the 2005 race against David Cameron. Rated around 11/1 by the bookies. Amber Rudd Popular among Conservative MPs as the voice of Cameron-style Toryism, Amber Rudd (pictured at Tory conference earlier this month) is still seen as a contender despite resigning amid the Windrush scandal How did they vote on Brexit? Remain. Represented Britain Stronger in Europe in the TV debates. What is their view now? Strongly remain and supportive of a second referendum - particularly given a choice between that and no deal. What are their chances? Popular among Conservative MPs as the voice of Cameron-style Toryism, Ms Rudd is still seen as a contender despite resigning amid the Windrush scandal. Badly hampered by having a tiny majority in her Hastings constituency and would not be able to unite the Tory party in a sudden contest over the Brexit negotiation. Out to 50/1 among many bookies. Penny Mordaunt Possible dark horse in the contest, Penny Mordaunt (pictured in Downing Street on Tuesday) is not well known to the public but is seen as a contender in Westminster How did they vote on Brexit? Leave What is their view now? Leave and subject of persistent rumour she could be the next to quit Cabinet over Mrs May's Brexit deal. What are their chances? Possible dark horse in the contest, Ms Mordaunt is not well known to the public but is seen as a contender in Westminster. She has been encouraged to join the Cabinet revolt over the Brexit deal and could resign within hours. Bookies rate her around 16/1. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/who-could-replace-theresa-may-as-brexiteers-move-against-the-prime-minister-because-of-her-deal-betrayal-these-are-some-of-the-leading-contenders-to-take-over/ar-BBPK6P2?li=BBoPRmx Edited November 16, 2018 by CaaC - John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 29 minutes ago, Harvsky said: Again, it's a withdrawal agreement. It's not the future relationship. One common theme in this thread has always been the sheer number of words constantly being typed about the referendum vote and the abject lack of substantial words about what is at hand now. Are you goddamn crazy?! What do want us to do? to read the 585 pages of (not the art of) the "deal"?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, CaaC - John said: Boris wants us out. 10 hours ago, SirBalon said: In the middle of June 2016 this man wrote TWO COLUMNS (not one, but two) for that particular day's edition. One column for why he was going for remain and one why he was going to opt for the leave the EU option. Then he sat there thinking "What's best for my career?" And he decided to tell everyone why he would and we should all vote to leave. Another one that believes in unicorns or is unfortunately led down the garden path... Did you read my post mate? That bit I quoted from myself is Mr (bumbling fool) Boris Johnson. The conditioning and making people believe lies is why we're in this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,360 Posted November 16, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, SirBalon said: Another one that believes in unicorns or is unfortunately led down the garden path... Did you read my post mate? That bit I quoted from myself is Mr (bumbling fool) Boris Johnson. The conditioning and making people believe lies is why we're in this mess. 1 I read your post buddy but I try to get involved when I can but people like you and others are more clued up than I am so I will go by that. But hey!! I believe in Unicorns, why not, our youngest grandson's tooth came out the other day and the wife said when she was putting him to bed "Grannie will put the tooth under your pillow and the tooth fairy will come and take it away and leave you some money instead", he looked at the wife and said "How much are you going to put under the pillow grannie when you take my tooth away?"...he is only 5 years old so there is hope for me yet. Edited November 16, 2018 by CaaC - John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 29 minutes ago, CaaC - John said: I read your post buddy but I try to get involved when I can but people like you and others are more clued up than I am so I will go by that. But hey!! I believe in Unicorns, why not, our youngest grandson's tooth came out the other day and the wife said when she was putting him to bed "Grannie will put the tooth under your pillow and the tooth fairy will come and take it away and leave you some money instead", he looked at the wife and said "How much are you going to put under the pillow grannie when you take my tooth away?"...he is only 5 years old so there is hope for me yet. That can actually be used as an analogy mate... You told your grandson that fairies exist and that they would leave a gift in exchange for his tooth. But it was yourselves that done this because fairies don't exist. I wasn't clued up at all on voting and done what every citizen tends to do which is to use the campaigning to make a choice as those that campaign have the responsibility to offer us the information so as to make the decision that best befits our reasoning. They lied! They lied on a large scale and what's left over (partition that as you will) was because they had as much knowledge of the situation they were leading their country into as you or I did. Dont believe the rhetoric mate! The truth, the real facts are that we made a terrible mistake. There were no enemies, they were fabricated! Check the ridiculous newspaper headlines for over 20 years on supposed EU rules they wanted to impose on us (not even included are the anti-immigration headlines which have been excluded and were many) which were all lies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,360 Posted November 16, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted November 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, SirBalon said: I wasn't clued up at all on voting and done what every citizen tends to do which is to use the campaigning to make a choice as those that campaign have the responsibility to offer us the information so as to make the decision that best befits our reasoning. They lied! They lied on a large scale and what's left over (partition that as you will) was because they had as much knowledge of the situation they were leading their country into as you or I did. Dont believe the rhetoric mate! The truth, the real facts are that we made a terrible mistake. There were no enemies, they were fabricated! 2 They all lie, they make promises they don't keep, anyway, just saw this if it's true or not on the BBC Webpage... 11:33 48 no confidence letters reached Sky's deputy political editor tweets... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-46200010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 the LBC caller who called her Neville Chamberlain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,380 Posted November 16, 2018 Administrator Share Posted November 16, 2018 How has Amber Rudd got a job so quickly again ?! Absolutely mad given her handling of the Windrush scandal. Oh and the fact she's a remainer. Surely May would want to bring a Brexiter back in to government, as opposed to someone who could stifle her?? Will be intriguing to see how she handles being Work & Pensions Secretary. That's been a proper shitstorm since the plans (and implementation) of Universal Credit were announced. So many problems to solve with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Stan said: How has Amber Rudd got a job so quickly again ?! Absolutely mad given her handling of the Windrush scandal. Oh and the fact she's a remainer. Surely May would want to bring a Brexiter back in to government, as opposed to someone who could stifle her?? Will be intriguing to see how she handles being Work & Pensions Secretary. That's been a proper shitstorm since the plans (and implementation) of Universal Credit were announced. So many problems to solve with that. I think right now she probably has to face down the ERG rather than appease them. If they can't overthrow her they will be almost forced to accept the deal or bring their own party down. Some of these ERG guys have been against the negotiation strategy since September 2016. Like the continuity remain element who refuse to attempt to find a solution they were predisposed to reject anything May offered. They made their minds up the deal was bad without being able to articulate why since they hadn't read or understood any of it yet. They'll now go through it and find confirmation biases that suit their argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Stan said: How has Amber Rudd got a job so quickly again ?! Absolutely mad given her handling of the Windrush scandal. Oh and the fact she's a remainer. Surely May would want to bring a Brexiter back in to government, as opposed to someone who could stifle her?? Will be intriguing to see how she handles being Work & Pensions Secretary. That's been a proper shitstorm since the plans (and implementation) of Universal Credit were announced. So many problems to solve with that. May had Brexiteers in her cabinet and they stabbed her in the back. Looking out for their future careers, so I’m not surprised she’s trying a different method. They’re all incompetent anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke 722 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 What do we reckon is going to happen with free movement and living and working abroad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machado 1,710 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Great briefing of the current situation: https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2018/11/16/the-brutal-reality-of-brexit/#62563e4f5fb1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 49 minutes ago, carefreeluke said: What do we reckon is going to happen with free movement and living and working abroad? Do you have a passport or ID card from an EU member state? I say this with the belief that you were born in the UK, have a UK passport and have no claim to origins from outside the UK. Because if you have any of the former, then you will be free to move where you like within the EU and also enjoy the freedom to enter your country of birth if it is indeed within the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God is Haaland 618 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 https://archive.fo/CDBFf Just a little reminder this is what was promised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I'm really worried about us running out of mars bars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 The tory backbenches are dark and full of terrors: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 The slavery analogies are really unnecessary and unpleasant, these people are totally ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 23:40, Machado said: Great briefing of the current situation: https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2018/11/16/the-brutal-reality-of-brexit/#62563e4f5fb1 The frozen Brexit thing has been disproven. The date was agreed today, 2022 is the latest extension point. People jumped the gun when the withdrawal agreement used XX in the date and started printing the idea that the extension can last til the end of the century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,360 Posted November 23, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) Study shows 60% of Britons believe in conspiracy theories Esther Addley | 18 hrs ago Sixty percent of British people believe at least one conspiracy theory about how the country is run or the veracity of the information they are given, a major new study has found, part of a pattern of deep distrust of authority that has become widespread across Europe and the US. In the UK, people who supported Brexit are considerably more likely to give credence to conspiracy theories than those who opposed it, with 71% of leave voters believing at least one theory compared with 49% of remain voters. Almost half (47%) of leave voters believe the government has deliberately concealed the truth about how many immigrants live in the UK, versus 14% of remain voters. A striking 31% of leave voters believe that Muslim immigration is part of a wider plot to make Muslims the majority in Britain, a conspiracy theory that originated in French far-right circles that are known as the “great replacement”. The comparable figure for remain voters is 6%. The disparities between those who voted for Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the US is even more stark, where 47% of Trump voters believe that man-made global warming is a hoax, compared with 2.3% of Clinton voters. The figures are the result of a large-scale international project conducted over six years and in nine countries by researchers at the University of Cambridge and YouGov, funded by the Leverhulme Trust. The study is the most comprehensive examination of conspiracy theories ever conducted, and marks the first time academics have explored questions of conspiracy beliefs, social trust and news consumption habits across different countries. The researchers also found: • 15% of leave voters and 11% of remain voters in Britain believe that, regardless of who is officially in charge in government, the world is run by a secret global cabal of people who control events together. • The most widespread conspiracy belief in the UK, shared by 44% of people, is that “even though we live in what’s called a democracy, a few people will always run things in this country anyway”. • Mistrust of authority is high in the UK, with 77% of people trusting journalists “not much” or “not at all”, 76% distrusting British government ministers, and 74% distrusting company bosses. • Friends and family, by contrast, were trusted by 87% and 89% of respondents respectively, potentially adding credence to news sources shared by social media contacts. • Remain voters are more likely (50%) to use social media regularly for news than leave voters (34%), and more likely to read a newspaper website (by 41% to 18%). Of those who got their news from social media, Facebook was used frequently by more leave voters than remainders (74% leave, 65% remain), while the opposite was true of Twitter (39% remain, 28% leave). • Of the countries surveyed, Sweden is the least credulous of conspiracy theories, with 52% believing one or more of the theories polled by the researchers, as opposed to 85% for Hungary. In the US that figure is 64% and in France 76%. Professor John Naughton, director of the press fellowship programme at Wolfson College and one of three Cambridge University professors who led the research, said the study, which began in 2012, had been born out of an attempt to look at the “natural history” of conspiracy theories. The researchers had tried to be as broad as possible in their definition of the term as “a theory that some actors have conspired to do something covertly, usually something dysfunctional or evil”. As part of the study, they polled respondents about 10 theories, all of which had emerged from their research, in order to test how widely they were held. “Conspiracy theories are, and as far as we can tell always have been, a pretty important part of life in many societies, and most of the time that has gone beneath the radar of the established media,” said Naughton. “Insofar as people thought of conspiracy theories at all, we thought of them as crazy things that crazy people believed, [and that] didn’t seem to have much impact on democracy.” That dismissive attitude changed after the Brexit vote and the election of Donald Trump in 2016, he said. “Whatever else you think of Trump, he is a born conspiracy theorist. Trump was a kind of catalyst, in that somehow his election had the effect of mainstreaming conspiracy theories.” In fact, the prevalence of conspiracy beliefs in human societies suggests they may have a function, said Naughton. “It’s a way of trying to make sense of a complex and confusing world for an ordinary citizen.” Fewer people, in the UK at least, believed some of the other theories tested by the researchers, including that the official account of the Holocaust was a lie (2%), that human contact with aliens had been hushed up (8%), that the truth about vaccines was being hidden (10%) and that the Aids virus was created and spread on purpose (believed by 4% of Britons, but 12% of French). Dr. Hugo Leal, one of the project’s researchers, said he and the other academics had been startled by the proportion of Trump and Brexit supporters who said they believed the grand replacement theory. “This is intertwined with a broader conspiratorial outlook, which seems to link the Trump and Brexit camps. Indeed, both sides share attitudes and sentiments that transcend the mere conservative ideological affiliation. Our study shows that conspiracy theories are a central element to understanding a common political culture, which most scholars find hard to fathom.” He described the shared attitudes as a “transatlantic conspiratorial axis”. More than 11,500 people were surveyed online by YouGov across nine countries: France, Germany, UK, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, and the US. The British sample size was 2,171 adults, which was weighted to be representative. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/study-shows-60percent-of-britons-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/ar-BBPZF28?li=AAnZ9Ug Edited November 23, 2018 by CaaC - John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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