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Bluebird Hewitt

The United Kingdom Votes to Leave the European Union; Article 50 Triggered

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So it's unfortunate that people like Hitchens entertain the notion of a fourth Reich, which he clearly does, when Germany doesn't rule the EU alone and it's only power derives from it's economy.

Hitchens seems to project his own nationalism onto the Germans and adopts the Nazi POV as if there is something in the genes of the Germans that makes their sole purpose to rule Europe and conquer to the East. After all, every bit of history we need to know about Germany are the 12 years of the Third Reich.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Machado said:

So it's unfortunate that people like Hitchens entertain the notion of a fourth Reich, which he clearly does, when Germany doesn't rule the EU alone and it's only power derives from it's economy.

Hitchens seems to project his own nationalism onto the Germans and adopts the Nazi POV as if there is something in the genes of the Germans that makes their sole purpose to rule Europe and conquer to the East. After all, every bit of history we need to know about Germany are the 12 years of the Third Reich. 

 

 

I don't see that at all, I think Hitchens has an overly romanticised position of Britain's former position in the world but he's in no way comparing modern Germany to its Nazi past, he goes to great lengths to criticise Britain for involving itself in WW1 and laments the hostility to Germany. Germany quite simply IS the most powerful nation on the continent, this will always be the case. The EU is way of making this fact into a workable relationship, I think using the word 'German empire' is a little inflammatory but the point he's trying to make is not far from the truth.

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It’s because despite all these remainers creaming over bs polls in which they’ve put a 3rd option to split the leave vote so remain looks popular again, the Tory’s know from their consistents that if May takes them & this deal to a general election they will be decimated. The fucking stubborn cunt won’t go though. 

At least she has a new answer to what’s the worst thing you’ve done “botched Brexit, decimating the Tory party and handing the keys to no 10 to an anti Semitic terrorist sympathising Marxist, who will then decimate the country” is better than running through a corn field. 

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1 hour ago, Fairy In Boots said:

It’s because despite all these remainers creaming over bs polls in which they’ve put a 3rd option to split the leave vote so remain looks popular again, the Tory’s know from their consistents that if May takes them & this deal to a general election they will be decimated. The fucking stubborn cunt won’t go though. 

At least she has a new answer to what’s the worst thing you’ve done “botched Brexit, decimating the Tory party and handing the keys to no 10 to an anti Semitic terrorist sympathising Marxist, who will then decimate the country” is better than running through a corn field. 

Anna Soubry who is an MP for the constituency for Broxtowe in Nottinghamshire publicly stated on a radio debate that she would go for a new referendum and try to convince her constituents that staying is in the best interests of all now that we have all the facts.  This from a constituency MP where her constituents voted by a majority to leave.

She said that her duty is to the country as a Member of Parliament and acting upon the knowledge of what's best for the people she represents. 

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And relevant to why Theresa May has rushed off to talk to European leaders on the Irish Border issue...

 

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8 hours ago, SirBalon said:

Anna Soubry who is an MP for the constituency for Broxtowe in Nottinghamshire publicly stated on a radio debate that she would go for a new referendum and try to convince her constituents that staying is in the best interests of all now that we have all the facts.  This from a constituency MP where her constituents voted by a majority to leave.

She said that her duty is to the country as a Member of Parliament and acting upon the knowledge of what's best for the people she represents. 

And Anna Soubry will lose her seat, she’s politically irrelevant and will only fade away. As will Tory support, grassroots Tory’s are Eurosceptics and massively at odds with the politicians. I can genuinely see the party splitting

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28 minutes ago, Stan said:

May gets vote of confidence by her party.

 

Over 100 votes against though.

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3 minutes ago, Cannabis said:

Over 100 votes against though.

Yep. Not a very good result for her, despite the 'confidence' vote. 

It's like the 'dreaded vote of confidence' in FM!

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Just watching BBC News and Jacob Rees Mogg looks an awful lot like Hitler in this lighting :4_joy:

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The reason they didn't vote her out is because they're cowards and don't want the poisoned challice.  I'd love to see Davis, The bumbling fool or Shoes for peasants take the helm and back what up their claims of being able to bring in a better deal... Oops, the had the chance, they were Infact part of the negotiations and chickened out.

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7 hours ago, SirBalon said:

The reason they didn't vote her out is because they're cowards and don't want the poisoned challice.  I'd love to see Davis, The bumbling fool or Shoes for peasants take the helm and back what up their claims of being able to bring in a better deal... Oops, the had the chance, they were Infact part of the negotiations and chickened out.

More like resigned in frustration because the position was effectively ceremonial. Brexit has been negotiatied by her gaggle of remain civil servants she surrounds herself with. They effectively manager her and by proxy the county & it’s brecit negotiations,  contemptuous acts like deferring the vote etc, it’s all the crowd behind her. 

117 is significant it’s worse than Major, she’s a lame duck, plus such is the anger at grassroots level that the death of “one nation” conservatives is assured now. 

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10 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

More like resigned in frustration because the position was effectively ceremonial. Brexit has been negotiatied by her gaggle of remain civil servants she surrounds herself with. They effectively manager her and by proxy the county & it’s brecit negotiations,  contemptuous acts like deferring the vote etc, it’s all the crowd behind her. 

117 is significant it’s worse than Major, she’s a lame duck, plus such is the anger at grassroots level that the death of “one nation” conservatives is assured now. 

That's rubbish FIB... Davis was the one negotiating and they were Putin in those positions to do the job in hand.  They resigned because they couldn't provide what they had dreamt up and saw it was all going pear shaped.  In the case of Johnson it's simply because of his aspirations to be the Prime Minister.

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When David Davis was quizzed on this picture why he didn't have any documents, not notes, nothing to show for the negotiations in front of the Euro negotiators.  People may think this is a cheap joke, but I can assure it's very real, no joke and this was Davis' genuine answer as to why he had no notes, nothing prepared compared to his Europe counterparts.

"One doesn't need documents and notes when one has it all in his head... Ey!"

That "Ey!" Bit if you can picture when someone is more in the know than somebody else and they make a statement with almost a wink while tapping they head with two fingers and sayin "Ey!".

He wasn't even prepared!

Davis apparently admitted to various members of his own circle that he knew nothing about what had suddenly had started to unravel during Brexit negotiations.  But he shouldn't feel embarrassed because most of the government didn't know as has been seen with the Irish border issue on which every politician has said they didn't see that coming.

 

What happens is that when people really really want something, they tend to ignore facts as long as there are others feeding them that unicorns still exist and if they trust them, they will provide them.

What we continue to have with those Brexiters that continue to be stubborn is their "belief" which isn't ever built in facts... They can never offer anything substantial to the argument on exactly what can be provided as a better solution for the future compared to staying in the EU.  Infact (believe it or not), many Brexiters (not all, they're not all crazy) will state that they'd rather be poorer than be in the EU.  That's no lie!  Even when they have children they'll say this.

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