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Lab 14 points ahead on this poll. I genuinely don't understand why Tory MPs aren't falling over each other trying to be the first ones to publicly distance themselves from this government. Goes to show how much they actually fancy Sunak and Truss in part.

Again, I'm happy for it to continue. Every time they try to back Mr Blobby again only for another story to be leaked, they make it just a bit more likely that the next government might actually not be a Tory majority, and makes it harder for them to just recycle another leader, do another rebrand and contest the next election as "we're not like the last Tories" yet again.

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1 hour ago, RondónEFC said:

Lab 14 points ahead on this poll. I genuinely don't understand why Tory MPs aren't falling over each other trying to be the first ones to publicly distance themselves from this government. Goes to show how much they actually fancy Sunak and Truss in part.

Again, I'm happy for it to continue. Every time they try to back Mr Blobby again only for another story to be leaked, they make it just a bit more likely that the next government might actually not be a Tory majority, and makes it harder for them to just recycle another leader, do another rebrand and contest the next election as "we're not like the last Tories" yet again.

My only fear is that the short memories of the electorate mean it won't matter if it's harder for Tories to do a rebrand and claim they're not like the other silly cunts that have spent the last decade taking the country and running into the ground... and it'll still work and get them elected. All it takes is the media pulling another "Miliband eats sandwiches like a weirdo" or "Corbyn hates Jews" or some other bullshit and that'll dominate any future election and probably help Tories out a lot.

I still don't understand how the Miliband eating like a weirdo was so effective, mind you.

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44 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

My only fear is that the short memories of the electorate mean it won't matter if it's harder for Tories to do a rebrand and claim they're not like the other silly cunts that have spent the last decade taking the country and running into the ground... and it'll still work and get them elected. All it takes is the media pulling another "Miliband eats sandwiches like a weirdo" or "Corbyn hates Jews" or some other bullshit and that'll dominate any future election and probably help Tories out a lot.

I still don't understand how the Miliband eating like a weirdo was so effective, mind you.

I wasn't really paying attention in the Milliband days but the bacon sandwich thing definitely gets talked about in the folklore of the ongoing incestuous relationship between the Tory elite and the media elite.

That's what I mean though on the short memories thing. If all of this had come out at once they could have just sacked Boris Johnson off and had a relatively clean slate to some extent. When he had to admit he was at one of the parties (we all already knew anyway), that was their last chance to feign ignorance and turn on him but they haven't. Every day that passes now, that hole they're digging gets a little bit deeper. It's glorious because whoever started leaking this stuff has always kept just enough back to let them think they could ride it out, but now the stuff keeps coming and they're in too deep. 

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It's none of my business as a German. But let's see whether I comprehended what's going on. Your conservative government voted against school meals for deprived children, executed nepotism on several ocassions, had that final school exam disaster last year or the year before, only reluctantly gave NHS employees a pay rise for their hard work during the pandemic, and closed the schools during it endangering the education of the most part of pupils while doing so. Yet, the scandal talked about most is they had parties, while you weren't allowed to have your own? Is that correct? If so your priorities of British society are remarkable.

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47 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

It's none of my business as a German. But let's see whether I comprehended what's going on. Your conservative government voted against school meals for deprived children, executed nepotism on several ocassions, had that final school exam disaster last year or the year before, only reluctantly gave NHS employees a pay rise for their hard work during the pandemic, and closed the schools during it endangering the education of the most part of pupils while doing so. Yet, the scandal talked about most is they had parties, while you weren't allowed to have your own? Is that correct? If so your priorities of British society are remarkable.

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46 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

It's none of my business as a German. But let's see whether I comprehended what's going on. Your conservative government voted against school meals for deprived children, executed nepotism on several ocassions, had that final school exam disaster last year or the year before, only reluctantly gave NHS employees a pay rise for their hard work during the pandemic, and closed the schools during it endangering the education of the most part of pupils while doing so. Yet, the scandal talked about most is they had parties, while you weren't allowed to have your own? Is that correct? If so your priorities of British society are remarkable.

I think there was outrage at all those things you mention at the time. The outrage over the Downing Street parties is because while they were happening people couldn't even go and visit dying loved ones, not because they couldn't have a party of their own.

Unfortunately the stories about the parties are also helping this bill that criminalises protests go through without barely a mention in the mainstream media.

 

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These parties certainly aren’t the worst thing this govt has done whilst in power, certainly not the worst thing the Tories have done since Cameron and May, but definitely the thing that has united the entire country which is a bit sad it’s taken this long but it’s something.

Equating it to British people wanting to party when people have literally had loved ones die alone and had to watch zoom funerals is quite frankly really fucking stupid.

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13 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

@Stan noticed you laughed at the comment above. Someone pointed out to me today that jacob reece mogg looks like a rat 😂

I loved the blunt nature of it xD

 

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The BBC is essentially to be defunded by the Tories. This is terrible news. The BBC gets a lot of stick from both the left and right and it's news content has certainly been poor over recent years. However, the BBC is much more than that, from Radio 4 to BBC three, the BBC gives a voice to so many different people and is, I think, one of the greatest institutions in Britain. 

This is an ideological attack by an increasingly belligerent government. The move to Fox style, trash news is already pretty evident in our culture but this will only expedite it. I'm very worried about the future of this country.

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Yes it is a hangover from the days of Empire and provides a lot of content and has some decent material.

If the BBC is forced to become self funding you would expect it to cut a lot of services and programs or allow advertising. 

On the advertising front I do notice these days how they use time to self promote as in adverts for their own programs. 

Assuming it happens, I expect a stealth tax somewhere else,

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

The BBC is essentially to be defunded by the Tories. This is terrible news. The BBC gets a lot of stick from both the left and right and it's news content has certainly been poor over recent years. However, the BBC is much more than that, from Radio 4 to BBC three, the BBC gives a voice to so many different people and is, I think, one of the greatest institutions in Britain. 

This is an ideological attack by an increasingly belligerent government. The move to Fox style, trash news is already pretty evident in our culture but this will only expedite it. I'm very worried about the future of this country.

I've always taken this as a pretty strong indication that they aren't doing as bad of a job on impartiality as the noisy fringes would have you believe. The downside is, I do believe the noisy fringes have succeeded in castrating their news coverage to some extent as they aren't exactly bold in reporting on political issues, even when the facts are clear, in fear of political factions using it as ammunition against them. That aside, I agree they can do a better job and stuff like when they had that lawyer on who had links to Jeffrey Epstein to comment on the Ghislaine Maxwell verdict the other week was a poor effort. Some of their journalists, such as Ros Atkins and Lewis Goodall do some excellent investigative journalism still though.

The other thing you haven't mentioned that I'd add is the educational value of the BBC. They put in a huge effort to put stuff in place at the start of the pandemic when the school's closed that helped a lot of people with the initial shock of home-schooling and the likes of Newsround (which is a real god-send, I'll tell you) gets used all over the country on a daily basis. BBC Bitesize seems to have regressed in value as better alternatives have become available but it's another example of what the BBC has offered as a service to the country in the past.

Actually restructuring the way the BBC is funded isn't the worst idea ever. It feels a bit archaic these days that you have to pay the licence fee or get threatened with legal action. I don't know what the best solution is, but it's beside the point really, Nadine Dorries and this government have no interest in the best solution, they're just threatening and attacking the BBC because the right-wing fringe of the party wants them to report news in a more right-wing manner, and they need to stop those MPs from submitting no-confidence letters in Johnson. This will be accompanied by increased anti-migrant rhetoric and various other populist announcements over the coming weeks. They've even dubbed it "Operation Red Meat" in Downing Street which tells you all you need to know.

The (hopefully) last mad gambit of a flailing, failing government. All they have left is to go back to the racist and authoritarian shtick dressed up as 'libertarianism', because that's all they've ever had to offer.

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The timing of this is certainly political.

Yet when nearly every other British company has lost its monopoly why should the BBC be any different?

I'm sure the good content would be bought by other media outlets.

Some minority groups might lose out yet surely it is up to those minority groups to get together using social media to form self-interest groups. 

That's the way I see it anyway.

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12 minutes ago, Waylander said:

The timing of this is certainly political.

Yet when nearly every other British company has lost its monopoly why should the BBC be any different?

I'm sure the good content would be bought by other media outlets.

Some minority groups might lose out yet surely it is up to those minority groups to get together using social media to form self-interest groups. 

That's the way I see it anyway.

Because life shouldn't be one big free market festival, where basically the wealthy decide what gets made.

The BBC is an absolutely vital part of British culture. Does it have problems, yes. It will be sorely missed when it goes, as looks likely now. The Tories are doing this for purely ideological reasons.

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15 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Because life shouldn't be one big free market festival, where basically the wealthy decide what gets made.

The BBC is an absolutely vital part of British culture. Does it have problems, yes. It will be sorely missed when it goes, as looks likely now. The Tories are doing this for purely ideological reasons.

No I've been on political forums its been brewing for a while in the public and people not paying the license being prosecuted.

There is a lot more choice today and I don't think the BBC will disappear just need to amend their offering. 

Also if people believe they take a political position at least they know they won't be directly subsidising it.

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4 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60032465

Not the end but a good start. I fear this desperate government are going to try and railroad it through anyway. Combined with the Nationalties Bill, it's a very serious turn in British politics.

Some of these protests risk serious injury like on motorways and tubes.

They can all petition their MPs and march at Hyde Park etc and advocate for political change via new parties or supporting parties.

It seems some think it will be the end of the world next week if their pet protest is not successful and think that gives them the right to inconvenience others going about their daily transport activities to pay their bills. 

The HoL can delay legislation so the HoC normally has to look at recommendations and normally amend or drop.

Very rare for the HoL to push back twice.

 

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Dorries is one of those who will go down swinging. Thick, ill-informed and obsessed with the 'culture war' politics like immigration rhetoric, attacking the BBC and cracking down on 'woke' protestors. Not fit to be in Parliament let alone a ministerial brief. She knows if Johnson goes down, she'll never get a sniff of cabinet again hence she'll fight to the death if that's what it takes to keep the bloated scarecrow in power. Same for Patel and Rees-Mogg.

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Dorries was a major shock getting into the cabinet.

As for the others, the public can vote them out at the elections it has certainly happened post Brexit on both sides. 

If they are relay unpopular or the govt changes tack they can resign and  take a back seat for a term or two and perhaps get a second chance. 

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23 minutes ago, LFCMike said:

Why would the Prime Minister have to be told that it was against the rules?

Precisely my thought, too.

It's just another example of his lack of leadership.

'no one told me'.

It's not his fault and never is, according to him. Probably looks in the mirror and thinks he's had a jolly good day every day.

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