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Put a 1 in front of the 72 and we might start listening. 

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Unfortunately, if they want him it won't be long before he's gone

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3 minutes ago, LFCMike said:

Unfortunately, if they want him it won't be long before he's gone

They'd have to break the world record for a transfer fee by quite a margin to get him with the market how it is right now. 

 

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4 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said:

They'd have to break the world record for a transfer fee by quite a margin to get him with the market how it is right now. 

 

Possibly. The club will be rubbing their hands right now. This could fund their summer

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4 minutes ago, True Blue said:

I rate Coutinho think he is quality, but not 72 mill quality.

If Stones is worth £50m, Siggurdson valued at £50m, Morata £75m and Pogba £90... Then yeah, we are looking at a record fee for Coutinho as he is better than all the above by some distance. 

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1 minute ago, LFCMike said:

Possibly. The club will be rubbing their hands right now. This could fund their summer

Here we go 9_9 Knew it wouldn't be long. 

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24 minutes ago, Teso Dos Bichos said:

:rofl: replacing neymar with coutinho has to be the biggest downgrade since Ben affleck replaced bale as batman.

Ben Affleck was a better Batman than Christian Bale.

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40 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said:

Here we go 9_9 Knew it wouldn't be long. 

It always happens with us though

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Coutinho wouldn't be a replacement for Neymar. Anyone that thinks that needs their head tested. Coutinho is a player Barcelona have been looking at for a long time and it has nothing to do with Neymar's position and certainly not his situation. If Neymar were to go, his replacement would be Juventus' Dybala.

Anyway... That price if its in pounds looks very steep to me. I doubt Barça would pay that because Coutinho isn't worth that. 

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18 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

Coutinho wouldn't be a replacement for Neymar. Anyone that thinks that needs their head tested. Coutinho is a player Barcelona have been looking at for a long time and it has nothing to do with Neymar's position and certainly not his situation. If Neymar were to go, his replacement would be Juventus' Dybala.

Anyway... That price if its in pounds looks very steep to me. I doubt Barça would pay that because Coutinho isn't worth that. 

What do you mean you doubt they'd pay it?

Thats what they've bid xD

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Just now, LFCMadLad said:

What do you mean you doubt they'd pay it?

Thats what they've bid xD

Who said Barcelona bid that mate?

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There's no doubt he's a class player and wants to move to Barca. Equally I don't think it's actually a bad time to sell for Liverpool, Coutinho had injury spells last year and was fairly anonymous on occasions during matches. I think anything over €90m is an absolutely superb return.

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1 minute ago, Cannabis said:

This probably deserves a warning.

I second that motion 

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Who does he push out of the starting 11?

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4 hours ago, LFCMike said:

Unfortunately, if they want him it won't be long before he's gone

This is true.

@topic

It's laughable to see people saying that 72 is a lot for him. In a market where a flat track bully like Lukaku is worth 75, Coutinho is worth more.

But it won't be 100 or something like that. FSG will eat anything around 90, to get a hugh earner like him off the wages. 

Coutinho is also not a replacement of Neymar. He would be an ideal CM for Barca, unfortunately.

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Liverpool must not sell if they want to be serious about improving themselves. If coutinho wants to leave they can do a ronaldo type, stay a year and then they can plan replacing him.

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1 hour ago, IgnisExcubitor said:

This is true.

@topic

It's laughable to see people saying that 72 is a lot for him. In a market where a flat track bully like Lukaku is worth 75, Coutinho is worth more.

But it won't be 100 or something like that. FSG will eat anything around 90, to get a hugh earner like him off the wages. 

Coutinho is also not a replacement of Neymar. He would be an ideal CM for Barca, unfortunately.

Huge earner like him? He's only just signed a new contract, his previous one he was earning moderate money. Seriously, it's like people just make things up. Why would we be trying to sign players this summer for fee's of £60-£70m who will be on well over £100k a week (VVD & Kieta) if FSG want to get high earners off the wage book? Think about it? Under Klopp we are actually trying to build something, any mug can see that. 

Coutinho wont be going this summer but will probably move to Barca next year and who can blame him? It's not a 'FSG are the evilest people in the world' thing like some would have you believe, it's that for players (especially South American ones), playing for Barcelona is the absolute pinnacle and Coutinho himself will probably really want the move. 

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Generally, those who sign a new deal and become our highest earner don't end up lasting very long after they've signed their new and improved deal.

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18 minutes ago, LFCMike said:

Generally, those who sign a new deal and become our highest earner don't end up lasting very long after they've signed their new and improved deal.

That's true, and I've no doubt during negotiations of the new contract Barcelona's interest was discussed but as I said above, who could blame him? Same with Suarez, Mascherano... 

We are shopping in a higher tier of players now though and I'm pretty confident Klopp will replace any outgoing players adequately. We've had a £66m bid rejected for Keita and ok they don't want to sell, but it shows the level of player we are now going after. 

Lets not wet the bed the first sign of trouble hey?

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I think £72m is a more than decent price for someone who blows hot and cold like Coutinho. Absolutely brilliant when he's on it, no question. Not so great when he's not. The consistency levels would worry me.

If I was Barca, I wouldn't go much higher, perhaps £80m tops. And that is tops. I'm pretty sure they could find another player walking this planet just as good for less I'm sure.

The problem with these discussions is the same old line comes out that 'Player X was bought for this much so Player Y must be that much' but the problem using that line is that clubs buy players overpriced because they are desperate and need them at all costs.

We are talking about Coutinho here. A very, very good player. But not the second coming of Christ.

 

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 thats what's so strange about this summer. Since pogba the feeling in the market seems to be that anyone with any potential is worth 50m plus.

The 50m plus club is no longer reserved for the elite players. 

In a world where it takes 50m to pry kyle walker away from spurs what is a fair price for us to part with phil?

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3 hours ago, LFCMadLad said:

That's true, and I've no doubt during negotiations of the new contract Barcelona's interest was discussed but as I said above, who could blame him? Same with Suarez, Mascherano... 

We are shopping in a higher tier of players now though and I'm pretty confident Klopp will replace any outgoing players adequately. We've had a £66m bid rejected for Keita and ok they don't want to sell, but it shows the level of player we are now going after. 

Lets not wet the bed the first sign of trouble hey?

Yeah can't blame him at all. 

Of course we need to see what happens between now and the end of the window but going on our previous, I'm sceptical to say the least about our business

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This is one of those situations where the player is worth more to the selling club than he is to the buying club. A much bigger fee than that would be overspending for Barcelona while Liverpool are well within their rights to expect more given how important Coutinho is to them.

Whether this goes through or not depends on Barcelona deciding that money is no object, like Man Utd did with Pogba and Lukaku, or like we might be doing with Sigurdsson.

At this point in their journey under Klopp though, Liverpool selling Coutinho for anything less than a ridiculous fee sends out a negative message. They can certainly improve themselves if they sell him and reinvest the money well, but Liverpool currently have some momentum about them and selling their best player can't be good for them unless they get a proper star player to compensate, rather than three players that bolster their squad well.

Saying that, I don't want to contradict myself after my stance on us selling Lukaku, where I've pointed to Bale at Spurs and other examples of people thinking that a club selling their best player would harm them but the club has actually been better off overall. I don't think this is quite the same as a Bale or Lukaku situation, but I admit that I can't and won't try to argue against Liverpool fans believing that if they get enough money from this transfer, they can end up making an overall improvement if the money is spent wisely. 

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If Barca wants to sign Coutinho they'll have to give Suarez as an exchange : D This is the only way Liverpool approves :D

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Don't think the club is going to sell and if they do it will be some ridiculous price because even Klopp wants him to stay as he trying to build a team and selling off key players isn't in his long-term plan. Do Barcelona really need Coutinho? I suppose if they do then coughing up money and a big sum at that is how they are going to convince FSG and the club that its time to let the little magician go his way.

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