Moderator Tommy 12,604 Posted December 10, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Faithcore said: Istill hope that the nonsense will be abolished again. In the Bundesliga nothing has gotten better at all. On the contrary. Watching Bundesliga has become much more annoying. The matches are constantly interrupted and there is discussion all the time. Everything lasts forever and you never know if a decision has been made or will be intervened 5 minutes later. All seems totally arbitrary. I don't see anything positive about it at all. At least not the way it is right now. Did you see Horst Heldt's outburst? Glorious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithcore 1,276 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Tommy said: Did you see Horst Heldt's outburst? Glorious. I only read about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,604 Posted December 10, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 10, 2018 26 minutes ago, Faithcore said: I only read about it Here's the video: https://sport.sky.de/fussball/artikel/hannover-96-horst-heldt-rastet-wegen-schiedsrichter-aus/11576664/34128?wkz=WXFNL1&fbclid=IwAR1p0Bwtdmf2xBoJSabkVGdEr-x_672fVcwOwETQndJu7p5Il_4Jp5VV8nU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithcore 1,276 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Heldt was such a good fit for Schalke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,364 Posted April 2, 2019 Administrator Share Posted April 2, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47784414 Quote Video assistant referee system (VAR) replays will be displayed to fans during this season's FA Cup semi-finals at Wembley if a decision is overturned. VAR's decision will be announced on the big screen before a "definitive video clip" is shown. It comes after criticism that decisions are sometimes unclear for fans inside stadiums. The Football Association said it would provide "clarity" and "transparency" for those in attendance. "The FA Cup has been at the forefront VAR testing process in England and this is the next step in its development," said Andy Ambler, the FA's director of professional game relations. Replays of incidents reviewed by VAR were shown on big screens at the 2018 World Cup in Russia. VAR has been used regularly in FA Cup ties over the past two seasons, making its debut in English football in Brighton's third-round win over Crystal Palace on 8 January, 2018. It will be in use for both semi-finals this weekend as well as the final on 18 May. Manchester City face Brighton on Saturday before Watford play Wolves on Sunday. Last month, Swansea players bemoaned the lack of VAR during their FA Cup quarter-final exit as Man City's equaliser was a contentious penalty and their winning goal looked to be offside. VAR was not in use despite the Liberty Stadium being equipped for it. The system is only being used in this season's FA Cup at Premier League grounds. It will be used in the Premier League from next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,358 Posted June 3, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted June 3, 2019 Caf Champions League: Esperance awarded win after Wydad VAR controversy The African Champions League final was abandoned due to a row over the Video Assisted Referee (VAR) system. Play was halted for over an hour after Wydad Casablanca refused to play when VAR was unavailable to judge a disallowed equaliser. VAR had been set up on the side of the pitch, but the players had not been told it was not working, although officials were aware. The referee then awarded the victory to three-time former champions Esperance. The Tunisian side were leading 1-0 (2-1 on aggregate) in Saturday's final, which was played over two legs. VAR had been used in last week's first leg. But in the second leg, Walid El Karti's header for Wydad was disallowed for an infringement. Wydad players protested to the Gambian referee, demanding VAR be used, and Confederation of African Football (Caf) president Ahmad Ahmad spent almost 30 minutes in discussions with officials in a bid to get the game restarted. The 60,000 spectators inside the stadium waited for an update for 95 minutes, before the referee awarded the victory to the home team, who retained the title. In a statement, Caf confirmed it will hold a meeting of their executive committee on Tuesday to discuss the incident. It is the first time in the 55-year history of the elite African club competition that a match in the home-and-away final series has not been completed. Last week's first leg in Morocco saw Caf hand Egyptian referee Gehad Grisha a six-month ban after complaints from the Moroccans. Esperance were unbeaten all season, equalling the achievement of the 1994 squad, becoming the first club to win the competition twice without losing a match. Wydad could now face a two-year ban from competing in continental club competition. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48483152 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,358 Posted June 3, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted June 3, 2019 VAR to be used at Nations League finals in Portugal Video assistant referees are to be used at this week's Nations League finals. It is the first time VAR has been used in a national team competition run by European football's governing body Uefa. The technology was used at the 2018 World Cup and in this season's Champions League knockout stages, while it will make its debut in the Premier League next season. The Nations League starts on Wednesday when hosts Portugal play Switzerland. England face the Netherlands in the other semi-final on Thursday. The third-place play-off and final are on Sunday. VAR checks for "clear and obvious errors" relating to four match-changing situations: goals, mistaken identify, red cards and incidents in the penalty area. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48494968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,364 Posted June 5, 2019 Administrator Share Posted June 5, 2019 Good news for Premier League Quote Premier League clubs were today provided with an update on plans for the introduction of Video Assistant Referees (VAR) in the competition in the new season. This included details on in-stadium communications, in particular when there is a clear delay to a match because of VAR, and when refereeing decisions are overturned due to the intervention of VAR. The Premier League has created graphics which will be displayed on giant screens to explain any VAR-related delay to a match, and any overturned decision. Additionally, if the VAR believes there is a definitive video clip which helps explain an overturned decision to fans, it will be broadcast on giant screens. In addition, the Premier League is investigating the possibility of messages and video clips being viewed on handheld devices via an app. For clubs who do not have giant screens in their stadium, VAR communications will be made via a combination of PA announcements and messages on scoreboards. The VAR can only intervene on "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" relating to: - Goals - Penalties - Straight red cards - Mistaken identity One of the issues in stadia was lack of communication for fans. Good to see that's been resolved now that there'll be video clips if definitive angle available or at least an announcement if long delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,358 Posted June 5, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted June 5, 2019 On 03/06/2019 at 08:53, CaaC (John) said: Caf Champions League: Esperance awarded win after Wydad VAR controversy The African Champions League final was abandoned due to a row over the Video Assisted Referee (VAR) system. Caf Champions League: Esperance ordered to return medals and face Wydad Casablanca again Esperance have been ordered to return the African Champions League trophy and to replay the second leg of the final. The Tunisian side led 1-0 in Saturday's second leg but Moroccan opponents Wydad Casablanca left the pitch after an equaliser they scored was disallowed. Wydad wanted the video assistant referee to check if the goal should stand but the system was not working. The Confederation of African Football (Caf) said the second leg will be replayed at a neutral venue. The 1-1 draw from the first leg in Morocco stands. The replay will be after the Africa Cup of Nations in Egypt, which ends on 19 July. Caf said Esperance players must return their winners' medals as well as the trophy. Play in the second leg was halted after Wydad thought they had equalised on 59 minutes through Walid El Karti's header. It was disallowed for an infringement. The VAR system was visible on the side of the pitch but the players had not been told it was not in use because of a malfunction. The referee eventually awarded the victory to three-time champions Esperance after a 95-minute delay. Wydad's president said the club was "the victim of a scandal" and called on Caf to investigate. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48533905 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC2019 1 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 The problem is that it's too slow in making decisions. Portugal V Switzerland prime example. Switzerland denied penalty, which was given(rightfully) but Portugal go up the park and get a legit penalty without the need of VAR. What if that Portugal player gets injured, and is out for the rest of the season, should have got a penalty but goes the other way... It's just a bit too slow, their should be a cap on the time limit. If you can't make the decision within 15-20 seconds then it goes down as play resumed as normal. Also play should be stopped as soon as theirs a VAR enquiry rather than waiting til play is stopped. It's a great idea though and I agree with it, but things like the above and many other incidents including the Portugal V Switzerland game need to be decided much quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,364 Posted June 11, 2019 Administrator Share Posted June 11, 2019 Welcome to the forums @WC2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,358 Posted June 11, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted June 11, 2019 I am sure @Inverted will also welcome you aboard @WC2019 him being a Celtic man and I also welcome you aboard too from Bonny Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,358 Posted July 8, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted July 8, 2019 VAR will not re-referee Premier League - referees' chief Mike Riley The Premier League will not be re-refereeing the game by VAR and will set a high bar for decisions, says referees' chief Mike Riley. Video assistant referees will be used in the Premier League from the start of the new season after clubs agreed to their introduction. Riley and his team of referees have spent the past two years preparing and training all the match officials, including live trial matches, and have been encouraged by the progress they have made. However, he stressed that VAR is still a work in progress. "It will take us two or three years to get this right," said Riley, who is general manager of the Professional Game Match Officials Limited. He said there had been a "reaction" to some uses of VAR at the Women's World Cup in France, but across Europe, in other competitions, it had been implemented successfully. "You look at the work in Italy, you look at the work in Spain, the Netherlands and in Germany latterly, and the more people get familiar with the process and work out how to harness it for the game I think the more comfortable people feel," The key area for implementation of VAR in the Premier League is the height of the threshold to change original decisions, and Riley believes working out when to intervene is the main challenge for the game as a whole, not just for referees. "Where VAR has been implemented successfully in other competitions it's been a very high bar," he said. "We don't want VAR to come in and try to re-referee the game. We actually want it to protect the referees from making serious errors, the ones everybody's goes: 'Well, actually, that's wrong.' "If we keep to that really high bar there is more chance of keeping the flow of the game, the intensity of the game and people enjoying the spectacle of it rather than constantly referring to the video screen for changing decisions." FULL STORY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,358 Posted July 20, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted July 20, 2019 Premier League prepared for VAR controversies next season The Premier League says there is "no doubt" video assistant referees (VAR) will cause controversy next season but it is "prepared" for it. VAR will be used in the English top-flight for the first time in the 2019-20 season. It has been controversially used in World Cups, Champions League and some domestic cup matches in recent seasons. But Premier League's interim chief executive Richard Masters says it is "ready to launch it" after testing. "We have spent two years working up to this point, and we were committed to doing it in our heads for two years," Masters said. "I have no doubt it will create some controversy because it is about the big decisions but we are prepared for that. "We have been training and testing and making sure when it happens, particularly on Saturday afternoons when we have got multiple matches going on, that we have a number of VARs trained. "We feel that is done and we are ready to launch it." FULL STORY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 3,825 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Has anyone thought what it will be like watching Soccer Saturday on Sky this season? I fucking pray for Merson and Chris Kamara's games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,358 Posted July 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted July 24, 2019 VAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Sporting Cristal beat Zulia 3-2 yesterday but went out thanks to this offside... VAR was present, they checked the goal and counted it. Please lets stop with the myth that it calls the "correct decisions". Piece of shit technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Batard 2,534 Posted July 31, 2019 Administrator Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Grizzly21 said: Sporting Cristal beat Zulia 3-2 yesterday but went out thanks to this offside... VAR was present, they checked the goal and counted it. Please lets stop with the myth that it calls the "correct decisions". Piece of shit technology. There's nothing wrong with the technology. Only the eyes that observe it and their competence to review video footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Batard said: There's nothing wrong with the technology. Only the eyes that observe it and their competence to review video footage. That's such a shit excuse. Guess who is in charge of the technology... If the referees continue to be incompetent, VAR will be as well. it's that simple. Only difference is the flow of the game will be ruined with bad decisions still being called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Batard 2,534 Posted July 31, 2019 Administrator Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Grizzly21 said: That's such a shit excuse. Guess who is in charge of the technology... If the referees continue to be incompetent, VAR will be as well. it's that simple. Only difference is the flow of the game will be ruined with bad decisions still being called. No, it's really not. The technology works perfectly well. If I'm incapable of using a microwave I'm not expecting them all to be pulled from circulation. If you have people who do not understand the offside rule even with the benefit of technology, the latter is not the issue. It's the former. Blaming the latter is an excuse for shit officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Batard said: No, it's really not. The technology works perfectly well. If I'm incapable of using a microwave I'm not expecting them all to be pulled from circulation. If you have people who do not understand the offside rule even with the benefit of technology, the latter is not the issue. It's the former. Blaming the latter is an excuse for shit officials. Then what is your solution? VAR is a good concept in theory but to have it work you need a human decision. Without a human it just sits there. Its like having a video game console with no games to play it. You need the 2 to make it work. Unfortunately in this case, the 2 don't go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,364 Posted July 31, 2019 Administrator Share Posted July 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Grizzly21 said: Then what is your solution? VAR is a good concept in theory but to have it work you need a human decision. Without a human it just sits there. Its like having a video game console with no games to play it. You need the 2 to make it work. Unfortunately in this case, the 2 don't go together. In your analogy, the technology can still work perfectly but it's the human element which needs to be there and working efficiently. So it's not the VAR technology that is flawed. It's the people using it. Therefore your theory that it's a 'piece of shit' technology is incorrect. It's the human element getting the decisions wrong, not the technology. At worst, the VAR process still needs to be worked on, not the technology itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ 3,612 Posted July 31, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted July 31, 2019 I give VAR 600 days and we'll all be changing our tune on it. Not just because we've gotten used to it but I am sure clubs and countries will have caused such an uproar that the way its used will completely change too. Right now the best piece of football technology is goal-line tech. There is no debate, there is no argument and by the end of its first phase life-cycle VAR will become that way too. Didn't take cricket too long to get the tech working right there (human decision making) and I doubt this will take too long either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Stan said: In your analogy, the technology can still work perfectly but it's the human element which needs to be there and working efficiently. So it's not the VAR technology that is flawed. It's the people using it. Therefore your theory that it's a 'piece of shit' technology is incorrect. It's the human element getting the decisions wrong, not the technology. At worst, the VAR process still needs to be worked on, not the technology itself. What makes you think a corrupt federation like FIFA will work on referee decision making? We complained about referee making bad decisions hence why people wanted VAR, but that brings me the question as to why we didn't just work on referees if that was the case? I know I said VAR is a good concept in theory but it does still make the game slower in most cases so I am still against it even if I can understand the preliminary intention. Again, you need a human to get it to work. Maybe the concept is good, but if someone is there to make it all collapse it isn't worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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