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Ok. My turn to be Cicero this week cos I really enjoyed that episode. In fact I fucking loved it.

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Thought Jon would be done for to be honest. Still trying to figure out why Drogon didn't burn him alive. Has to be a Targaryan thing. 

Nonetheless, a season that was blatantly rushed which accumulated plot holes and a disservice to certain characters, I thought the finale was very much satisfying. 

All of this ties down to the vision Dany had back in season 2 or 3, where she approaches the throne covered in snow, unable to touch it. 

 

Shame for Dany, as I was actually kind of gutted when Jon killed her. It's the one thing I expected to happen since season 7, yet it kind of hit me hard actually watching it. She was exactly like her father, and Jon's true identity is the main thing that led to her paranoia. Bran knew all along that a democracy was best for Westeros Not a bloodline rule, which ruled Jon out. He had to use Jon's identity to create the domino effect on Dany.  Thought it was pretty cheeky of Bran to send Jon back to the Nightswatch as payment for the Unsullied for murdering Dany, given that there isn't a Nightswatch. xD Jon didn't have the heart to rule and will always be looked at being the protector of the realm. Nothing better than seeing him reunite with Tormund and Ghost.  

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Firstly, they did a great job cementing Danys character transformation this episode in a way that made sense. I didn't get what happened last week but I did by the hallway point of this one. It's just like the Tarly's, necessary, and exactly the way the conquering targaryens did it. Not a mad queen at all, just an ambitious Targaryen in a world that had not yet been conquered. All of that was on point.

Tyrion throwing down the badge was finally a return to form. By the end of his chat with Jon I couldn't believe Jon still wasn't on board with what Tyrion was proposing, but Jon also returned to form doing the deed. Great acting in that scene. I then watched Drogon be very unpredictable. Pretty sure it was Bran warged into him doing a little bit of symbolism in burning down the iron throne.

I thought the council of families meeting was well done too. Greyworm seeking vengeance but at the same time he respects Tyrion and didn't want further bloodshed and was talked around 

Tyrions suggestion of bran is a good one, and builds nicely off the chat he had with bran in episode 2. Someone who has no thirst for power, will father no children and will live for a few hundred years is an excellent choice for a new era.

I don't really understand the point of the North going independent. Whether thats Sansa being true to her people or just wanting some opportunity to be a queen of something. I'm sure the North could get on board a kingdom in which a stark ruled the seven kingdoms, and independence is probably more a risk of future conflict when the next generation get ambitious. But the North are the descendants of the first men and always thought of themselves as a different people.

The small council meeting wasn't bad either. It was always known Sam would write the book as a chronicle of the age so that was good book fan service. And I chuckled at Bron's suggestion that the rebuild should prioritise the brothels.

All in all a bittersweet end seeing the true King and heir effectively sacrificed unjustly and sent to the wall but it is what it is.

The last major twist was there were no more twists. A relatively benign ending where you could really feel the weariness of everyone in sight.

The biggest issue for me was the shitty plot to rescue weight in season 7 and more recently the rushed character development of Dany and the shitty euron return on episode 5. Definitely I would change some aspects to make it less dramatic but more believable, but overall a much better rounded end than I was expecting. I'm definitely disappointed that we didn't see more substance to prophecies and ancient knowledge and more about the others. I think they left it for the fans to speculate but they were consistent in the way they did it. Will leave a lot of reason to read the books, where you get each chapter from one characters point of view and therefore won't be left wondering just how much bran really knew, and feeling Danny's turn to destroyer from inside her mind.

Hell of a story by GRRM. Bravo.

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4 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Thought Jon would be done for to be honest. Still trying to figure out why Drogon didn't burn him alive. Has to be a Targaryan thing. 

Nonetheless, a season that was blatantly rushed which accumulated plot holes and a disservice to certain characters, I thought the finale was very much satisfying. 

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Shame for Dany, as I was actually kind of gutted when Jon killed her. It's the one thing I expected to happen since season 7, yet it kind of hit me hard actually watching it. She was exactly like her father, and Jon's true identity is the main thing that led to her paranoia. Bran knew all along that a democracy was best for Westeros Not a bloodline rule, which ruled Jon out. He had to use Jon's identity to create the domino effect on Dany.  Thought it was pretty cheeky of Bran to send Jon back to the Nightswatch as payment for the Unsullied for murdering Dany, given that there isn't a Nightswatch. xD Jon didn't have the heart to rule and will always be looked at being the protector of the realm. Nothing better than seeing him reunite with Tormund and Ghost.  

First off, I thought this was going to be a 2 hour finale, so after 50 minutes and everything was done, I was slightly confused. 

I wasn't the biggest fan of this season, although I think people were too harsh IMO of it. The way that we have seen Cerci become so hated, and then how we all felt sad for her and Jaime before their deaths was great work, really. In this episode, it was touching to see Tyron follow the steps he gave Jamie, only to see he's brothers hand, and ultimately his and Cerci's bodies. Well done on that. 

Dany changed as well, which a little girl which an idiot for a brother, to a vigin getting married to a giant Dothraki, to becoming a freer of slaves, and to ultimately a blood thirsty ruler who was so blinded by her hate for Cerci, that she forgot herself.  Absolute opposite way that we felt about Cerci, as we were all somewhat glad (I suppose) when Jon finished her off. 

I will say that I had a feeling Bran would be ruler, so while it's great to be correct about that, I was hoping to be surprised. 

Was not a fan of Sam's speech about having a true democracy, and then everyone laughing at him. It felt...forced with how politics are nowadays. Didn't fit the scene and it really felt like it was put in there as a weird joke. 

I'm fine with how Greyworm left, and it makes sense. 

Fine with how they wrapped up Jon's, Arya's, and Sansa's story line. 4 relatives all with 4 separate paths in 4 vastly different areas. 

Overall, this season was probably a 6.5/10. I absolutely hated how quickly the Night King and Golden Company's were defeated....it honestly felt pointless to have them involved. Especially with the series starting with the Night Walkers, the way it ended was absolutely disappointing. Golden Company was just built up through season to really become so weak .

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First off, I thought this was going to be a 2 hour finale, so after 50 minutes and everything was done, I was slightly confused. 

I wasn't the biggest fan of this season, although I think people were too harsh IMO of it. The way that we have seen Cerci become so hated, and then how we all felt sad for her and Jaime before their deaths was great work, really. In this episode, it was touching to see Tyron follow the steps he gave Jamie, only to see he's brothers hand, and ultimately his and Cerci's bodies. Well done on that. 

Dany changed as well, which a little girl which an idiot for a brother, to a vigin getting married to a giant Dothraki, to becoming a freer of slaves, and to ultimately a blood thirsty ruler who was so blinded by her hate for Cerci, that she forgot herself.  Absolute opposite way that we felt about Cerci, as we were all somewhat glad (I suppose) when Jon finished her off. 

I will say that I had a feeling Bran would be ruler, so while it's great to be correct about that, I was hoping to be surprised. 

Was not a fan of Sam's speech about having a true democracy, and then everyone laughing at him. It felt...forced with how politics are nowadays. Didn't fit the scene and it really felt like it was put in there as a weird joke. 

I'm fine with how Greyworm left, and it makes sense. 

Fine with how they wrapped up Jon's, Arya's, and Sansa's story line. 4 relatives all with 4 separate paths in 4 vastly different areas. 

Overall, this season was probably a 6.5/10. I absolutely hated how quickly the Night King and Golden Company's were defeated....it honestly felt pointless to have them involved. Especially with the series starting with the Night Walkers, the way it ended was absolutely disappointing. Golden Company was just built up through season to really become so weak .

 

 

Yeah think we got screwed they only wanted 6 episodes. 3 more seasons would of had everything tied in. The NightKing should of been more powerful and the Golden company shouln't of been a bunch of vaginas. 

That said, I still appreciate it for what they did with the episodes that were given. I'd say 7/10 for me. 

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Called it. 

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Meh, massively disappointed overall. The only outstanding episode for me in this season was 3 and even that had it's issues. Massive kudos on the effects and the acting it was absolutely phenomenal but the story just didn't match it.

I kind of feel like Jon being Rhaegar's son wasn't used as well as it could have been as well, genuinely very wasted.

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2 minutes ago, Chaaay AFC said:

Meh, massively disappointed overall. The only outstanding episode for me in this season was 3 and even that had it's issues. Massive kudos on the effects and the acting it was absolutely phenomenal but the story just didn't match it.

I kind of feel like Jon being Rhaegar's son wasn't used as well as it could have been as well, genuinely very wasted.

Me too. Fairly certain Martin wanted to tie this with the prince that was promised prophecy, but the directors went another route and only made it become the domino effect  to Dany's madness. 

Still, I like how they ended it. (still overjoyed he didn't die) The whole point of Jon going back to the Night's Watch was the symbolism. Jon, in every sense, is the protector of the realm. The only real threat now is the monsters that lie behind the wall. What gave Jon purpose was serving, and Bran knew that when he sent him back there.

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I liked it.

I feared a disastrous ending and weeks of a large backlash across the internet but I felt that to be a satisfying end to the story. The twist being Bran on the throne and a shift to some sort of electorate succession.

The Drogon and Jon scene was weird admittedly but Drogon destroyed the Iron Throne. I assume we're meant to take from that that he somehow accepts that it was the lust for the throne that led to Dany's death rather than Jon? Flimsy but whatever, I've done enough complaining about this season.

The only other slightly unexplained bit was the Unsullied leaving for Naath but no acknowledgement of the Dothraki? Not important though really.

The rest of the characters all end up where you'd pretty much say is correct. I didn't really get the last scene with Jon. Great to see him reunited with Ghost after the weird non-farewell in episode 4, but was he going north to stay there and fuck the wall? Just escorting the wildlings North? As long as he's with Tormund and Ghost that's fine.

Overall I have to say that the end to the story is solid, it just hasn't been told brilliantly on this final stretch but they've saved it at the end to an extent. I look forward to reading the written version where the author doesn't need to prioritise big battle scenes and shock moments over good dialogue and story telling.

Mixed emotions right now, it's strange to think that it's over but I'm glad they redeemed themselves with a solid final episode.

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1 hour ago, Cicero said:

Me too. Fairly certain Martin wanted to tie this with the prince that was promised prophecy, but the directors went another route and only made it become the domino effect  to Dany's madness. 

Still, I like how they ended it. (still overjoyed he didn't die) The whole point of Jon going back to the Night's Watch was the symbolism. Jon, in every sense, is the protector of the realm. The only real threat now is the monsters that lie behind the wall. What gave Jon purpose was serving, and Bran knew that when he sent him back there.

It was utterly pointless in the end, genuinely could have created a similar affect without him being a Targaryen. 

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I liked Ser Davos suggesting the Unsullied take lands and form a house in Westeros. A house that can produce no heirs 

xD

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Load of fucking crap.I want to personally thank the two Davids for ruining the show. Cheers cunts, hope your star wars films bomb.

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10 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

Just another democracy is great wankfest. FFS

What, Westeros's government structure by the end of the story?

It's still a feudal structure, but with the Lord's having say in who is King (and by the looks of it, still has basically absolute power) - so an oligarchy mixed in with feudal society.

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Let's just hope that George RR Martin finishes the books and we get the conclusion we deserve. This show has been all over the place since the books ended, and it dumbed down a whole lot. It had it's decent moments, like, in the last episode I really felt for Tyrion when he found Jaime's and Cersei's bodies, but all in all it was meh. Not at all what you would have expected if you're used to the standard of the show from Season 1 to 4. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Tommy said:

Let's just hope that George RR Martin finishes the books and we get the conclusion we deserve. This show has been all over the place since the books ended, and it dumbed down a whole lot. It had it's decent moments, like, in the last episode I really felt for Tyrion when he found Jaime's and Cersei's bodies, but all in all it was meh. Not at all what you would have expected if you're used to the standard of the show from Season 1 to 4. 

 

Even that scene doesn't really make sense. Jamie and Cersei were at the top of the pile of bricks, they weren't standing on a pile of bricks before the roof collapsed... why weren't they at the bottom? And if they wanted that powerful on screen moment of him finding his brother and sister and mourning their deaths... they probably should have killed them in a different way, as opposed to revealing it in a way that... really just doesn't make sense. Whole lotta continuity errors in a show that was once famous for it's fantastic writing.

Honestly, it's a huge shame. The cast and staff of the show deserved better than the sloppy writing it received in it's last season (I'm willing to forgive the standard of previous seasons, I think Season 7 got a lot of slack from fans despite pacing and writing issues... because the expectation was it was a season setting up more for the final season.

HBO shows and unsatisfying final seasons, though. I don't know why I expected anything different.

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I know the author of the books is American, and it was directed by Americans. But to me, not only because of the accents, it always had a slight British touch. And in the end, the show was so fucking Americanized. They should have hired some genius British writers when the book material ended. The cleverness was missing. 

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14 minutes ago, Tommy said:

I know the author of the books is American, and it was directed by Americans. But to me, not only because of the accents, it always had a slight British touch. And in the end, the show was so fucking Americanized. They should have hired some genius British writers when the book material ended. The cleverness was missing. 

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3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What, Westeros's government structure by the end of the story?

It's still a feudal structure, but with the Lord's having say in who is King (and by the looks of it, still has basically absolute power) - so an oligarchy mixed in with feudal society.

They picked a guy who doesn't die. 

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2 hours ago, Tommy said:

I know the author of the books is American, and it was directed by Americans. But to me, not only because of the accents, it always had a slight British touch. And in the end, the show was so fucking Americanized. They should have hired some genius British writers when the book material ended. The cleverness was missing. 

I'd say it adjusted its writing style as it became more and more mainstream.

Most great tv shows have been American but they've never been as mainstream as game of thrones was by the time of seasons 7 and 8.

They went a bit mainstream tv network in plot development rather than premium cable show.

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Rewatching this last season helps, there’s so much you miss it initially. 

Dany was a dragon and eventually became a tyrant herself although her intention was good her drive to get there made her no different. 

Jon put duty above love and he is the shield that guards the realms of men. 

Bran wont die, knows all history and can’t be corrupted. 

The starks started out as weak pawns in the game, by the end the 4 are all that’s standing 2 are monarchs and two are free to roam and do whatever makes them happy. 

I think this will be GRRM’s ending I wouldn’t bet against it now tbh

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9 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

Just another democracy is great wankfest. FFS

More of a Holy Roman Empire style electorate than democracy. Also the usual anti-Revolution message you get from anything American was there. 

 It was okay, all a bit 'nice' though. I can see why the true fans would not be happy. 

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Bran The Broken is a shit name. Why not just go ahead and call him Bran The Disabled?

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17 minutes ago, 6666 said:

Bran The Broken is a shit name. Why not just go ahead and call him Bran The Disabled?

Brandicapped. 

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Bran the spastic 

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Bran only told Jon about his parentage to drive Dany crazy so he could take the throne. He let The people die.

Best player in the game.

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I cant really think of a show that had that far of a drop in quality, through 5/6 seasons it was arguably the best ever and to see how this last season ended is just bloody tragic. The last episode wasnt even much of a let down; I expected very little and sure enough thats what we got.

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13 minutes ago, Viva la FCB said:

I cant really think of a show that had that far of a drop in quality, through 5/6 seasons it was arguably the best ever and to see how this last season ended is just bloody tragic. The last episode wasnt even much of a let down; I expected very little and sure enough thats what we got.

My sentiments exactly. 

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I have my issues with the season but I don't know what else people want from the last episode. It's hardly going to be jam packed with action, this one is more about resolutions and that's what we got. 

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