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9 minutes ago, Danny said:

No Kyle Walker again? What crack is Southgate smoking?

Should be a back-up goalkeeper for sure. 

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I was thinking about it the other day. We have actually got a decent team right now. I mean sterling is one of best players in the world right now. If him and Kane can really gel they could be unstoppable. Even in defense we have good players and if they get time together we could do well. We don't have world class defenders but we have good defenders. If we can get to the semis of euro 2020 at Wembley I really think we have a good chance. The country is behind England and any team in Europe wouldn't want to play there against us with the crowd right behind us.

 

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19 hours ago, Gunnersauraus said:

I was thinking about it the other day. We have actually got a decent team right now. I mean sterling is one of best players in the world right now. If him and Kane can really gel they could be unstoppable. Even in defense we have good players and if they get time together we could do well. We don't have world class defenders but we have good defenders. If we can get to the semis of euro 2020 at Wembley I really think we have a good chance. The country is behind England and any team in Europe wouldn't want to play there against us with the crowd right behind us. 

 

Really? Always got the impression an England crowd is pretty placid and full of families, nothing intimidating.

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Keane can have no complaints about getting dropped. Delph hasn't been pulling up any trees either and is in there simply by default along with Barkley.

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Delph is a utility player, is experienced and has won league titles. Not every choice needs to be on form...Delph and Grealish for example would not be competing for the same spot

Expect to see the below line up, I’d like to see Maddison in there. Mount as well but tbh I’m not sure he’s done enough to warrant a start and Henderson and Winks provide defensive cover that we’ll probably need

Pickford

Trippier - Stones - Maguire - Chilwell

Barkley - Henderson - Winks

Sancho - Kane - Sterling

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3 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Really? Always got the impression an England crowd is pretty placid and full of families, nothing intimidating.

When I went it was pretty much families and a fair amount of people come in from the south east. Complete contrast to the element of support England away can attract

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All kicked off with Sterling and Gomez apparently.

Sterling not considered for the Montenegro game.

Clearly, the Liverpool lads having banter with Sterling in particular and it's all gone pear shaped with emotions still running high.

Big statement by Southgate to leave out one of our star players. Clearly, his head isn't right after yesterday.

And to only drop Sterling suggests the main issue is him. Big call.

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Would love to know what Sterling has done/said which means he misses out and not Gomez or both of them. Wonder what the other Liverpool/City lads have said or done in the situation too. 

 

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1 hour ago, Stan said:

Would love to know what Sterling has done/said which means he misses out and not Gomez or both of them. Wonder what the other Liverpool/City lads have said or done in the situation too. 

 

Apparently, Joe Gomez said hi to him in the team canteen and Sterling said something like 'are you still the big man' in reference to them squaring up at the end of Sunday's game.

Read that from either the Mirror or Mail on Twitter so could be complete speculation that that's actually what was said.

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The tabloids will be overjoyed at this. They’ve waited on Sterling slipping up for a while. 

Sad that we’re losing our best player but if there has been an issue, I’m glad it’s been stamped on immediately and punishment handed out. 

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2 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

Apparently, Joe Gomez said hi to him in the team canteen and Sterling said something like 'are you still the big man' in reference to them squaring up at the end of Sunday's game.

Read that from either the Mirror or Mail on Twitter so could be complete speculation that that's actually what was said.

Must have been more that, surely? Probably another physical confrontation. Not often I agree with Rio Ferdinand but if it was just a tussle then surely this could have been kept in house?

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4 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Must have been more that, surely? Probably another physical confrontation. Not often I agree with Rio Ferdinand but if it was just a tussle then surely this could have been kept in house?

Story is that Sterling tried to get in his face a bit but Gomez just backed off when he realised Sterling was being serious. Again though, this is just what I've read from red top Twitter accounts so while I'm sure there's some truth to it I wouldn't take it as gospel.

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50 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

but if it was just a tussle then surely this could have been kept in house?

Begs the question if there's someone leaking info from inside SGP... 

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You know certain areas of the media have been waiting for Sterling to make a mistake. Especially after he’s been appointed England’s head of racism. Build them up and tear them back down.

Some absolute waffle in here comparing a recent 2 time Premier League winner in one of the best sides to ever grace the league to Tottenham Hotspur, a side with no silverware expectation whatsoever. Also as if Spurs haven’t been utter shit this season because of that loss.

He’a been a knob, he’s apologised, let it go. Stop following media narratives that they try to create about him.

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Gomez looked a right twat man-handling Sterling in the game tbf, even his facial expressions just scream disrespect, seems like it would be plausable that he goaded a reaction from him.

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By Rio Ferdinand

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GARETH has handled being England manager brilliantly - up to this point.

He has conducted himself in a admirable, eloquent & engaging way. Helping to make a Nation feel like they can have some sort of confidence & respect for the national team.
However, I feel this incident could have been handled better.

Keep it behind closed doors & deal with it internally surely?! Come International Week, it’s meet up time between Sterling & Gomez...  Raheem Sterling was still upset with Gomez about the result on Sunday & their little pushing/words said during the #lfc vs #mcfc game.

So he has obviously gone into the England camp heated & gone for Gomez, in doing so grabbed Gomez by the throat. Obviously as a manager I’m sure having a harmonious squad is the best scenario - handshakes and hugs on sight not confrontations. But let’s be honest now this kind of stuff isn’t uncommon in squads full of testosterone.

In the various squads I have been a part of I have seen players get punched in the face, ribs broken, nose busted, head kicked like a football.....a throat grab was the equivalent of the intricate handshake embraces that are all too familiar today!

The main question is: Why this couldn’t be handled internally? 

I suppose the management have felt it would be better to nip it in the bud prior to the press, agents, family friends leaking the news. However, the worst case on this instance would have been someone asking in a press conference “what happened between Raheem & Gomez, we heard there was a fight”. Easy answer & we have a game to concentrate on. Incident done and dusted. No player looks any worse, we move on.

Now Raheem is left to defend himself from all of the haters that had had their keyboards turnt off due to him becoming a very worthy ambassador for the English game, and rightly so.

If this was a terrible incident then I would be all for public shaming & discipline. But for this ‘throat grab’ that we are TOLD it’s for I can’t understand it.

Gareth would no doubt had seen worse many times during his time as a player and manager.
I just feel this could and should have been handled better to support the player & not hang him out to dry.

One of our World Class players who has conducted himself wonderfully through Racism and unwarranted criticism in an England shirt will now come under more scrutiny and be vilified in the media no doubt - when this could have been dealt with internally. Hindsight is a great thing though.

It seems to me, Raheem felt embarrassed by all that went on at the weekend.... a sign of winning mentality..... however channeled wrongly. Help educate him!

RF

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I think Rio has a fair point in the case of a player who's copped more than his fair share already and has people out there waiting to get on his back again.

If Sterling just grabbed him the way it's been reported I think the punishment meted it fits the crime but the media flak exceeds it.

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