Spike 5,100 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) Young players are overpriced. The market inefficiency which mid-size and small clubs should explore is players in the 25-30 years range, especially those playing out of the big 5 leagues. This is what Atalanta does and more teams should follow their lead. Edited September 2, 2020 by El Profesor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,100 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, El Profesor said: Young players are overpriced. The market inefficiency which mid-size and small clubs should explore is players in the 25-30 years range, especially those playing out of the big 5 leagues. This is what Atalanta does and more teams should follow their lead. Atalanta sells young players like clockwork and have done so for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,367 Posted September 2, 2020 Administrator Share Posted September 2, 2020 Just now, El Profesor said: Young players are overpriced. The market inefficiency which mid-size and small clubs should explore is players in the 25-30 years range playing out of the big 5 leagues. This is what Atalanta does and more teams should follow their lead. Or younger ones from clubs outside of those leagues. There are some proper gems if you look hard enough. A case in point being us signing a 23y/o Riyad Mahrez from a Ligue 2 Le Havre in 2014. Or a 24y/o Ngolo Kante from Caen (who had just been promoted to Ligue 1) in 2015. It does depend on how far a club is willing to send their scouts, and how extensive those scouting 'missions' are. I don't know about other clubs (but I suspect they are the same/similar) but our ethos is to identify a player and scout them for a very long time (about a year in some cases). We did so with Cambiasso and ended up getting him on a free for a season. The trouble for big clubs is they have an expectation to spend big, and sometimes for marketing purposes which is sad in itself as it shows the state of the game these days. But it's funny when a smaller club spends more to try and show some ambition anyway, they're criticised for it, mainly by the media. Can't upset the big-club apple-cart monopoly can we! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spike said: Atalanta sells young players like clockwork and have done so for years. They're really smart at identifying talent and using market inefficiencies at their advantage. Atalanta sells young players at a premium, they mostly use the young players to make cash, like Kulusevski. And they build their squad buying undervalued players in the 25-30 age range. If I'm not wrong, the average age of their squad last season was above 28 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Stan said: Or younger ones from clubs outside of those leagues. There are some proper gems if you look hard enough. A case in point being us signing a 23y/o Riyad Mahrez from a Ligue 2 Le Havre in 2014. Or a 24y/o Ngolo Kante from Caen (who had just been promoted to Ligue 1) in 2015. It does depend on how far a club is willing to send their scouts, and how extensive those scouting 'missions' are. I don't know about other clubs (but I suspect they are the same/similar) but our ethos is to identify a player and scout them for a very long time (about a year in some cases). We did so with Cambiasso and ended up getting him on a free for a season. The trouble for big clubs is they have an expectation to spend big, and sometimes for marketing purposes which is sad in itself as it shows the state of the game these days. But it's funny when a smaller club spends more to try and show some ambition anyway, they're criticised for it, mainly by the media. Can't upset the big-club apple-cart monopoly can we! I agree. The league impacts in the price of a player. Also, @Mpache has a point when he says nationality affects the evaluation of players. Brazilian young players at any of the big 12 clubs, for example, are way too overpriced. Mid-size and small european clubs in this case, should put more effort in identifying talent in other south american countries ir at smaller brazilian teams. Real Madrid bought Reinier for 30 million euros and they had to loan him to Dortmund because they're not sure of what they've really got in Reinier. Nobody knows, actually. He barely played at the profissional level. I mean, this is not a very smart use of money. Real can get away with it, but mid-size and small clubs don't and this is why I think they should look for different profiles of player. Edited September 2, 2020 by El Profesor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,100 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, El Profesor said: They're really smart at identifying talent and using market inefficiencies at their advantage. Atalanta sells young players at a premium, they mostly use the young players to make cash, like Kulusevski. And they build their squad buying undervalued players in the 25-30 age range. If I'm not wrong, the average age of their squad last season was above 28 years old. Yeah they made near 50mill on a player with one season's experience. Pretty clever really, I don't even know how Juve can afford it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spike said: Yeah they made near 50mill on a player with one season's experience. Pretty clever really, I don't even know how Juve can afford it all The Kulusevski signing was one of the few good moves Juve has done in recent times. They are quickly repeating Barcelona's steps. I mean, look at these salaries. ( This is from Gazzetta dello Sport.) Edited September 2, 2020 by El Profesor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,100 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, El Profesor said: The Kulusevski signing was one of the few good moves Juve has done in recent times. They are quickly repeating Barcelona's steps. I mean, look at these salaries. There is no way de SCOGLIO earns that much. Who is his agent? Raiola? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Spike said: There is no way de SCOGLIO earns that much. Who is his agent? Raiola? I'm not sure who his agent is, but I believe in these figures. Juve has been trying to offload him for years and never found a taker. This is a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,100 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, El Profesor said: I'm not sure who his agent is, but I believe in these figures. Juve has been trying to offload him for years and never found a taker. This is a disaster. You'll notice that is is all pear shaped after Giuseppe Marrotta left, and that Inter's transfers have been much more positive since he joined them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Spike said: You'll notice that is is all pear shaped after Giuseppe Marrotta left, and that Inter's transfers have been much more positive since he joined them. Marotta was right about the Ronaldo transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco 3,008 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Pity Martinez will never become elite. Despite being the South American POTY, he has failed miserably in Atlanta and is now being shipped to KSA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpache 672 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Eco said: Pity Martinez will never become elite. Despite being the South American POTY, he has failed miserably in Atlanta and is now being shipped to KSA. He was never that good to begin with, why I don't take these awards that seriously. They do mean something but don't speak for the quality of a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,100 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Eco said: Pity Martinez will never become elite. Despite being the South American POTY, he has failed miserably in Atlanta and is now being shipped to KSA. 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of players won't become elite. There are probably like five actually elite players at any given moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Just now, Spike said: 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of players won't become elite. There are probably like five actually elite players at any given moment. I would consider most footballers in the top leagues "Elite" Its your line to draw though I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,100 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Just now, Devil-Dick Willie said: I would consider most footballers in the top leagues "Elite" Its your line to draw though I guess. I think of the best of the best. So Messi, Neuer, Cristiano, Ramos, as players that instantly come to mind. Blokes that literally stand on their own with their personalities, achievements, and dedication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Spike said: I think of the best of the best. So Messi, Neuer, Cristiano, Ramos, as players that instantly come to mind. Blokes that literally stand on their own with their personalities, achievements, and dedication. You're telling me Kevin Davies and Jozy Altidore aren't elite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: You're telling me Kevin Davies and Jozy Altidore aren't elite? Or as he was renamed at Sunderland... Lazy Cannotscore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco 3,008 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: I would consider most footballers in the top leagues "Elite" Its your line to draw though I guess. I'd say if you can start for a top club in Europe, you are elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub 2,508 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Elite > World Class > Amazing/Great > Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco 3,008 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Just now, Azeem said: Elite > World Class > Amazing/Great > Good Using that logic, he'll never be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,265 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Just now, Azeem said: Elite > World Class > Amazing/Great > Good World Class > Elite > Great > Good > Paolo Guerrero 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Batard 2,534 Posted September 3, 2020 Administrator Share Posted September 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Cicero said: World Class > Elite > Great > Good > Paolo Guerrero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,100 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 That bald cunt Aaron Mooy has more to play for than already moving to China. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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