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Something we can all engage in as a community to respectively discuss who we all feel should be in the greatest ever starting XI. 

For each position, we will put our nominations in and debate who we feel deserves a place. After each member has given their vote, all nominations will be added to determine who wins the spot. If there is a draw, there will be an elimination tournament. 

I will allow a day or maybe a day and a half for everyone to participate in each round, depending on the amount of activity. 

 

We will start the discussion with ...

BEST FORMATION EVER

 

I'll start with my preferred 4-3-3

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Starting with goal-keeper, Gianluigi Buffon gets my vote for best keeper in my lifetime. 

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Zeman's 4-3-3 is the only way to go.

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4-3-3 is how I'd go. Players like Figo who played predominantly on the wings can be used as Strikers.

In goal i think I'll go for Iker Casillas ahead of Ginaluigi Buffon.

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Let's start with formation first. 

 

4-3-3 with three votes. 

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Gianluigi Buffon

Philipp Lahm    Franco Baresi    Carles Puyol    Paolo Maldini

Sergio Busquets

Xavi     Diego Maradona    Johan Cruyff

Lionel Messi    Marco van Basten

 

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1 minute ago, Cicero said:

Obviously none of you read the instructions

Ok formation...  An innovated 4-4-2 which isn't a 4-4-2 but is on paper.

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2 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

Gianluigi Buffon

Philipp Lahm    Franco Baresi    Carles Puyol    Paolo Maldini

Sergio Busquets

Xavi     Diego Maradona    Johan Cruyff

Lionel Messi    Marco van Basten

 

Busquets? All-time?! 

Granted I'm just talking in my lifetime, but for me players like Pirlo, Gattuso, Xabi Alonso, Scholes were better in that kind of midfield role.

Iniesta makes me All-time XI regardless of any standard formation. 

@Cicero, happy with 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.

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2 minutes ago, StanLCFC said:

Busquets? All-time?! 

Granted I'm just talking in my lifetime, but for me players like Pirlo, Gattuso, Xabi Alonso, Scholes were better in that kind of midfield role.

Iniesta makes me All-time XI regardless of any standard formation. 

@Cicero, happy with 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.

Pirlo and Scholes weren't defensive midfielders ever!

Busquets was and is superior to Xabi Alonso (everyone in Spain admits this) and definitely Gattuso who was just all energy.

He is the best defensive midfielder in my lifetime.

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fair enough. each to their own.

Pirlo definitely was a defensive midfielder, anchor-man kind of player, though and would make any XI for me.

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Just now, StanLCFC said:

fair enough. each to their own.

Pirlo definitely was a defensive midfielder, anchor-man kind of player, though and would make any XI for me.

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No he wasn't mate!  He was a play maker in the ilk of Iniesta, Platini, Maradona or Scholes...  He isn't and wasn't as good as any of those I've just mentioned but he was great,.

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2 hours ago, SirBalon said:

Gianluigi Buffon

Philipp Lahm    Franco Baresi    Carles Puyol    Paolo Maldini

Sergio Busquets

Xavi     Diego Maradona    Johan Cruyff

Lionel Messi    Marco van Basten

 

No Dennis :o

 

without been biased I would have Rijkaard in the defensive midfield, he was the complete player. 

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I wouldnt go with a 4 3 3 as it only works with the right players, a lot of formations can fit a lot of sorts of players but with the 4 3 3 the main part is the midfield linking up with the attack, this was famously described by Johan Cruyff when he wanted to educate a couple of pundits that the midfield with the attack need to make a diamond, it will also need the right coach.    It is a very common formation these days but used in the wrong way by a lot of coaches because the striker gets isolated so much, this is seen a lot by the current Dutch team and recently with Arsenal with Arsene Wenger, who continue playing the same way but with no effect as they refuse to change their styles even though it is damaging their results.   The most success a lot of clubs have had is a 4 4 1 1, it gives strength in midfield with a supplier and goal scorer. 

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8 hours ago, VanPanna said:

No Dennis :o

 

without been biased I would have Rijkaard in the defensive midfield, he was the complete player. 

Mate, I also left out Iniesta.

But I got to enjoy Cruyff in his final years which is why I've included him in there otherwise it would've been Iniesta in that position.

The reason I didn't put in Bergkamp (you know he's one of my favourites) is because I already put in Messi for the fantastical forward and the other one had to be a goal machine and for me the best goal machine I ever saw was Marco van Basten.

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How many people would have Kante in their side? Genuine question.

Can you imagine how effective Kante and Makelele would be. Nothing would get through those. Defences would be able to rock up with deckchairs and just chill.

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3 hours ago, StanLCFC said:

How many people would have Kante in their side? Genuine question.

Can you imagine how effective Kante and Makelele would be. Nothing would get through those. Defences would be able to rock up with deckchairs and just chill.

None of which have the ability to really control a game though. Having both is just defensive overkill. 

4-3-3 (3) 

4-4-2 (1)

4-3-2-1 (1)

4-2-3-1 (1)

3-4-3 (1)

 

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On 09/03/2017 at 6:08 AM, Cicero said:

Best-soccer-players.jpg

 

Something we can all engage in as a community to respectively discuss who we all feel should be in the greatest ever starting XI. 

For each position, we will put our nominations in and debate who we feel deserves a place. After each member has given their vote, all nominations will be added to determine who wins the spot. If there is a draw, there will be an elimination tournament. 

I will allow a day or maybe a day and a half for everyone to participate in each round, depending on the amount of activity. 

 

We will start the discussion with ...

BEST FORMATION EVER

 

I'll start with my preferred 4-3-3

I'd actually start the discussion with an open Question on how to go about this... do you decide on a formation first and then pick the best players that fit that regardless of whether Messi misses out, or do you take a couple of formations through and fill both and then decide which is the stronger team at the end of it?

A manager would go formation first but that's based on them having a certain style of play and tactical approach. Not applicable to us in the TF365 arena...

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I'd go with 4-3-3, it's the most balanced when creating a team like this.

With the GK vote, love Buffon but my vote has to be for Iker Casillas.

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15 minutes ago, Harry said:

I'd actually start the discussion with an open Question on how to go about this... do you decide on a formation first and then pick the best players that fit that regardless of whether Messi misses out, or do you take a couple of formations through and fill both and then decide which is the stronger team at the end of it?

A manager would go formation first but that's based on them having a certain style of play and tactical approach. Not applicable to us in the TF365 arena...

A manager would go with players first, surely? When they start with a new team, they already have a list of players at their disposable. Sure, they can add more but there are various restrictions on that and even managers of international teams have a limited number of players at the highest level available to them.

 

Pedantry aside, I agree with you. My ideal formation on paper, for example, would be 3-5-2 because it gives you numbers in key areas, but you absolutely have to have the right players to play it, and I'm not sure that any of those players would otherwise get into an all-time XI on merit.

The other issue I have is this: I don't know how old we all are on here, but I'd wager not many of us are old enough to have seen Pele or Maradona in their prime. What about Stanley Matthews? So how can we legitimately argue which, if any, of them should be in the team over Ronaldo or Messi?

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1 hour ago, Burning Gold said:

A manager would go with players first, surely? When they start with a new team, they already have a list of players at their disposable. Sure, they can add more but there are various restrictions on that and even managers of international teams have a limited number of players at the highest level available to them.

 

Pedantry aside, I agree with you. My ideal formation on paper, for example, would be 3-5-2 because it gives you numbers in key areas, but you absolutely have to have the right players to play it, and I'm not sure that any of those players would otherwise get into an all-time XI on merit.

The other issue I have is this: I don't know how old we all are on here, but I'd wager not many of us are old enough to have seen Pele or Maradona in their prime. What about Stanley Matthews? So how can we legitimately argue which, if any, of them should be in the team over Ronaldo or Messi?

To make it fair according to knowledge, I would say that only players you have witnessed in your lifetime should be selected by each member.  Otherwise the one I done by mistake further up would change slightly.

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3-4-3 diamond for me, like Cruyff and Van Gaal played in the 1990s.

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After a couple days of voting, TF365's preferred formation is the 4-3-3

ST

LW--------------------------------RW

CM-------------CM

DM

LB---------CB----------CB--------RB

GK

 

We will now begin the voting for the greatest GK of all time, I will start the voting with Buffon

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