Panflute 670 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Definitive exit polls: VVD (liberal, Rutte) 31 PVV (right, Wilders) 19 CDA (christian-democrat) 19 D66 (progressive) 19 GL (greens) 16 SP (socialist) 14 PvdA (labour) 9 ChristenUnie (christian-progressive) 6 PvdD (ecologists) 5 50+ (party for elderly) 4 SGP (christian-conservative) 3 DENK (Erdogan satellite party) 3 FvD (right, Baudet) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panflute 670 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Disappointing result so far. I'd hoped for 4 seats for FvD, and not so much support for the pathological liar Rutte. However, the decimation of Labour (from 38 to 9 seats) is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Panflute said: Another in-depth article by me:https://epeuthutebetes.wordpress.com/2017/03/15/thierry-baudet-the-rising-star-of-dutch-politics/ Sorry you wrote that? Are you a blogger? If so share your shit, I find your posts often interesting and agreeable. 31 minutes ago, Panflute said: Definitive exit polls: VVD (liberal, Rutte) 31 PVV (right, Wilders) 19 CDA (christian-democrat) 19 D66 (progressive) 19 GL (greens) 16 SP (socialist) 14 PvdA (labour) 9 ChristenUnie (christian-progressive) 6 PvdD (ecologists) 5 50+ (party for elderly) 4 SGP (christian-conservative) 3 DENK (Erdogan satellite party) 3 FvD (right, Baudet) 2 I thought VVD were centre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panflute 670 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Just now, Fairy In Boots said: Sorry you wrote that? Are you a blogger? If so share your shit, I find your posts often interesting and agreeable. I thought VVD were centre? I just write stuff from time to time. Liberal doesn't mean the same thing in Holland as it does in the Anglosphere. Here it's fiscally conservative and socially (fairly) progressive. So VVD would be centre-right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Panflute said: I just write stuff from time to time. Liberal doesn't mean the same thing in Holland as it does in the Anglosphere. Here it's fiscally conservative and socially (fairly) progressive. So VVD would be centre-right. Well congrats to you for getting published on others sites then. And yes I thought they were centre right, so as the PvDD has collapsed and the Greens have picked up most of that, would you say on the whole leftist parties have lost a bit here? Also because Wilders didn't win the pro EU media will declare populism is dead. But to me looking on with a very basic knowledge of your system it seems it's a bit more right, do you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panflute 670 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 PvdA* is the big loser. I wouldn't say the left has lost overall. GL and D66 both count as left-wing parties to me, except they have different niches (GL is obviously about the environment and D66 is about individualism). Combined, the left wing has about 63 seats. Contrast that to the right (PVV, SGP and FVD), which have only 24 seats combined, and there is little hope left in this country for those of us on the right wing of the political spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 What happens to Dijsselbloem? Is he likely to be involved in a coalition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panflute 670 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 20 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said: What happens to Dijsselbloem? Is he likely to be involved in a coalition? PvdA is highly unlikely to participate, so I don't think so. However, his position in Europe has nothing to do with these elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 13 hours ago, Panflute said: I was among the first at my polling station. You did not show the whole thing! I get it is not mandatory to present full lists, right? In Spain it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Just now, Kowabunga said: UPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Panflute said: PvdA is highly unlikely to participate, so I don't think so. However, his position in Europe has nothing to do with these elections. If he isn't finance minister anymore he won't be in the Eurogroup or President of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 minute ago, HoneyNUFC said: If he isn't finance minister anymore he won't be in the Eurogroup or President of it. Would that mean that de Guindos would come in? *shivers* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Just now, Kowabunga said: Would that mean that de Guindos would come in? *shivers* I believe he is favourite but it should be Tsakalotos for the lolz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said: I believe he is favourite but it should be Tsakalotos for the lolz. Yes! There has to be always a Dutch-born managing the Eurogroup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panflute 670 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Cue all the hot takes on 'the wave of populism' has been stopped, even though it was obvious to everyone that Wilders was never going to be prime minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 The FT and BBC have called it a rejection of Wilders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,602 Posted March 16, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2017 Looks like a good outcome all in all. Luckily most Dutch seem to have kept some sense. France and Germany next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panflute 670 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 6 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said: The FT and BBC have called it a rejection of Wilders. That's funny because Wilders gained 33% and became the second-largest party of the country. Observers who call this 'a victory over populism' generally have little clue about Dutch politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco 3,008 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I'll have to spend some time reading your articles @Panflute as the election wasn't covered well over here and from the sounds of it, seems vastly different than what I'm used to. Are you happy with the outcome though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panflute 670 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 20 minutes ago, ATL said: I'll have to spend some time reading your articles @Panflute as the election wasn't covered well over here and from the sounds of it, seems vastly different than what I'm used to. Are you happy with the outcome though? Not really. There are some positive notes, but this means that we will get more of the same, which isn't good enough. Then again, a satisfactory outcome was not really possible anyway. Positive points: FVD has 2 seats and can now get subsidy (they were crowdfunded up until now) and will get more media coverage. They now have the means to make their party grow from here. PVV became the 2nd party of the country. Even though I don't trust Wilders, it is important that he keeps driving the political spectrum further to the right, so that parties like FVD can flourish and anti-EU sentiments stay alive. The Labour party collapsed entirely, netting the biggest loss in Dutch political history with a negative 29 seats. We are not yet relieved from them, as their cancerous tentacles reach far into society, but it's a start. The disgusting hipster Green party didn't get as many seats as projected, and the more old-school Socialist Party (which I respect a lot) is the biggest party on the left. The ecologist Party for Animals gained a few seats, which may sound insignificant, but I am very pro-preservation of nature, as well as working to reduce and eventually abolish industrial farming. Their leftist social agenda I could do without, though. Negative points: Mark Rutte gets rewarded for being a pathological liar with a very probable third term as prime minister. It is a bit of a tradition in the Netherlands that deceivers and other fuck-ups don't get the punishment they deserve, and it's very frustrating. AKP satellite party DENK gained 3 seats. In a way this is positive because we now know how big the fifth column is, but on the other hand it also means that their leader, Tunahan Kuzu will get access to state secrets, which will inevitably end up in the hands of Erdogan. Green Party and Progressives (D66), who are both very open about their desire to abolish this country, will likely form part of a new government. The totally useless party for the elderly keeps growing, because apparently the babyboom generation isn't yet rich enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Panflute said: Observers who call this 'a victory over populism' generally have little clue about Dutch politics. That is an incredibly naïve comment. In hindsight the pill of reality is 1) Few outside observers are actually interested in Dutch domestic politics, other than how it conflates with a wide scope narrative. 2) Mainstream politicians are gonna capture and sell that narrative. Which in this Post-truth politics is pretty much a BIG thing. The same way populists would have done if results had gone different (idk, the single-member party with most votes balloting at 30 %). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panflute 670 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Just now, Kowabunga said: That is an incredibly naïve comment. In hindsight the pill of reality is 1) Few outside observers are actually interested in Dutch domestic politics, other than how it conflates with a wide scope narrative. 2) Mainstream politicians are gonna capture and sell that narrative. Which in this Post-truth politics is pretty much a BIG thing. The same way populists would have done if results had gone different (idk, the single-member party with most votes balloting at 30 %). I know the lack of interest generates misconceptions (still, a journalist is supposed to do his job, support claims with facts and research, etc.), but even people here are buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Panflute said: but even people here are buying it. Haha. Magical, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panflute 670 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 On 3/15/2017 at 0:12 AM, Panflute said: Wilders will not win. He is a terrible campaigner. First thing tomorrow, I will vote for Thierry Baudet and his Forum voor Democratie, the most promising Dutch politician I have seen in my lifetime. As for the coalition, unless we have major upsets, it will probably a centrist government with VVD of Mark Rutte as the biggest party, joined by CDA (christian-democrats), D66 (progressive centrists) and Groen Links (Greens/Left-centrist liberals). Aaand it's looking like it'll be that coalition. GL voters already feel betrayed. 👌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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