Dr. Gonzo 8,185 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Yeah gambles that have failed don't mean there was no ambition. I just don't think Chelsea really have a cohesive plan. And the culture at Chelsea, where you know players can just play within themselves unless it's a big match (which we saw at the tail end of last season) because they know they'll be safe & the manager is fucked, certainly doesn't help for planning in the future. But it's not like all of the top 6 aren't looking to build on their previous seasons. And in recent seasons you were champions - so your squad is most likely better than it demonstrated this season. Spending money doesn't create some god given right to win the league, otherwise Leeds wouldn't have had such an unpleasant recent history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,185 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 And back to Fekir, reports in France are that he's told Aulas he wants to leave for Liverpool and wants his future sorted before the world cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 37 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: Poor spending doesn't equal lack of ambition, rather that your recent managers and scouts etc are getting it wrong. The money is still there. Didn't you lot spunk £65-£70m on Morata? See, that is showing ambition but money just being spent poorly by those charged with looking after transfers. But that just goes back to my intital post. That Ambition and Competence go hand in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,185 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Cicero said: But that just goes back to my intital post. That Ambition and Competence go hand in hand. They're not mutually exclusive. Newcastle's board was not ambitious, but competence on the pitch got them to a 10th place spot. Everton were ambitious when they spent fuckloads of money in the summer, but they weren't competent and that's why they ended up with a million #10s and played dogshite football all season even with a manager swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: They're not mutually exclusive. Newcastle's board was not ambitious, but competence on the pitch got them to a 10th place spot. Everton were ambitious when they spent fuckloads of money in the summer, but they weren't competent and that's why they ended up with a million #10s and played dogshite football all season even with a manager swap. If a club wants to be ambitious, there needs to be competence with their signings. City were, were weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ 3,613 Posted May 31, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted May 31, 2018 Two things I seem to notice the more videos I watch of this guy are how alert he is in situations when things go wrong. Most players are trotting (maybe its League 1) but he's a little faster to recover from situations his team has lost the ball in. The other is how he just muscles people off the ball when he's getting pushed down corridors. Maybe he will amount to nothing if he comes or he'll work his way in like Firmino and Roberston but we have to wait and see how the transfer goes first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Nabil Fekir’s agent has confirmed Liverpool are interested but has warned a deal is far from done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,185 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/lyon-finally-indicate-allow-nabil-12658388?3 Here it's saying that Fekir's indicated he only wants to go to Liverpool - obviously great news for us. The problem is now getting Lyon to agree on a price. Apparently we're some way off in the valuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ 3,613 Posted June 6, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted June 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/lyon-finally-indicate-allow-nabil-12658388?3 Here it's saying that Fekir's indicated he only wants to go to Liverpool - obviously great news for us. The problem is now getting Lyon to agree on a price. Apparently we're some way off in the valuation. Am I reading the end of that right? Shaqiri is a Liverpool target too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,185 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, Mel81x said: Am I reading the end of that right? Shaqiri is a Liverpool target too? Yup. That's been said by a number of pretty well trusted LFC journalists now - Maddock, Reddy, and Joyce. Not sure how I feel about it - we need depth, but I also think he's a bit shit. Having said that, it seems like each year Klopp likes to sign a relegated player and rehabilitate them and I don't think Gini and Robertson have been poor signings at all. But the news that Fekir's got his heart set on a move to us as long as we can agree a fee is also being reported by the same journos too. So that's comforting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ 3,613 Posted June 6, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted June 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Yup. That's been said by a number of pretty well trusted LFC journalists now - Maddock, Reddy, and Joyce. Not sure how I feel about it - we need depth, but I also think he's a bit shit. Having said that, it seems like each year Klopp likes to sign a relegated player and rehabilitate them and I don't think Gini and Robertson have been poor signings at all. But the news that Fekir's got his heart set on a move to us as long as we can agree a fee is also being reported by the same journos too. So that's comforting. From the numbers reported its around 12M for Shaqiri so I can't see that being too bad a purchase as he turns up now and then. And you're right about the comfort of knowing Fekir wants to come to Anfield but this is still the negotiation phase so we shall see. I just hope we close it before the WC not after because we all know how the WC inflates everyone's price-tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Yup. That's been said by a number of pretty well trusted LFC journalists now - Maddock, Reddy, and Joyce. Not sure how I feel about it - we need depth, but I also think he's a bit shit. Having said that, it seems like each year Klopp likes to sign a relegated player and rehabilitate them and I don't think Gini and Robertson have been poor signings at all. But the news that Fekir's got his heart set on a move to us as long as we can agree a fee is also being reported by the same journos too. So that's comforting. In terms of pure talent I think Shaqiri is class, just needs to be consistent. Feel like Klopp could get that out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike 3,009 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I'd definitely have Shaqiri for squad depth. Never a regular starter for us but he's surely worth a go as a squad player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike 3,009 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 The Echo is reporting a deal is close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,381 Posted June 7, 2018 Administrator Share Posted June 7, 2018 The Echo is reporting a deal is close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 BBC now reporting it's close. 140 million now for Liverpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,185 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 If this goes through we likely have a new starting midfield trio, with all of our CMs from last year as depth. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Have to say I am a bit jealous. That is three massive signings for Liverpool and clearly upgrade the team, all before the world cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Cicero said: Have to say I am a bit jealous. That is three massive signings for Liverpool and clearly upgrade the team, all before the world cup. It's like you've gone back to 2009/2010 and swapped places. Liverpool getting shit done, spending big on big names and Chelsea faffing around with the manager and board at odds, trying to sort out failed signings from the previous year. Still think Liverpool need another decent centre back and goalie to be title challengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike 3,009 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: It's like you've gone back to 2009/2010 and swapped places. Liverpool getting shit done, spending big on big names and Chelsea faffing around with the manager and board at odds, trying to sort out failed signings from the previous year. Still think Liverpool need another decent centre back and goalie to be title challengers. Another attacker too for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Liverpool fans too scared to let go of their privileged "we're a big club that spend a lot but don't expect us to win anything" status. You've spent the title challenge money. If you don't win the title then your target wasn't achieved. You've failed. We say the same about Man Utd when they spend a lot and it should be the case for Liverpool as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, 6666 said: Liverpool fans too scared to let go of their privileged "we're a big club that spend a lot but don't expect us to win anything" status. You've spent the title challenge money. If you don't win the title then your target wasn't achieved. You've failed. We say the same about Man Utd when they spend a lot and it should be the case for Liverpool as well. Someone's getting arsey 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,185 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, 6666 said: Liverpool fans too scared to let go of their privileged "we're a big club that spend a lot but don't expect us to win anything" status. You've spent the title challenge money. If you don't win the title then your target wasn't achieved. You've failed. We say the same about Man Utd when they spend a lot and it should be the case for Liverpool as well. Yep, cracked the top 4 two seasons in a row and our board has the ambition to try and kick on further. Jealous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 We will have a totally different midfield next season. Fabinho, Kieta and Fekir behind Mane, Firmino and Salah.... Get ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Yep, cracked the top 4 two seasons in a row and our board has the ambition to try and kick on further. Jealous? You're the first Liverpool fan acknowledging that you're now going up a level to compete for the title. Everyone else is on a "we're not ready yet, we don't have enough, no expectations please" campaign. Liverpool are putting together a very good side with a lot of money and should be in the race next season. That's all I'm saying. I'm praising Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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