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Are Senegal better than England?

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An injury-free selection of players to choose from managed by the 2002 captain with the experience and class of Koulibaly, Mane, Balde and Niang.

Are Senegal the surprise team we would rather avoid in the next round?

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No. Would rather face them than the likes of Colombia, Poland or any of the favourites to win the tournament. 

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1 minute ago, Kitchen Sales said:

Who?

The country that produced for you Mo Diame. Now show some respect.

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In squads, no they aren't better. But you can make a very strong argument if they impress in one or 2 games. Just like Algeria at the last world cup, not better than England on paper but a hell of a lot better on the pitch.

Same goes for England.

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In theory they aren't but I wouldn't be gobsmacked if they outperform us. It's a lot about how you can make your team greater than the sum of its parts and for too long England have overlooked that in favour of shoehorning players into the side.

Southgate however seems to have realised this so I'm actually quite hopeful we won't be completely humiliated this summer.

It cannot possibly be worse than either of the last two.

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1 hour ago, The Palace Fan said:

The country that produced for you Mo Diame. Now show some respect.

Err I'm fairly certain Mo is from a place called Wigan in Lancashire.

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I mean with those 4 its probably better on paper.

I've not seen as much of Senegal as I would've liked but they did underperform in the AFCON after I thought they would win it. That maybe says something. That's why I'm reserving judgement. I don't think they are better on paper but its not like they are far worse either.

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If I was Senegal, I'd just concentrate on making it out the group. Poland and Colombia will be bloody tough opponents to finish above IMO and if Senegal manage that, they'll have deserved a second round game.

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we can discuss it all we want here, base our arguments from statistics and shit, but one thing's for sure,  that question can only be answered this summer on how far can these teams go in the tournament .......

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7 minutes ago, bozziovai said:

we can discuss it all we want here, base our arguments from statistics and shit, but one thing's for sure,  that question can only be answered this summer on how far can these teams go in the tournament .......

Don't say that I'm trying to create discussion xD

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1 hour ago, bozziovai said:

we can discuss it all we want here, base our arguments from statistics and shit, but one thing's for sure,  that question can only be answered this summer on how far can these teams go in the tournament .......

Tough crowd.

He's done you there @The Palace Fan

 

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3 minutes ago, Lucas said:

Tough crowd.

He's done you there @The Palace Fan

 

it's understandable that we have a lot of scenarios in our heads at the moment due to pure excitement for the World Cup just a month away .............. i'm not trying to be a smart-arse though.   coz even me have tons of WHAT IFs but i just refrain myself and wait for the tournament to unfold  :P  

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Just now, bozziovai said:

it's understandable that we have a lot of scenarios in our heads at the moment due to pure excitement for the World Cup just a month away .............. i'm not trying to be a smart-arse though.   coz even me have tons of WHAT IFs but i just refrain myself and wait for the tournament to unfold  :P  

Wise man. There's no flies on you fella.

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20 minutes ago, Lucas said:

Wise man. There's no flies on you fella.

i had a very bad experience last 1998, was expecting Brazil to walk over France in the Finals only to witness the destruction of Brazil by Zidane, didn't went to school for 3 days and it took me a couple of weeks to get over Brazil's loss :P  :P 

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No they're not, but it's England so anyone can beat us on their day

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Senegal aren't better than England at all.  But they have a few players that can tip the balance to one side if they're really on their day and your team doesn't play at 100% by not taking them seriously enough.

Anyone can beat almost anyone if the planets align the,selves correctly if you know what I mean.

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True. Beating someone and being better than someone are not the same thing.

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On 5/25/2018 at 17:44, Dan said:

In theory they aren't but I wouldn't be gobsmacked if they outperform us. It's a lot about how you can make your team greater than the sum of its parts and for too long England have overlooked that in favour of shoehorning players into the side.

Southgate however seems to have realised this so I'm actually quite hopeful we won't be completely humiliated this summer.

It cannot possibly be worse than either of the last two.

Don't really disagree with you generally, but playing walker as a centre back has shown that the old frailties when it comes to team selection are still there for England.

 

People talk about him being there for his pace, but what about, you know, defending? hes already cost the team a goal (though you cant really blame him 100% as hes not familiar with the position) and when you play a team who can attack you, he might well get exposed a lot more.

 

I was impressed by Senegal,  and they certainly have enough about them to cause England issues - it also looks like a game between the two might be likely now.

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I'm not sure about Senegal. Both their goals were very fortunate. On another day that game stays 0-0 as they weren't that threatening before the opening goal. 

 

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2 hours ago, Paulh_85 said:

Don't really disagree with you generally, but playing walker as a centre back has shown that the old frailties when it comes to team selection are still there for England.

 

People talk about him being there for his pace, but what about, you know, defending? hes already cost the team a goal (though you cant really blame him 100% as hes not familiar with the position) and when you play a team who can attack you, he might well get exposed a lot more.

 

I was impressed by Senegal,  and they certainly have enough about them to cause England issues - it also looks like a game between the two might be likely now.

That's all fair and I agree to an extent, and if Walker is shown up at centre half, then I agree Southgate's gotten it wrong - but was Walker's error down to poor defending (ie, positioning) or just a moment of madness? I'd argue the latter.

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8 minutes ago, Dan said:

That's all fair and I agree to an extent, and if Walker is shown up at centre half, then I agree Southgate's gotten it wrong - but was Walker's error down to poor defending (ie, positioning) or just a moment of madness? I'd argue the latter.

it was Maguire's fault obvs

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9 minutes ago, Dan said:

That's all fair and I agree to an extent, and if Walker is shown up at centre half, then I agree Southgate's gotten it wrong - but was Walker's error down to poor defending (ie, positioning) or just a moment of madness? I'd argue the latter.

I would say he's a right back who's large part of his game is speed and physicality, whilst good technically it's not his strongest asset and so moving to centre back and defending like a centre back will cause strange decision making for a centre back. Was never a penalty but he could have dealt with it better.

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9 minutes ago, Dan said:

That's all fair and I agree to an extent, and if Walker is shown up at centre half, then I agree Southgate's gotten it wrong - but was Walker's error down to poor defending (ie, positioning) or just a moment of madness? I'd argue the latter.

i'd argue both, he panicked IMO and was trying to shield a ball he could have dealt with far better.

or to put it another way, would Cahill have given that penalty away? will never know 100% but i'd gamble on no.

 

The problem goes back to the previous point about shoehorning players in, he obviously likes trippier out on the right but doesnt want to drop Walker. Its a big call for sure but for me seems the most logical one

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8 minutes ago, Paulh_85 said:

i'd argue both, he panicked IMO and was trying to shield a ball he could have dealt with far better.

or to put it another way, would Cahill have given that penalty away? will never know 100% but i'd gamble on no.

 

The problem goes back to the previous point about shoehorning players in, he obviously likes trippier out on the right but doesnt want to drop Walker. Its a big call for sure but for me seems the most logical one

I like both but Walker's best attributes as mentioned above is his pace and ability to get up and down the flank as an attacking full back.

I'd have Walker playing where Tripper is, as a RWB, and have 3 natural centre-backs playing in the CB positions.

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