Dr. Gonzo 8,177 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, SirBalon said: Taking into account so many Brazilians believe in Gérson's Law (which curiously has a football connotation considering what this forum is about), then having a politician that isn't involved in any type of corruption is a very big start. @El Profesor Yeah but he thinks that Brazil's military dictatorship was a good thing and that they should have had the balls to kill 30,000 people to still be in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Dr. Gonzo said: Yeah but he thinks that Brazil's military dictatorship was a good thing and that they should have had the balls to kill 30,000 people to still be in power. People sometimes say things for impact (look to Boris Johnson and his minions) and although immoral and vastly unethical, he's not going to bring in Military Law to Brazil. Put it this way... They had the left and he's in prison because he stole the people's money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,177 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, SirBalon said: People sometimes say things for impact (look to Boris Johnson and his minions) and although immoral and vastly unethical, he's not going to bring in Military Law to Brazil. Put it this way... They had the left and he's in prison because he stole the people's money. The thing about electing autocrats to power is they tend to then look to expand their powers (like Erdogan) and tend not to peacefully leave their office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: The thing about electing autocrats to power is they tend to then look to expand their powers (like Erdogan) and tend not to peacefully leave their office. Bolsonaro isn't a terrorist like Erdogan is and as far as Turkey has managed to achieve economically, Brazil is a more accepting state and more in tune with comprehending western ideals... Put it this way, there is no cultural association in any manner at all with which you could assume any sensation of being at odds with western society. An Erdogan argument can't be used in this case as there isn't a version of Kurdish culture in Brazil. What there is, is a bad cultural problem associated to wanting to own what doesn't belong to you and wanting to ascertain that which takes time to acquire... How he pretends to solve this cultural problem I have no idea how he pretends to fix this but not being associated to corruption is a massive start in Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, SirBalon said: People sometimes say things for impact (look to Boris Johnson and his minions) and although immoral and vastly unethical, he's not going to bring in Military Law to Brazil. Put it this way... They had the left and he's in prison because he stole the people's money. Hold my beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, SirBalon said: Bolsonaro isn't a terrorist like Erdogan is and as far as Turkey has managed to achieve economically, Brazil is a more accepting state and more in tune with comprehending western ideals... Put it this way, there is no cultural association in any manner at all with which you could assume any sensation of being at odds with western society. An Erdogan argument can't be used in this case as there isn't a version of Kurdish culture in Brazil. What there is, is a bad cultural problem associated to wanting to own what doesn't belong to you and wanting to ascertain that which takes time to acquire... How he pretends to solve this cultural problem I have no idea how he pretends to fix this but not being associated to corruption is a massive start in Brazil. Bolsonaro has all the traces of becoming a State criminal when in rule, the most outstanding example in this regard being currently Rodrigo Duterte. Certainly worse than Sultan Erdogan in this regard. Brazil is a heavily conservative, racist and classist country where the minimal shred of civilization in term of "western" social norms (what you and me may understand them to be) holding a modicum of tune with what you are thinking of is being dissolved right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, Kowabunga said: Bolsonaro has all the traces of becoming a State criminal when in rule, the most outstanding example in this regard being currently Rodrigo Duterte. Certainly worse than Sultan Erdogan in this regard. Brazil is a heavily conservative, racist and classist country where the minimal shred of civilization in term of "western" social norms (what you and me may understand them to be) holding a modicum of tune with what you are thinking of is being dissolved right now. Right now we only have the example and history of others that didn't work and were corrupt. One is in prison for it... Sometimes it takes something that doesn't seem logical or run of the mill to put things into order. What you nor I know is the future and right this minute the Brazilians are tired of thieves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, SirBalon said: Right now we only have the example and history of others that didn't work and were corrupt. One is in prison for it... Sometimes it takes something that doesn't seem logical or run of the mill to put things into order. What you nor I know is the future and right this minute the Brazilians are tired of thieves. I think you are mixing this with other similar recent rises of right wing populists. In Europe we are seeing reactionary stances against the perceived changes in society. At least the very extreme parts of it are somewhat disguised/concealed. In this Brazilian case, we may be a tad farther, we are past to the next level, if you may. We are seeing a comprehensive rejection of what we understand by "democratic values", propelling a full blown authoritarian to power (he will have far less scruples than -for example- Trump when becoming aware of his presidential limits, of course). All of this, because of people are rightly fed up of both violence and the system, and also because of the connivence of these spineless "moderate civilized right"[sic] elites appeasing him because, you know, the Chicago Boys' economic tunes Paulo Guedes* is selling to us sound so tasty (EDIT: I forget, also because of the rise of radical right evangelical movements, the native salafists of our very own "beloved Christian lands"). I mean, Henrique Cardoso, once singled out as the first aim of the Bolsonaro's 30,000 targets assasination spree, hasn't given a fuck about it, rejecting support to Haddad, because apparently the "left" (a frigging university scholar friends to Mauricio Macri, for fuck's sake!!!) returning to power is so damn frightening. *NOTE: Apparently the future minister of-all-economic-things Guedes is just being investigated in a whooping $266.335.000 corruption scheme. Repeat with me: HELL YEAH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, SirBalon said: Taking into account so many Brazilians believe in Gérson's Law (which curiously has a football connotation considering what this forum is about), then having a politician that isn't involved in any type of corruption is a very big start. @El Profesor Thing is, Bolsonaro, unlike the big names of PT and PSDB, hasn´t been caught in any corruption scheme by Operação Lava-Jato, but his ex-wife sued him 10 years ago and according to her testimony, there are signs of gains that haven´t been declared. My guess is that he was smart enough to keep himself clean during the last decade because he always had the presidential chair in mind. But in terms of Bolsonaro establishing a dictatorship in Brazil, I´m with you. It seems unlikely. I mean, he definitely is authoritarian, but firstly, the system of checks and balances in the Constitution keep the Executive accountable. He will inherit a very fragmented Congress and in order to gain a majority he will have to move to the center. Actually, he is already doing it. The Judiciary branch also has total independence and Bolsonaro will not have any indications to the Supreme Court in the near-term. Also, the press, which is in its majority progressive, will oppose him during his entire term. Not to mention the fact that he is rejected by almost half of the voters. And most importantly, the Army so far always manifested the will to follow the Constitution. Bolsonaro was not part of the most influential circles in Brasília during his 30 years in the Congress and he has no idea how the game of power is played by the big names. His die-hard followers will probably be disappointed to know that the President is not an absolutist king. Brazil has amny faults, but our legislation is pretty much in pair with the Western countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted 1,776 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 https://www.ft.com/content/0e442654-cc18-11e8-b276-b9069bde0956 The prospect of rightwing congressman Jair Bolsonaro winning the presidency and implementing a liberalising economic programme has kindled hopes among many that decades of Brazilian statist policies are about to be reversed. Industry and finance supporting extreme right-wingers rather than engage with moderate socialistic policies? Wow, shocking. Not like we've ever seen that one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Good (and very gloomy) interview on Vladimir Safatle about Brazil. Yes, yes, the end is nigh. Safatle: “Quando você não acerta suas contas com a história, a história te assombra” Highlights: Quote Quando o impeachment estava claro como a luz do sol e a gente dizia ‘olha vai ter o impeachment, o governo vai cair’, vários setores da esquerda diziam: ‘não, nossa democracia é sólida, é resistente, o PSDB não vai entrar nessa aventura’, não vai ser a primeira vez que eles vão tomar seus desejos por realidade. Naives! Quote o Brasil vai viver os próximos meses e os próximos anos com essa espada de Dâmocles na cabeça, [o golpe] pode acontecer a qualquer momento. Ele [Bolsonaro] é alguém que, se for eleito e tiver a primeira dificuldade com o Congresso, a probabilidade de ele dar um autogolpe é enorme. The bonapartization of politics is coming. Quote Ele promete união nacional e promete acabar com os ativismos. Parece uma contradição, mas não é; ele vai criar uma união nacional baseada no cadáver de todos os ativistas, daqueles que não concordam com ele. Não é uma união nacional, é uma brutalidade social que a gente só tinha visto na ditadura. Where do I have seen this before? Quote Um governo militar teocrático feito pra implementar um programa ultra neoliberal. De pauperização extrema, de aumento dos conflitos sociais, de precarização e vulnerabilização absolutas, de desprezo com os setores mais vulneráveis da sociedade ou seja, uma bomba que não é nem uma bomba relógio, é uma bomba armada, que pode estourar literalmente a qualquer momento. A primeira revolta que tiver, você vai ter uma situação de brutalidade social que pode muito bem levar a uma situação de exceção. Let the bancada BBB reign over the misery of the people! If life goes bad... the televangelists come in handy. Quote O Brasil é a prova mais cabal de que quando você não acerta suas contas com a história, a história te assombra. Watch out, Spain. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Bolsonaro president. Lots of fireworks here in my small town. In São Paulo there is trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 Really depressing. There may be a silver lining to it if expatriates from Brazil around here ultimately become less "fachita" in average. Who knows, even compensating for venezuelans (although economy around there is not precisely expected to collapse overnight like in the country up north, but the opposite short-term). Nah... Depressing. 58 minutes ago, El Profesor said: Bolsonaro president. Lots of fireworks here in my small town. In São Paulo there is trouble. What's the ruckus? Is Doria expected to replay episodes of O Aprendiz as State Governor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kowabunga said: Really depressing. There may be a silver lining to it if expatriates from Brazil around here ultimately become less "fachita" in average. Who knows, even compensating for venezuelans (although economy around there is not precisely expected to collapse overnight like in the country up north, but the opposite short-term). Nah... Depressing. What's the ruckus? Is Doria expected to replay episodes of O Aprendiz as State Governor? Brazilians are flooding Portugal. The portuguese embassy closed the visa applications due to the high demand. No, it was a minor thing. Some protesters against Bolsonaro and pro Bolsonaro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, El Profesor said: Brazilians are flooding Portugal. The portuguese embassy closed the visa applications due to the high demand. No, it was a minor thing. Some protesters against Bolsonaro and pro Bolsonaro. Is it possible that the impending polarization at least bring a rationalization of the political landscape in terms of reduction of the number of political parties and realignment of them along stronger and clearer ideological lines and less of deals between bancadas having an in-for-profit meta-purpose? Well, that of course assuming Brazil having elections in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker 1,332 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Congrats Ricardinho, you've now got the best president on Latin America. @El Profesor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 21 minutes ago, Berserker said: Congrats Ricardinho, you've now got the best president on Latin America. @El Profesor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Bolsonaro has just enlisted Sérgio Moro (the magistrate at the helm of the Lava Jato process) as Minister-of-All-Things-Justice-some-Public-Order-and-Whatnot to be. At the very least, the aesthetic part fails to the external observer. Some may say Moro is taking a questionable choice. Others may say Moro is taking a vocational choice. I myself fail to see how this (the "star" judge who jailed all the political class joining the vindictive authoritarian leader and only beneficiary from the rulings of the former) is going to improve the narrative among the people of powers acting separately. In regards of the political matter of what Lava Jato actually was, it is going to feed the opposite narrative BIGLY. Anyway at this point, probably it's not like most of the people care about the separation of powers, with the development being a huge success (or a huge coup, pun intended) through the lenses of many bolsominions just wanting the powers to be a partisan and organic hammer to crush opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor 1,457 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Criminals invaded São Paulo´s airport and took a shipment of 750 kg of gold that was destined to Canada and Switzerland. The cargo is estimated to be worth 30 million dollars. This has to one of the biggest robberies in history, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,177 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 27 minutes ago, El Profesor said: Criminals invaded São Paulo´s airport and took a shipment of 750 kg of gold that was destined to Canada and Switzerland. The cargo is estimated to be worth 30 million dollars. This has to one of the biggest robberies in history, right? Holy shit, that’s fucking mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga 313 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 Lula Livre. Brazil ex-President Lula walks free from jail What's next for the Brazilian left? Despite this, moderation did not work out flawlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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