FIFA To Introduce Loan Deal Limits

[Stan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45643965

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Fifa plans to limit the number of players a club can loan out each season to prevent teams stockpiling talent.

Football's governing body had proposed a maximum of six loans per club.

But is still has to come to an agreement with the game's other stakeholders - including club, league and player representatives - as to what the limit should be.

The proposed new regulation could affect the likes of Chelsea, who have 40 players on loan this season.

Fifa will also re-introduce the regulation of agents by summer 2019.

President Gianni Infantino has previously said he was "concerned about the huge amount of money flowing out of the football industry", and hopes the plans will improve the transparency of the transfer system.

Since 2015, anyone can become a football agent, and Premier League clubs have paid them £211m in the past year, an increase of £37m on the previous year.

But Fifa's proposals to cap agents' fees have been dismissed for the time being.

Chelsea have previously said they "don't send players out [on loan] because we are trying to recover money, we send them because we want them to play and develop".

But the Fifa Football Stakeholders Committee has agreed the as yet undetermined limit should be introduced for "the purpose of youth development as opposed to commercial exploitation".

It is hoped a figure can be agreed on as part of plans to be phased in over the next two years.

Other regulations include creating a "clearing house" to process transfers with the aim of protecting football's integrity and avoiding fraudulent conduct.

And there will be a big increase in solidarity payments to lower-league clubs who have trained players but then lose them to clubs from other countries.

The principles of the reform package will be submitted to the Fifa Council at its next meeting on 26 October.

Infantino said: "We have brought everyone to the table and all key actors of the industry have understood that we need to take action, leading today to this reform proposal.

"This is a significant first step towards achieving greater transparency, the effective enforcement of rules that will deliver millions in solidarity payments to clubs, and developing a consensus on how to tackle the issue of agents, loans and other key aspects of the transfer system."

 

 

[Honey Honey]

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Fifa plans to limit the number of players a club can loan out each season to prevent teams stockpiling talent.

Football's governing body had proposed a maximum of six loans per club.

But is still has to come to an agreement with the game's other stakeholders - including club, league and player representatives - as to what the limit should be.

The proposed new regulation could affect the likes of Chelsea, who have 40 players on loan this season.

Fifa will also re-introduce the regulation of agents by summer 2019.

President Gianni Infantino has previously said he was "concerned about the huge amount of money flowing out of the football industry", and hopes the plans will improve the transparency of the transfer system.

Since 2015, anyone can become a football agent, and Premier League clubs have paid them £211m in the past year, an increase of £37m on the previous year.

But Fifa's proposals to cap agents' fees have been dismissed for the time being.

Chelsea have previously said they "don't send players out [on loan] because we are trying to recover money, we send them because we want them to play and develop".

But the Fifa Football Stakeholders Committee has agreed the as yet undetermined limit should be introduced for "the purpose of youth development as opposed to commercial exploitation".

It is hoped a figure can be agreed on as part of plans to be phased in over the next two years.

Other regulations include creating a "clearing house" to process transfers with the aim of protecting football's integrity and avoiding fraudulent conduct.

And there will be a big increase in solidarity payments to lower-league clubs who have trained players but then lose them to clubs from other countries.

The principles of the reform package will be submitted to the Fifa Council at its next meeting on 26 October.

Infantino said: "We have brought everyone to the table and all key actors of the industry have understood that we need to take action, leading today to this reform proposal.

"This is a significant first step towards achieving greater transparency, the effective enforcement of rules that will deliver millions in solidarity payments to clubs, and developing a consensus on how to tackle the issue of agents, loans and other key aspects of the transfer system."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45643965

 

The child trafficking cartel known as Chelsea must be worried

[Dr. Gonzo]

Why though?

[Honey Honey]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Why though?

 For "the purpose of youth development as opposed to commercial exploitation".

Whatever that means 

[Dr. Gonzo]

2 minutes ago, Harvsky said:

 For "the purpose of youth development as opposed to commercial exploitation".

Whatever that means 

But FIFA loves commercial exploitation. It doesn't make sense. Also if Chelsea can't loan out 40 kids to get them first team football, doesn't that stunt youth development? Because 40 kids aren't going to be getting first team football at Chelsea.

[Redcanuck]

Fifa plans to limit the number of players a club can loan out each season to prevent teams stockpiling talent.  Football's governing body had proposed a maximum of six loans per club.

FIFA has not come to an agreement with Clubs, league's or players yet, but this could have a serious impact on some clubs in the Premier.

 

[LFCMadLad]

This fucks up Chelsea big time. 

[Cicero]

5 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said:

This fucks up Chelsea big time. 

Depends how strict it will be. Wonder if we will sell them with a buy back clause of £1 

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

But FIFA loves commercial exploitation. It doesn't make sense. Also if Chelsea can't loan out 40 kids to get them first team football, doesn't that stunt youth development? Because 40 kids aren't going to be getting first team football at Chelsea.

This exactly. The majority of our loans are for developing our academy players. This whole loan limit proposal just looks contradictory. 

 

[6666]

Pretty poorly thought out proposal to be honest. Will be interesting to see how Chelsea & Juventus operate if this dumb rule comes into play.

[Smiley Culture]

If this was a move by UEFA, the cynic in me would suggest that it's a ploy to get big clubs reserve/'B' Teams into their respective country's footballing pyramids.

 

[Bluewolf]

3 hours ago, Stan said:

President Gianni Infantino has previously said he was "concerned about the huge amount of money flowing out of the football industry", and hopes the plans will improve the transparency of the transfer system.

Get everyone at FIFA to turn out their fucking pockets before they go home at night then... that will soon sort the problem out

 

3 hours ago, Harvsky said:

The child trafficking cartel known as Chelsea must be worried

[The Palace Fan]

10 hours ago, Cicero said:

This exactly. The majority of our loans are for developing our academy players. This whole loan limit proposal just looks contradictory. 

 

I cant remember the quote word for word, but near the end of the transfer window you definitely said something along the lines of that if these loan deals were going to help you become financially competitive you're all for it.

As your the chart you posted, even if a player has been bought through the ranks there comes a time when the club have to accept that they're doing more damage for the player than good. So many of those players listed there have absolutely zero chance of ever making the Chelsea first team, and they should be offered the opportunity to go somewhere more stable where there's continuity to develop.

[The Palace Fan]

10 hours ago, 6666 said:

Pretty poorly thought out proposal to be honest. Will be interesting to see how Chelsea & Juventus operate if this dumb rule comes into play.

Given the fees clubs are now charging to loan these players out to football league clubs I don't believe it's dumb at all. Clubs in the football league often rely on sell on value of their players to operate well, and the way football has been going it's becoming increasingly difficult to have your own assets.

In the last ten years football has shifted from having reserve players at big clubs under the age of 21 on average to under the age of 24. This could potentially bring the average age down again which is not necessarily a bad thing. 

[True Blue]

#whyfuckusinthearse

Seriously tough 40 players on loan is too much, i'd say if we cut it to 20 it is a fair number.

[Mel81x+]

Strange rule which will once again change the contract landscape that clubs now sell players for versus send them out on loan. So effectively its a loan through sale versus a loan as it stands now. I do get why its being done and maybe it levels the playing field a bit but realistically it won't. Its going to hamper youth development because the hoarding clubs will just hoard a lot more now. Weird decision by UEFA but its still second this one.

"But Fifa's proposals to cap agents' fees have been dismissed for the time being."

I don't get why players are being punished here when these fucking snakes are being let free. 

[The Palace Fan]

11 minutes ago, Mel81x said:

Strange rule which will once again change the contract landscape that clubs now sell players for versus send them out on loan. So effectively its a loan through sale versus a loan as it stands now. I do get why its being done and maybe it levels the playing field a bit but realistically it won't. Its going to hamper youth development because the hoarding clubs will just hoard a lot more now. Weird decision by UEFA but its still second this one.

"But Fifa's proposals to cap agents' fees have been dismissed for the time being."

I don't get why players are being punished here when these fucking snakes are being let free. 

I didn't see that bit. I'd argue this has to come in first.

A lot of the talk around the previous two deadline days is that EFL clubs have began to prefer loaning players from another Championship where the player has a tendency to transfer frequently or it's unlikely there sell on value will increase dramatically because it significantly reduced the fees that agents, representatives, lawyers etc take from each transfer (along with the loyalty bonus). 

If you want to stop money going out the game, then this is the first thing that needs to change. If Paul Pogba wants Raiola and everybody that claims to have some form of representation in him from around the world to get paid after the way he's behaved at United when his next transfer happens then he should cough up the fee from his 'loyalty' bonus.

[Marc]

Great move. Only someone that supports a ‘big’ club would think this is a bad idea. The ‘big’ clubs are clearly stock piling players.

[SirBalon]

13 hours ago, Smiley Culture said:

If this was a move by UEFA, the cynic in me would suggest that it's a ploy to get big clubs reserve/'B' Teams into their respective country's footballing pyramids.

 

This is what I think and there's the benefit of 'B' teams.

Anyway...whatever is done, it should be done so as the big clubs don't just buy all the young talent out there so as to speculate with prices.

[6666]

6 hours ago, The Palace Fan said:

Given the fees clubs are now charging to loan these players out to football league clubs I don't believe it's dumb at all. Clubs in the football league often rely on sell on value of their players to operate well, and the way football has been going it's becoming increasingly difficult to have your own assets.

In the last ten years football has shifted from having reserve players at big clubs under the age of 21 on average to under the age of 24. This could potentially bring the average age down again which is not necessarily a bad thing. 

In terms of forcing clubs that would've brought players in loan having to now concentrate on assets they own, it might work. In terms of the actual point of the rule which is to stop teams stockpiling players, it really won't work. It'll just mean there'll be players at clubs with nothing to do. Youngsters have their development slowed down and out of favour first teamers, that couldn't be sold, just train.

[Cicero]

7 hours ago, The Palace Fan said:

I cant remember the quote word for word, but near the end of the transfer window you definitely said something along the lines of that if these loan deals were going to help you become financially competitive you're all for it.

As your the chart you posted, even if a player has been bought through the ranks there comes a time when the club have to accept that they're doing more damage for the player than good. So many of those players listed there have absolutely zero chance of ever making the Chelsea first team, and they should be offered the opportunity to go somewhere more stable where there's continuity to develop.

Despite what our club states, along with player development, our loan/academy system is being utilised to help us become self sufficient.

 The step from youth to competitive football alone is massive, never mind the step from youth to a club competing on all fronts. Obviously being at a club that will play you every week will be more beneficial than staying here and getting 'Drinkwater' minutes, or after this deal is issued, continuing to play for our development squads. As you said, we could just sell them, but that would literally defeat the purpose of this whole system the club have worked hard to create. 

I am always adamant in saying that, if they are good enough they will play, as Christensen has proved. Loan spells at Gladbach has helped him develop into the player he is, and I fully expect him to replace Luiz inevitably. Tammy, Baker, Mount, Sterling, Scott, DaSilva, etc, are all playing first team football regularly. If they do not have a future with us, it's because they aren't good enough. You don't just see it with us though, even clubs like Barca who are known for bringing youth through, have opted to have them develop at other clubs vs bringing them in and nurturing them into the first team. This is what modern football has brought, the demand for instant success.  

[Harry]

This is a good move. Impose a sensible limit. Let the clubs who ate prepared to play the players profit for them...

[Spike]

It will definitely make it more difficult for teams with weak finances to bolster their squad with loans. Once again I din't think FIFA can see past their nose.

[SirBalon]

11 minutes ago, Spike said:

It will definitely make it more difficult for teams with weak finances to bolster their squad with loans. Once again I din't think FIFA can see past their nose.

We can also read it in the terms of weaker teams not losing their talented youth and being able to build something in peace. They wouldn’t have to breed someone else’s speculation. 

[Spike]

1 hour ago, SirBalon said:

We can also read it in the terms of weaker teams not losing their talented youth and being able to build something in peace. They wouldn’t have to breed someone else’s speculation. 

I don't think it will stop predation at all. It will just limit loans. I can garuantee you that this won't even be a speed bump for the like of Chelsea and Juventus stockpiling players. If anything they will target them even younger as to play them in youth squads. Or it will further corrupt relations between clubs, like Chelsea and Vitesse, or the Coty conglomerate. 

This is just a façade regulation that will complicate and corrupt the sport further. It will probably be a boon to the City and Red Bull conglomerates most of all, they already circumvent a lot of transfer rules by internally moving players around. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

A lot of Italian clubs will suffer from a limit on loans too, I imagine.