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Paul Pogba - Man Utd Future In Doubt

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Paul Pogba is wanted by Juventus and might try to buy him back for less than he was sold for, according to Tuttosport.

The Italian club have €80m they're willing to spend and are weighing up Pogba or Real Madrid's Isco.

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They can have him with his multi-colored hair and earrings for all I care, you would think that a player of his ability that has fallen out with his manager would play his socks off and show his ability instead of sulking like a 10-year schoolkid that's just lost his packet of crisps.  

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The Mirror states Manchester United will listen to offers for Paul Pogba in January, having become too exasperated with the World Cup winner to keep him at Old Trafford.

The newspaper reports there are no firm offers on the table for the Frenchman at present.

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Any new manager of Man Utd would love to have Pogba in their side and if Mourinho isn't sticking around then I don't think they should get rid of him. Why Man Utd would want Mourinho to stick around would be strange as well. Makes bad situations worse by burying his own players.

Mourinho's never had a proper 4th season at a club to show he can bounce back from his 3rd season mental breakdown so if he does stay, at least it'll be interesting to see how that goes.

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My perception is that the Pogba (on how he feels about life at Man Utd) situation has gone beyond Mourinho being the coach.  Psychological situations tend to aggravate themselves more as they fester and aren't seen to with the party suffering them suddenly creating a bigger bubble that encases all the problem bubbles.  There comes a point when this sort of thing occurs that one needs a fresh start so as to totally leave the seeming problem behind.  Obviously sometimes this can be seen as not facing upto your battles and burying them in the sand instead of defeating them.  But in a case such as work (which this is what we're fundamentally talking about), and work which relies heavily on confidence which is also a mental state, then the recommendations are that a fresh start is the best solution for all parties.

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Can Juventus afford him?, the numbers behind the Ronaldo deal are enough to be skeptical of that possiblity and if Barcelona also can't and if City don't want him, it can only really be PSG.

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11 January at 09:15

Juventus are keen to re-sign their former midfield star Paul Pogba next summer. The Frenchman is still in touch with many former team-mates and despite the sacking of José Mourinho, the Old Lady hopes that during the next transfer campaign, there could be a chance to take the Red Devil back to Italy.

According to Tuttosport, Manchester United are not standing against Pogba’s possible return to Juventus. The Premier League giants, in fact, could discuss the possible sale of their midfielder if Juventus allow Douglas Costa to travel the opposite direction.
The Turin-based paper claims Manchester United have offered Juventus to swap the two players at the end of the season.

Pogba’s impact on the Red Devils’ balance sheet is around € 50 million but Ed Woodward is looking for an € 80 million sale, at least. With Douglas Costa included in the deal, Juventus could lower Pogba’s price-tag and complete the player’s return to Turin at the end of the season.
 

https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/man-united-offer-juventus-surprising-swap-deal-for-pogba-91910?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=web push&utm_campaign=web push calciomercato english

 

 

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I can't see Pogba going anywhere, let him play further up the pitch and give him a free hand and he's worth every penny we paid for him.

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Gonna have to do a lot more than score and assist against bottom half clubs. 

Lets see what he does Sunday 

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He won't leave while his fanboy Ole is in charge (which probably won't be long term). When he leaves he'll decide to play shit again and upset all the cringeworthy cunts who have no pride in themselves or in the club

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3 minutes ago, José said:

Did he do enough Sunday ? 

Where was he August through Jan?

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4 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Where was he August through Jan?

On Twitter.

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4 hours ago, Cicero said:

Where was he August through Jan?

Getting designs cut into his hair and going to dance classes.

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And yet, take away penalties he has as many goals as Kante. 

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1 minute ago, José said:

PKs are not a guarentee goal, messi is and cueva are living proof. What about the assist tally? 

Hazard leads the league with assists. 

Eriksen leads the league with assists for centre mids. 

:what:

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22 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Hazard leads the league with assists. 

Eriksen leads the league with assists for centre mids. 

:what:

Love how he includes the 2 players he likes the least.

Incredible the heights he goes to just to have a pop.

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Looking on the Premier League site, Pogba comes in at a lowly 63rd for most tackles (23) - the highest other midfielders being Gueye (83), Ndidi (72), Moutinho (71), Billing (70), Diame (63), Milivojevic (58), Felipe Anderson (53) (!!), and many more. You'd think being a 'complete midfielder' would mean you make more than 23 tackles 5 months in to the season. Kante, albeit low by his standards, is on 38.

Pogba also comes in at a lofty 1st for most dispossessed player in the Premier League - a total of 54 times so far. You'd think being a 'complete midfielder' would mean you'd be able to hold on to the ball a bit more comfortably and not have such a high amount of successful tackles being made on you. The next highest is 44, for comparison. Kante, also for comparison, has only been dispossessed 36 times.

Pogba places in at joint 5th for highest amount of fouls by a midfielder, committing 32. Others above him are Milivojevic, Ritchie, McArthur, Gueye, Gomes, Xhaka. You'd think being a 'complete midfielder' you may have a bit more discipline about you and perhaps not commit so many fouls, many of which could be due to mistimed tackles. 

Just a few 'truth bombs' for you mate.

Now, not only does that show that you can use any kind of stats to suit your own argument (like you do with Pogba's goals (even though he's not the highest-scoring)), but it does also go to show he's still not a 'complete midfielder' as you love to label him. Just stating facts. Not being able to keep possession, doesn't make that many tackles for a central midfielder, comparatively commits a lot of fouls. Not really the hallmarks you'd associate with a complete midfielder. 

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Pogba is easily up there with the best midfielders of the league and world. He's been unleashed since the cancer left and is proving it was almost entirely down to Mourinho that he wasn't showing his best. Stats do not tell it all, his domineering carrying of the ball and intelligent passing has been at the centre of Manchester United's revival. Showing some table trying to compare with a clown like Xhaka is ridiculous, there is a real desire for people to bring Pogba down, at first I thought it was just moronic mourinho lovers but perhaps there is something more sinister at work.

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Just now, José said:

Now that's some real truth bombs Stanley. 

That Mourinho was a cancer for United?

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3 minutes ago, José said:

Now that's some real truth bombs Stanley. 

Maybe they both are?

You always seem to think that because someone doesn't agree he's the 'complete midfielder' that that automatically means they think he's shit. Totally not the case. He's not shit, obviously not. He's just not up to the standard you elevate him to. 

I agree with TAD that he's been 'unleashed' since Mourinho left but just as much as you can use stats to peddle him to be some kind of elite footballer, I/we should be allowed to use other stats to bring him down a peg or two. It really isn't rocket science.

As for TAD saying it's sinister, all I can do is laugh xD. Yes stats don't tell it all but why do you ( @José) only rely on goals/assists earlier in this thread? Nothing sinister about not wanting to paint him as some world-class footballer just yet. He's been at United for 2 and half years and it's only now he's showing some real consistency and being at the heart and influence of some very good attacking football from United. He still has some way to go to being one of the best midfielders or a 'complete' midfielder, though. 

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I find the whole thing funny given this is an argument Teso can't win. 

Rimming Mourinho for months and now that he's gone, Pogba is performing more consistently. He can't bring himself to say that it was in fact Mourinho that held him back xD

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On 28/01/2019 at 17:10, The Artful Dodger said:

Pogba is easily up there with the best midfielders of the league and world. He's been unleashed since the cancer left and is proving it was almost entirely down to Mourinho that he wasn't showing his best. Stats do not tell it all, his domineering carrying of the ball and intelligent passing has been at the centre of Manchester United's revival. Showing some table trying to compare with a clown like Xhaka is ridiculous, there is a real desire for people to bring Pogba down, at first I thought it was just moronic mourinho lovers but perhaps there is something more sinister at work.

Something sinister like Pogba being such a massive tool with his self branding, Instagram, dabbing, obsession with celebrity culture, his downing tools and using his agent to help stir things up between him and the manager to the detriment of the football club that pays him? 

One of the most talented players in the world yes, but it takes more than 6-8 good performances in a post-Mourinho honeymoon period to change the opinions of his doubters and see him crowned one of the best midfielders in the world. You can give me the I told you so speech next time a United manager hits a rough patch after their own honeymoon period and Pogba is there as the leader he should be and picks the team up by the scruff of the neck like a Roy Keane or Steven Gerrard would do, but I'm not holding my breath.

There's a reason that when you speak to most realistic United fans and not the weird Twitter, Instagram and YouTube highlight reel fanboys that most of them don't actually like Pogba very much at all and are reluctant to give him too much credit for his recent performances.

Mourinho caused a lot of problems at United but Pogba was a cringeworthy, self-obsessed bellend long before they worked together.

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10 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Something sinister like Pogba being such a massive tool with his self branding, Instagram, dabbing, obsession with celebrity culture, his downing tools and using his agent to help stir things up between him and the manager to the detriment of the football club that pays him? 

 

Kinda felt like he was implying people criticise Pogba because he's black. 

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18 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Something sinister like Pogba being such a massive tool with his self branding, Instagram, dabbing, obsession with celebrity culture, his downing tools and using his agent to help stir things up between him and the manager to the detriment of the football club that pays him? 

One of the most talented players in the world yes, but it takes more than 6-8 good performances in a post-Mourinho honeymoon period to change the opinions of his doubters and see him crowned one of the best midfielders in the world. You can give me the I told you so speech next time a United manager hits a rough patch after their own honeymoon period and Pogba is there as the leader he should be and picks the team up by the scruff of the neck like a Roy Keane or Steven Gerrard would do, but I'm not holding my breath.

There's a reason that when you speak to most realistic United fans and not the weird Twitter, Instagram and YouTube highlight reel fanboys that most of them don't actually like Pogba very much at all and are reluctant to give him too much credit for his recent performances.

Mourinho caused a lot of problems at United but Pogba was a cringeworthy, self-obsessed bellend long before they worked together.

Downing tools? When did Pogba ever refuse to play or train? Nearly every modern footballer is on instagram, I'm not sure what riles you so much about Pogba being on it, or the dabbing, what is it that irritates you so much about a young man fooling around? I don't get it. I loathe the celebrity, narcissistic, market orientated culture as much as anyone but I don't see Pogba as being especially bad or worse than anyone else. 

We only ever saw Pogba as a Manchester United player under Mourinho, a man who destroyed many players at the club. You say that Pogba was a 'self-obsessed bellend' long before he worked with Mourinho, which constitutes his whole time at Manchester United,  so what was so repellent about Pogba before then? It just seems a completely irrational judgement. 

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15 minutes ago, Cicero said:

It honestly felt like he was implying people criticise Pogba because he's black. xD

Not any individual but the way talented, black mean are portrayed is strikingly opposed to their white counterparts.

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