Fairy In Boots 607 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 21 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Hoping to still remain is pointless. Instead we should look for someone who can realistically give us a good deal from the 3 real options we have available in a post-Brexit world. And it will take some bold leadership and a whole new fresh set of faces before I ever vote Lib Dem again. I'm assuming immigration was a big part of why you voted for Brexit. How do you feel Tories have done since 2010 re: immigration and keeping Britain safe? Immigration wasn't really, my immigration argument is it's too many to fast from to different cultures. European migration is preferable as easier to assimilate, although the lack of number control was a mess. I voted Brexit on democratic grounds and with a long term vision of the EU I didn't like. In the Engineering & Industrial sector I saw an uneven playing field and British Business suffering from EU legislation while it favoured the continentals. I've just sized up a project with a customer to retool for manufacturing of number plates, as won't need EU on them and a GB 🇬🇧. I'm optimistic about manufacturing again now as long as Corbyn doesn't get in. 25 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said: That's not the actual Labour proposed figures. I don't think they thought it through in that much detail. Can't see it being put through without significant amendments. Think the Tories have costed it as a good dig, it certainly struck a cord with people I know on Facebook. In fairness though I did see a lot of Corbyn fans posting a fake picture of Jimmy Saville endorsing the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,204 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 The choices are horrific, I'm just glad after flying back from Australia suddenly for a family emergency that I forgot to register to vote otherwise I'd actually have to vote for a party that wants to cut the NHS, Police, does nothing for mental health, to voting for a party that essentially hates itself and doesn't know who it wants to lead, to voting for a party that squandered its one great hope of becoming a major political player by completely going against the one promise that got them into a hung parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toony 95 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Abbott was an absolute tit and the way she waffled on on TV will have definitely had an impact on people's votes. Any news on what illness she may have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Abbott didn't vote to trigger article 50 because of a "migrane", but was caught in the pub at the time of the vote There is a rumour of a spat between Abbott and McDonnell over her TV appearances, and Corbyn sided with McDonnell allegedly. The Tories tend to keep their toxic people well away from the camera's during election. The problem Labour have or had was that no one wanted to be on TV for Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toony 95 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said: Abbott didn't vote to trigger article 50 because of a "migrane", but was caught in the pub at the time of the vote There is a rumour of a spat between Abbott and McDonnell over her TV appearances, and Corbyn sided with McDonnell allegedly. The Tories tend to keep their toxic people well away from the camera's during election. The problem Labour have or had was that no one wanted to be on TV for Corbyn. For god sake You do have to laugh at her though, even though it's completely embarrassing and damaging to the Labour campaign - she is a bottler on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Beneathus 288 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Been adamant that I wasn't going to vote or spoil my ballot paper. However last minute I have decided I will be voting Labour. Hope there's many others having the same kind of feelings as me. Don't agree with everything they stand for one bit but anyone but them Tory cunts at the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Tories will win today, sadly but I do think Corbyn's campaign has stirred up some genuine feeling and desire for change. A genuinely social democratic labour is possible, whether Corbyn leads Labour into the next election is up for debate, but there needs to be time to consider it. Leaders immediately resigning when they lose helps nobody, just look at Cameron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman 5,938 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, Cannabis said: Corbyn winning gives me £55 so I'm happy to see him in office. I wouldn't be surprised either, social media is exploding with pro-Labour voters. Indeed. I've always though of voting as quite a private thing personally. However, the amount of annoying cunts on my facebook has quadrupled in the past month from all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt 1,282 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, Cannabis said: Corbyn winning gives me £55 so I'm happy to see him in office. I wouldn't be surprised either, social media is exploding with pro-Labour voters. Is that the case of the vocal minority though? I agree with Deadlinesman as well. Facebook has been unbearable in the last couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 The Tory voters on channel 4 news last night said they agree with Corbyn's principles but they don't think his ideas will deliver them in practice. I've heard similar from swing voters I know. It's people old enough to remember socialist trade unions bringing the country to a grinding halt that are staying away from Corbyn. The young don't have that perception or experience so think that anyone not voting Corbyn must be an evil cunt. I haven't decided what to do yet. My constituency is 16000 Tory majority. I'll either spoil ballot or vote Labour to try and provide some competition here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt 1,282 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I can't vote Labour for my constituency because the candidate is someone who basically gave the majority the middle finger over Brexit (the majority wanted to leave but he voted remain in Parliament on the basis that the result was '50/50') and when people provided him official figures showing there was a bigger majority, he ignored them. The opportunistic sod also tried to knife Corbyn in the back by contending his leadership (and getting hammered in the process). I think that's enough clues as to who it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: I can't vote Labour for my constituency because the candidate is someone who basically gave the majority the middle finger over Brexit (the majority wanted to leave but he voted remain in Parliament on the basis that the result was '50/50') and when people provided him official figures showing there was a bigger majority, he ignored them. The opportunistic sod also tried to knife Corbyn in the back by contending his leadership (and getting hammered in the process). I think that's enough clues as to who it is. unlucky Are you sure you don't want to negotiate with ISIS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke 722 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I'm going to spoil or vote Labour, need to make up my mind soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Looks like I'm about to be a traitor to my Greens for the first time in a long time. Labour it is for so many reasons... Not perfect, because no political party ever is and this Labour has many holes in many things. But May has been terrible and I don't trust her at all... Never has a party been so transparent in lies and false propaganda, never before has it been so visible that a party has no idea how to govern and are lost. It's actually a very bad thing that one of our major parties in the times we are living in so many factors seems to have no idea what to do and is just making it up as they go along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Imagine if Labour do get it, in a perverse way it will be a good thing. When it all turns to shit hopefully the vast swathes who look upon the mess that was the 70's with some sort of nostalgic whitewashing fully indoctrinated into them from generation after generation, will realise. They're just peddling some class war bullshit, 5 - 10 years time it will collapse as it's fundamentally flawed and you'll get a huge Tory landslide and another response like Thatcher and the circle continues. I'll be laughing from one of the former colonies by this point. Talking of Facebook I was told by one Corbyn loving gimp today "the Tories are just nasty sexist homophobes, labour stand for what's right" Female leaders Tories 2 - Labour 0 Legalise Gay Marriage Tories 1- Labour 0 despite having 13 years to do so Antisemetic systemic problems Labour 1 - Tories 0 😂😂😂 god, you can see the long march through the institutions has indoctrinated you lot. Even Harvz social conditioning is kicking in, Jesus wept how tragic a state of affairs. I fully expect semi-violent protests in the wake of the forecast Tory victory. Mainly stirred up by Corbyn's core of fascist supporters who utilise violence to suppress disagreement with him (Laura Kuenessburg having the nerve to ask him a question and the resulting backlash ring a bell?) and brinkmanship to get their way. Of course this will be a completely rational reaction to the public refusing to side with the peaceful open part of society and choosing the politics of hate, oh the irony. Voted for May this morning, I was tempted to not vote but too many jumping on the Corbyn bandwagon so doing my bit to stop us chucking our future down the shitter. I want serious change though if I vote Tory again, might look at what fringe parties spring out of this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Project fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Done and dusted! Can't do anymore than that and I only hope there is enough of a movement with all of the younger people that weren't of age to vote in the last democratic calls... Maybe they can be enough to sort this mess up that us older ones have gotten the country into by mistake (although not totally our fault and the political parties have a lot of 'mea culpa' on their shoulders). They are the future and hopefully their vote can make a statement of division even if not enough for a victory that is more right than wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,204 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Someone just decided at work who he was going to vote for by doing a "what political party are you" quiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 #DogsAtPollingStations is the best thing about elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said: Project fear Not really fear is it, you've acknowledged there's better economic policies that are socialist in nature than MacDonalds. You also know that the Marxist crowd that infest Labour aren't intelligent well reasoned social democrats and are mostly just classist idiots filled with hate that romanticise the 70's and despise the "Bourgeois" or yuppies often out of petty jealousy who in quite a few cases with Labour, blame tends to be the attributed to the JEWS. I've worked with loads of them coming from Labour heartland, if you do something well at work you'r a "fucking suck up" types, because I recognize that capitalism is a system in which if you offer more, you can command more for what you offer, I earn twice what they do now. They still blame the system and not themselves, socialism going to solve that problem? is it fuck. I'm actually for some socialist policies such as the railways, i'd nationalize them. But as with Norway and Denmark, socialist policy has to be funded off the back of a strong effective private sector. Social democracy and socialism are two very different things, it's a shame the Liberal democrats are a gang of clowns. #forthemanynotforthejew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 21 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: Not really fear is it, you've acknowledged there's better economic policies that are socialist in nature than MacDonalds. You also know that the Marxist crowd that infest Labour aren't intelligent well reasoned social democrats and are mostly just classist idiots filled with hate that romanticise the 70's and despise the "Bourgeois" or yuppies often out of petty jealousy who in quite a few cases with Labour, blame tends to be the attributed to the JEWS. I've worked with loads of them coming from Labour heartland, if you do something well at work you'r a "fucking suck up" types, because I recognize that capitalism is a system in which if you offer more, you can command more for what you offer, I earn twice what they do now. They still blame the system and not themselves, socialism going to solve that problem? is it fuck. I'm actually for some socialist policies such as the railways, i'd nationalize them. But as with Norway and Denmark, socialist policy has to be funded off the back of a strong effective private sector. Social democracy and socialism are two very different things, it's a shame the Liberal democrats are a gang of clowns. #forthemanynotforthejew My vote has no baring on whether Labour win or not. This is one of the most Tory seats in the country. Whoever I choose in this election I would have to hold my nose whilst doing so and that is what many feel. But given that the majority of the Labour party oppose Corbyn and are Blairite, that he has basically dropped and u-turned on dozens of his own principles and that he cant win a majority but would rely on other parties to allow him to continue, I do not see it being a policy shit show. If anything it will be closer to the "coalition of chaos" the conservatives go on about. Some of this Labour manifesto isn't even going to get past the Labour party nevermind McDonnell getting his budget approved by the Liberal democrats. Anyway, rumour coming our of the Labour party is that the working class haven't been turning out so far today. The rout could be back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman 5,938 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 50 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said: #DogsAtPollingStations is the best thing about elections Not very nice about the ladies of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass 62 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I was considering voting for the Lib Dems as I still feel that they were totally shafted at the last election, as if they were the only party to ever go back on an election pledge. In my seat they sunk from 2nd place to 5th in 2015, behind even the Green Party, and I wanted to help them make a revival in this constituency. I definitely think thank the Con-Lab coalition government was a far better scenario than a majority Tory government. And it's a safe Labour seat where they have a majority of 17,000 anyway. But at the last minute in the polling station I changed my mind and voted for Labour. If the Tories do win another majority, which I don't want to happen but which I think will unfortunately be the final outcome, I'm assuming that they will press ahead with adjusting the electoral boundaries and reducing the number of seats from 650 to 600? That will further increase their advantage. I think that generally speaking safe Labour seats have smaller populations than safe Tory ones. That was why Tony Blair ended the 2005 election with healthy majority over 60 seats (despite losing plenty due to Iraq and tuition fees) with such a relatively small share of the votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/john-mcdonnells-school-days/ so funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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