Inverted 1,776 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Also I'm now quite sure that Varane is a pace merchant. His game hasn't seemed to change at all since I first saw him become a regular with Madrid. Hes very effective because he can cover most of his mistakes in time but I just can't look at him and think he's really a world class defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 This result has really made me appreciate Zidane, Ramos and Ronaldo more, 3 players I criticized. Ronaldo for not being the same player and being more limited these days, Zidane for not being a tactical genius, and Ramos for being an average defender. Say what you want about all of them but they are so influential for their teams. Ronaldo is a goalscorer these days and a damn effective one. Without him, Real Madrid lost 50 goals. Maybe he didn't have a free role in the Zidane era like he did prior but his goals and big game moments were what kept Real Madrid contending for honours. Zidane is an average tactician, but he's obviously clear and respected within his team. The players understood him and he had an effective way to use an aging Ronaldo. You can't fault him for that. As for Ramos, he's a bang average defender but he's such a shithouse and a team leader that he works and just those 2 things make him a phenomal footballers. It's a weird one because I'm not sure what he offers from a technical perspective, at least not for a team like Madrid. His intelligence really makes him a key part of this game. He doesn't care about anyone other than his team. Now, I stand by on my previous critiques on all of them, but I have at least seen them in more of an influential light. It makes you really think how good they can be when played in a certain role and when told what not to do. This was Zidane's biggest strength I think. Again, you shouldn't expect breath taking football from him but he has a formula and is great at reading a players strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bluewolf 7,161 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Just can't help thinking about poor Ramos, the innocent victim in all of this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,644 Posted March 6, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted March 6, 2019 On 05/03/2019 at 22:40, Panna King said: Seems like its been a great day for the Ajax fans Imagine how much literally any English club would get absolutely pasted for acting "small time" for this after winning a last 16 tie against Real Madrid or Barcelona. Not saying Ajax are small time because of this but it's weird how dramatically different the perception is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Imagine how much literally any English club would get absolutely pasted for acting "small time" for this after winning a last 16 tie against Real Madrid or Barcelona. Not saying Ajax are small time because of this but it's weird how dramatically different the perception is. That is just the media, alot of people in The Netherlands knew Ajax had a great chance to win this tie. Don’t forget Real have won this cup 3 times in a row and it was thier biggest defeat ever at home in the Champions League. Also Ajax dont get a chance to show how good they due to the league they are in and how football has changed since they were winning European titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,365 Posted March 7, 2019 Author Administrator Share Posted March 7, 2019 7 hours ago, RandoEFC said: Imagine how much literally any English club would get absolutely pasted for acting "small time" for this after winning a last 16 tie against Real Madrid or Barcelona. Not saying Ajax are small time because of this but it's weird how dramatically different the perception is. Any English club's fans don't get that far to making scenes like that cos they're pounced on by the police and beaten up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoRoss 799 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 7 hours ago, RandoEFC said: Imagine how much literally any English club would get absolutely pasted for acting "small time" for this after winning a last 16 tie against Real Madrid or Barcelona. Not saying Ajax are small time because of this but it's weird how dramatically different the perception is. Forgive me, but wasn't this video from the day of the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 hours ago, ScoRoss said: Forgive me, but wasn't this video from the day of the game? Yeah was in the day in Madrid in the city centre before the match, Ajax always have this support no matter who they play in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,265 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 You'd think this result would of been enough to have @SirBalon back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,644 Posted March 7, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted March 7, 2019 9 hours ago, ScoRoss said: Forgive me, but wasn't this video from the day of the game? If so then I've clearly misinterpreted. Thought those were the celebrations the next day or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris 2,606 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 On 06/03/2019 at 10:32, Blue said: This result has really made me appreciate Zidane, Ramos and Ronaldo more, 3 players I criticized. Ronaldo for not being the same player and being more limited these days, Zidane for not being a tactical genius, and Ramos for being an average defender. Say what you want about all of them but they are so influential for their teams. Ronaldo is a goalscorer these days and a damn effective one. Without him, Real Madrid lost 50 goals. Maybe he didn't have a free role in the Zidane era like he did prior but his goals and big game moments were what kept Real Madrid contending for honours. Zidane is an average tactician, but he's obviously clear and respected within his team. The players understood him and he had an effective way to use an aging Ronaldo. You can't fault him for that. As for Ramos, he's a bang average defender but he's such a shithouse and a team leader that he works and just those 2 things make him a phenomal footballers. It's a weird one because I'm not sure what he offers from a technical perspective, at least not for a team like Madrid. His intelligence really makes him a key part of this game. He doesn't care about anyone other than his team. Now, I stand by on my previous critiques on all of them, but I have at least seen them in more of an influential light. It makes you really think how good they can be when played in a certain role and when told what not to do. This was Zidane's biggest strength I think. Again, you shouldn't expect breath taking football from him but he has a formula and is great at reading a players strengths. It's not just C.Ronaldo's goals but his presence alone as he gives teams a lot more to think about when he's on the pitch. Even if he's having a shit game, whenever he gets the ball he makes you put your hands over your face, whereas they don't have a weapon like that now. Vinicius Junior will soon be one of those players(obviously not Cristiano level, but a top player) from what I've seen of him as he's a real talent, but he's not there yet. If you sell a player like C.Ronaldo, then you have to bring in a replacement. As you said, they are now lacking 50 goals and that is a big difference as some teams don't even score that amount. Anyway, this is brilliant, not just for Ajax themselves, but football as a whole as they are a legendary club and one of the most prestigious of alltime. To see them pulling off a big result like this is great for the game and hopefully they can continue to grow again. Unfortunately that probably won't be the case as all the biggest clubs from England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France will be watching them like hawks right now. De Jong is already leaving at the end of the year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 hours ago, RandoEFC said: If so then I've clearly misinterpreted. Thought those were the celebrations the next day or something. No was in the day before the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 hours ago, The Rebel CRS said: It's not just C.Ronaldo's goals but his presence alone as he gives teams a lot more to think about when he's on the pitch. Even if he's having a shit game, whenever he gets the ball he makes you put your hands over your face, whereas they don't have a weapon like that now. Vinicius Junior will soon be one of those players(obviously not Cristiano level, but a top player) from what I've seen of him as he's a real talent, but he's not there yet. If you sell a player like C.Ronaldo, then you have to bring in a replacement. As you said, they are now lacking 50 goals and that is a big difference as some teams don't even score that amount. Anyway, this is brilliant, not just for Ajax themselves, but football as a whole as they are a legendary club and one of the most prestigious of alltime. To see them pulling off a big result like this is great for the game and hopefully they can continue to grow again. Unfortunately that probably won't be the case as all the biggest clubs from England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France will be watching them like hawks right now. De Jong is already leaving at the end of the year too. Neres and De Ligt are certain to leave as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,365 Posted March 7, 2019 Author Administrator Share Posted March 7, 2019 De Ligt following De Jong to Barca would be lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, Stan said: De Ligt following De Jong to Barca would be lovely. De Ligt will go to Italy because of his agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Can Italy afford him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Ajax beating the Barcelona, the club that stole their identity and sugared it with a large does self-righteousness, would be lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Harry said: Can Italy afford him? Juventus will probably sign him due to their connections with his agent Mino Raiola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said: Ajax beating the Barcelona, the club that stole their identity and sugared it with a large does self-righteousness, would be lovely. Yeah very true, I read a lot of the foreign news about Ajax's win over Real and they described Ajax beating Real Madrid playing Barcelona style football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Ajax is facing a fourth UEFA punishment this season for fan misconduct at Champions League games. UEFA says Ajax has been charged with fans throwing objects and “acts of damage” at Real Madrid’s Santiago Bernabeu Stadium in a 4-1 victory last week. UEFA’s disciplinary panel will judge the case on March 28, ahead of the quarterfinals. Ajax has been ordered to pay a total of 77,000 euros ($87,000) for crowd disturbances and other incidents at three games earlier in the competition. After a group game at Benfica, UEFA put Ajax on probation for one year with a threat to ban selling tickets to fans for an away game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker 1,332 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 On 08/03/2019 at 08:22, Panna King said: Yeah very true, I read a lot of the foreign news about Ajax's win over Real and they described Ajax beating Real Madrid playing Barcelona style football! Actually that style of football "tiki-taka" was created in the 40's by River Plate's "La Maquina" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asura 319 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 In a book called "Brilliant Orange" I read that this style called "Total Football" is an invention of a guy named Vic Buckingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,265 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The fuck is that Juve lineup. No Dybala? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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