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Are there a lack of quality footballers in world football?

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Or is it just me? Worse for me is strikers. How many real world class strikers are there at the moment? I would only have Suarez as he has done it in the CL and league.

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Just now, MUFC said:

Or is it just me? Worse for me is strikers. How many real world class strikers are there at the moment? I would only have Suarez as he has done it in the CL and league.

Kane. Mbappe. Aguero. Griezmann. Icardi (before he had his strop). 

Obviously Ronaldo and Messi but that's a given. 

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I'd say there is a real lack of quality RB's in the world atm. 

I mean, how many can you think of that are class going forward and class defensively?

Carvajal?

Kimmich?

Walker?

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Central defenders have been in short supply for a while. 

But ultimately it's an uneven period with two players much better than the rest making the pack look average. 

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Of course there are world class players in every position in this era, some may not be as good as world class players from other eras, but they’re still world class players  

 

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I think it's stupid to even suggest there's a lack of quality footballers. Some positions may have less than other parts of the pitch but there certainly isn't a lack of abundant footballers.

 

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There really isn't an abundance of top right backs though 

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2 hours ago, Cicero said:

There really isn't an abundance of top right backs though 

Clyne disagrees

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Honestly, I dont' think mbappe is elite yet. Close, but still very immature. Just watch his game against United to see how rough around the edges he is. The centre-forward position has basically bene replaced by wide forwards anyway.

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How do we differentiate elite and world class? Purely subjective?

Like I would consider Mane an elite player, but not world class. 

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Just now, Cicero said:

How do we differentiate elite and world class? Purely subjective?

Like I would consider Mane an elite player, but not world class. 

For me anyway, world class is the best in that position. So at any point I consider only ten players world class. 

ST
LW
RW
AM
CM
DM
RB
LB
CB
GK

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13 minutes ago, Spike said:

Honestly, I dont' think mbappe is elite yet. Close, but still very immature. Just watch his game against United to see how rough around the edges he is. The centre-forward position has basically bene replaced by wide forwards anyway.

Of course still room for improvement. I'd definitely still have him in a squad and was more in response to @MUFC saying he'd only have Suarez.

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30 minutes ago, Spike said:

For me anyway, world class is the best in that position. So at any point I consider only ten players world class. 

ST
LW
RW
AM
CM
DM
RB
LB
CB
GK

And its the term that is thrown at every other player 

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For me a world class player is a player that could walk into any other side. So there's very few actual world class players.

But to answer the question posed by the thread's topic - no there's loads of really great players.

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Football evolves. If you look back just 20 years it was slower and there was a lot more space on the pitch. For this reason I think it is hard to compare different generations because modern footballers have the advantage of modern sports science. 

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I think Messi and Ronaldo make the others look worse really.

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10 hours ago, Cicero said:

I'd say there is a real lack of quality RB's in the world atm. 

I mean, how many can you think of that are class going forward and class defensively?

Carvajal?

Kimmich?

Walker?

I honestly reckon Ricardo Pereira is one of the best right backs in the PL. Wouldn't call him world class but he's in the top five in the league I'd say. I think he'd start for the majority of the league.

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By definition world class is one of or the best in the world. So someone has to be world class.

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I think nostalgia gets in the way of our opinions. We look at greats from the past and compare them to now, and nostalgia makes us believe they were so much better, when that's not true at all.

Luis Suarez is the second best striker of the 21st century, only behind the Brazilian Ronaldo.

Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are 2 of the top 10 best players ever. You could even argue both are top 5. One of them definitely is.

Neymar may be selfish but he's still one of the most talented Brazilians since the 1990's.

And as for countries by themselves...

Alexis Sanchez is the best Chilean player to ever play the game.

Marek Hamsik is (or was not too long ago) one of the best Slovakian players since the split.

Son Heung-Min is arguably the best asian player in history.

Godin is the best Uruguayan defender since the 1950's

Let's also not forget how shite Germany were until 2010. Them and the 2006 side were building to what they are now. Some teams have gotten worse, others have gotten better.

So yeah, we are blinded by nostalgia sometimes. To suggest there aren't quality footballers these days is outrageous.

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On 19/03/2019 at 13:38, Cicero said:

I'd say there is a real lack of quality RB's in the world atm. 

I mean, how many can you think of that are class going forward and class defensively?

Carvajal?

Kimmich?

Walker?

I don't rate Walker that much tbh, he's good but not world class

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2 minutes ago, Blue said:

I think nostalgia gets in the way of our opinions. We look at greats from the past and compare them to now, and nostalgia makes us believe they were so much better, when that's not true at all.

Luis Suarez is the second best striker of the 21st century, only behind the Brazilian Ronaldo.

Thierry Henry 

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1 minute ago, Happy Blue said:

I don't rate Walker that much tbh, he's good but not world class

And Kimmich isn't all that as well from what I've gathered. 

Like I said there is a lack of top class right backs 

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1 minute ago, Cicero said:

Thierry Henry 

I forgot about him, but is Suarez really that much worse? 

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On 19/03/2019 at 13:31, MUFC said:

Or is it just me? Worse for me is strikers. How many real world class strikers are there at the moment? I would only have Suarez as he has done it in the CL and league.

Aguero, De Bruyne, Sane, Sterling, Bernardo, Ederson, Mendy, Fernandinho, Laporte are all world class 4 sure

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2 minutes ago, Cicero said:

And Kimmich isn't all that as well from what I've gathered. 

Like I said there is a lack of top class right backs 

I agree, not many Dani Avles about these days

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3 minutes ago, Blue said:

I forgot about him, but is Suarez really that much worse? 

No. Just Henry was that much better 

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Just now, Cicero said:

No. Just Henry was that much better 

Well, I don't remember enough of Henry so take this with a grain of salt. Suarez was a superstar everywhere he went, Henry only at Arsenal IIRC

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1 minute ago, Blue said:

Well, I don't remember enough of Henry so take this with a grain of salt. Suarez was a superstar everywhere he went, Henry only at Arsenal IIRC

I hate that argument. 

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Just now, Cicero said:

I hate that argument. 

Take that with a grain of salt. I really only looked at stats of his other clubs and remembered he didn't exactly succeed at Barca. No idea how he was at Monaco or Juve, so couldn't say.

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5 minutes ago, Blue said:

Take that with a grain of salt. I really only looked at stats of his other clubs and remembered he didn't exactly succeed at Barca. No idea how he was at Monaco or Juve, so couldn't say.

I get it, a grain of salt, but seriously...how can you rate the Brazilian Ronaldo but NOT Henry and use the argument that you didn't watch Henry...yet he's younger than Ronaldo...? o.O 

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