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Should be going all out to bring him in.

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3 hours ago, CaaC - John said:

If Moyes was all that great he would have been managing another club by now, he finished his six-month tenure at West Ham and that was him, no other club has come in for him and just because he is Scottish doesn't mean he would be good for the Scotland job.

Look at what he did at Everton. I'm not saying he is a great manager. I'm just saying that he is the best Scotland have at the moment. With the exception of Clark maybe

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8 hours ago, Gunnersauraus said:

With the exception of Clark

A better option than Moyes.  :ay:

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55 minutes ago, CaaC - John said:

A better option than Moyes.  :ay:

Quite possibly yeah. But he's the only one. To be fair I think gemmel could do a good job bit when it comes to credentials clark and Moyes have the most 

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@CaaC - John. Actually scrap that last bit. Just looked it up and I don't think there is anything he has done that Moyes couldn't. It's unfortunate but there is a lack of decent Scottish managers around at the minute

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Honestly don't get why nationality is even a factor. All the decent Scottish coaches are settled in good club jobs so we can't bank on getting any of them.

Plenty of small nations which qualify for tournaments do so with foreign managers. The idea of us being overambitious is laughable when countries like Albania, Hungary, Romania and Iceland get to major tournaments and we don't. Their talent pools are not any better than Scotland's - the difference is purely coaching, and planning at the association level.  Even Ireland I would not say are any better than us and look what they've achieved. 

There is absolutely no reason we can't set our expectation as being that we get to a tournament - the only reason we've become accustomed to never getting anywhere is that our FA cannot be arsed to go out there and find a coach who can make our decent bunch of players into a cohesive unit. 

 

Edit: the Kazakhs at home in the last few years have been held to a draw by Latvia and Armenia, beaten by Georgia, skelped by a bang average Russian side, and comfortably beaten by Montenegro. Their only home wins have been Azerbaijan and Andorra.

The idea that the 3-0 was anything less than an utter disgrace is absolutely ridiculous, and he should have been sacked instantly for it. He shouldn't have got to the dressing room. The failure to sack him at that point was in itself worth sacking every relevant decision-maker at the FA, if only there was any accountability. 

If it was a freak result where we missed chances and the Kazakhs scored some wonder goals,  it would be different, but it was a comfortable 3-0 which could easily have been more. The insipid 2-0 win over San Marino only reinforced things.

 

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59 minutes ago, Inverted said:

Honestly don't get why nationality is even a factor. All the decent Scottish coaches are settled in good club jobs so we can't bank on getting any of them.

Plenty of small nations which qualify for tournaments do so with foreign managers. The idea of us being overambitious is laughable when countries like Albania, Hungary, Romania and Iceland get to major tournaments and we don't. Their talent pools are not any better than Scotland's - the difference is purely coaching, and planning at the association level.  Even Ireland I would not say are any better than us and look what they've achieved. 

There is absolutely no reason we can't set our expectation as being that we get to a tournament - the only reason we've become accustomed to never getting anywhere is that our FA cannot be arsed to go out there and find a coach who can make our decent bunch of players into a cohesive unit. 

 

Edit: the Kazakhs at home in the last few years have been held to a draw by Latvia and Armenia, beaten by Georgia, skelped by a bang average Russian side, and comfortably beaten by Montenegro. Their only home wins have been Azerbaijan and Andorra.

The idea that the 3-0 was anything less than an utter disgrace is absolutely ridiculous, and he should have been sacked instantly for it. He shouldn't have got to the dressing room. The failure to sack him at that point was in itself worth sacking every relevant decision-maker at the FA, if only there was any accountability. 

If it was a freak result where we missed chances and the Kazakhs scored some wonder goals,  it would be different, but it was a comfortable 3-0 which could easily have been more. The insipid 2-0 win over San Marino only reinforced things.

 

I'm a bit confused because I thought you were Danish? I think a lot of it is because Berti vogts did so bad. But maybe it is necessary for Scotland. 

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1 hour ago, Gunnersauraus said:

I'm a bit confused because I thought you were Danish? I think a lot of it is because Berti vogts did so bad. But maybe it is necessary for Scotland. 

I was just living there when I made the account, never bothered changing the flag to anything else. 

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11 hours ago, Gunnersauraus said:

@CaaC - John. Actually scrap that last bit. Just looked it up and I don't think there is anything he has done that Moyes couldn't. It's unfortunate but there is a lack of decent Scottish managers around at the minute

Steve Clark, Derek McInnes, Danny Lennon, Dick Campbell, Malky Mackay, Jim Duffy to name a few, but we can only speculate what the super brains of the Scottish FA will do next, maybe they will create history and put Mr Bean in charge and say "Shit or Bust".  xD

 

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41 minutes ago, CaaC - John said:

Steve Clark, Derek McInnes, Danny Lennon, Dick Campbell, Malky Mackay, Jim Duffy to name a few, but we can only speculate what the super brains of the Scottish FA will do next, maybe they will create history and put Mr Bean in charge and say "Shit or Bust".  xD

 

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None of those managere have done anything to suggest they are better than Moyes

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On 20/04/2019 at 10:15, Gunnersauraus said:

None of those managere have done anything to suggest they are better than Moyes

At this time, what has Moyes done to suggest he is better than them?

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9 minutes ago, ScoRoss said:

At this time, what has Moyes done to suggest he is better than them?

As I said apart from Clark none of them have managed at the top level successfully

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9 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

As I said apart from Clark none of them have managed at the top level successfully

Moyes hasn't met any expectations in the last 6 years. Frankly, football has moved on from his time at Everton and he has not.

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3 hours ago, ScoRoss said:

Moyes hasn't met any expectations in the last 6 years. Frankly, football has moved on from his time at Everton and he has not.

Nor has any Scotland manager. And he did ok at West ham and was unlucky to get sacked in my opinion. I actually don't think he would be the best man for the job. Just call it a hunch but in terms of credentials he has the most.  But credentials don't mean everything. Steve McClaren had the most credentials to be England manager he was still did a terrible job

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9 hours ago, Gunnersauraus said:

Nor has any Scotland manager. And he did ok at West ham and was unlucky to get sacked in my opinion. I actually don't think he would be the best man for the job. Just call it a hunch but in terms of credentials he has the most.  But credentials don't mean everything. Steve McClaren had the most credentials to be England manager he was still did a terrible job

Which is why they have been sacked. No point bringing in someone else to disappoint.

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50 minutes ago, ScoRoss said:

Which is why they have been sacked. No point bringing in someone else to disappoint.

I meant any current Scottish manager not ones that have managed the national team. There aren't any Scottish managers that have a great CV at the minute. Moyes has the best out of all the Scottish managers. But like I said doesn't mean he is the right man for the job

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Steve Clarke has far exceeded expectations at Kilmarnock, so I can't see how "no Scottish managers have exceeded expectations". Let alone what Jack Ross has done in his short career so far. Or Derek McInnes has done, or Alex Neil...

This is why the same rotation of Moyes / Allardyce / Pardew... Etc happens. People can't see beyond the same people that have had successive failures.

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Posted (edited)

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Edit: Sorry, posted in the wrong thread, made a separate thread about Billy McNeil.

 

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1 hour ago, ScoRoss said:

Superb news.

This is great news. I still feel thay Moyes has the most credentials on paper but do did McClaren. Hopefully he can get you to a tournament. Would be good to see 

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Bloke’s an idiot. Loved in his current role and his stock is rising by the week, so to take on a job like Scotland, where they’re institutionally broken and the fans have higher expectations than their status, is just a bit daft, IMO. 

It reeks of him being under pressure by October after games with Cyprus, Belgium x2 and Russia x2. 

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15 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said:

Bloke’s an idiot. Loved in his current role and his stock is rising by the week, so to take on a job like Scotland, where they’re institutionally broken and the fans have higher expectations than their status, is just a bit daft, IMO. 

It reeks of him being under pressure by October after games with Cyprus, Belgium x2 and Russia x2. 

He can probably only take Kilmarnock so far though. If he turns down Scotland he might not get a chance again. I can understand him taking the job.

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Might be the same old story after a few months and he will be another one out of the door, the whole Scottish board should resign and get replaced, they couldn't organise a piss up in a boxing ring. :coffee:

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Ian Maxwell, who made the appointment, is a new face within the SFA. He seems to have bought himself a lot of good grace with this. Certainly enough to last this qualification cycle...

Now, he just needs to show Malky Mackay out the building...

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I just hope fingers_crossed.gif  he can be at least like former Scotland manager Craig Brown who took over from Andy Roxburgh, Craig Brown's appointment...

" His appointment was greeted critically, as Brown had a low-profile career in football beforehand. Despite limited resources, Brown managed to lead Scotland to qualification for two major tournaments, UEFA Euro 1996 and the 1998 FIFA World Cup."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_national_football_team_manager#1986–2001:_Roxburgh_and_Brown

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