Toinho 2,210 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 5 hours ago, LFCMike said: Yeah seems like a right dickhead doesn’t he. What was his plan if he didn’t get covid a few weeks ago? Im a bit disgusted he has a court appearance tomorrow - yet we have a load of refugees etc in detention centres who will never get a court hearing. Just fuck him off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Don't let the recent debacle distract you from the fact that there never was a big 4. Andy Murray = Stan Wawrinka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,101 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Don't let the recent debacle distract you from the fact that there never was a big 4. Andy Murray = Stan Wawrinka. Murray played in twice as many finals and has won over 13% more of his matches. Murray is closer to Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer, than Wawrinka is to Murray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 36 minutes ago, Spike said: Murray played in twice as many finals and has won over 13% more of his matches. Murray is closer to Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer, than Wawrinka is to Murray Lost in twice as many finals. While I do believe the 'big 4' is a myth that wouldn't have existed if say, Del Potro replaced Murray. Your 2nd comment I must STRONGLY disagree with. Stan the man with his 2 titles is MUCH MUCH MUCH closer to Murray with his 2 titles than Murray is to the 3 guys who've won 10 times as many titles. Give your head a wobble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,101 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Lost in twice as many finals. While I do believe the 'big 4' is a myth that wouldn't have existed if say, Del Potro replaced Murray. Your 2nd comment I must STRONGLY disagree with. Stan the man with his 2 titles is MUCH MUCH MUCH closer to Murray with his 2 titles than Murray is to the 3 guys who've won 10 times as many titles. Give your head a wobble. It isn’t just about titles. Murray has won well over 100 more games than Wawrinka. Murray consistently got to the finals and lost to… the three best players of all time? He is no big four but he is a league apart from Wawrinka. Wawrinka didn’t lose as many finals because he wasn't good enough to get to the finals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,101 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 If you are a stats guy Murray winning % is much closer to the big three’s, than Wawrinka’s is to Murray’s. Big3 sits around 82%, Murray at 76%, and Wawrinka at 63%. Out of context yeah, but how many of Murrays losses are exclusive to Federer, Nadal, and Cuntface? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Spike said: If you are a stats guy Murray winning % is much closer to the big three’s, than Wawrinka’s is to Murray’s. Big3 sits around 82%, Murray at 76%, and Wawrinka at 63%. Out of context yeah, but how many of Murrays losses are exclusive to Federer, Nadal, and Cuntface? Stan had a shorter peak than Murray. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,101 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Stan had a shorter peak than Murray. That is all. and won less matches and less tournaments and got to less finals. Murray was significantly more successful, that doesn’t mean Wawrinka wasn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,101 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 quick google search says murray has won 46 titles to wawrinkas 16, murray has won head to head 12-9. i dot give a fuck about tennis at all but the numbers dont lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 12-9 justifies my earlier comment. They're MUCH more similar than Murray to the 3 actual all time greats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,101 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 wawinka has 12 wins against the top three murray has 28 just accept the L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,610 Posted January 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2022 Murray also had a lot more serious injuries than Wawrinka, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,660 Posted January 9, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted January 9, 2022 Murray has had a way better career than Wawrinka but won't be remembered as a part of the big four historically. What's more telling is someone being rattled enough to bring that up unprovoked the best part of a decade since it was relevant . On Djokovic, it's now come out he did a photoshoot with L'Equipe two days after he 'tested positive for Covid' as well as the awards event thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub 2,508 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 I've only played tennis on Mario Tennis, always with Yoshi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 59 minutes ago, RondónEFC said: Murray has had a way better career than Wawrinka but won't be remembered as a part of the big four historically. What's more telling is someone being rattled enough to bring that up unprovoked the best part of a decade since it was relevant . On Djokovic, it's now come out he did a photoshoot with L'Equipe two days after he 'tested positive for Covid' as well as the awards event thing. You're at least grounded in reality. Yes, Murray was better than Stan, which I have already stated that saying they are equal is a wind up. But he was So far behind the other 3 it's not funny. Both on the court and in the cabinet. If Murray was from a country that wasnt a western power the big 4 would never have existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,660 Posted January 9, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: You're at least grounded in reality. Yes, Murray was better than Stan, which I have already stated that saying they are equal is a wind up. But he was So far behind the other 3 it's not funny. Both on the court and in the cabinet. If Murray was from a country that wasnt a western power the big 4 would never have existed. Over the course of their whole careers, Murray clearly falls comfortably behind the other three, but in the context of the time people actually talked about the Big Four, Djokovic was only just winning his first Grand Slams and Murray wasn't far off. He was basically as unbeatable for the rest of the tour as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. His head to head against Nadal has always been poor, but he's only 14-11 down to Federer, and 25-11 to Djokovic is exactly what you'd get from a player who's the bottom of a top four. Murray also picked up a lot of achievements outside the Grand Slams, winning the Olympic competition twice, the Davis Cup almost single-handedly, and made it to the #1 spot at year's end. The Big Four in a historical context is a fallacy, obviously, you don't have to look beyond the Grand Slam count to prove that. However, the comparison to Wawrinka is disingenuous. The Big Four were christened thus because there was a phase in mens' tennis where the semi-finals of any Masters 1000 or Grand Slam competition would almost exclusively involve those four players, or at least three of the four. There was a huge gulf between them and the rest of the field. There was also a gap between Murray and the top three which prevented him from from winning more Grand Slams but it was a smaller one. This is laid out in how comfortably Murray (after his peak) dominated the tour in the back end of 2016 where Djokovic had a small dip in form and Federer and Nadal had injury problems. Ultimately, whether you want to argue over whether you want to call it a Big Three or a Big Four during that era of tennis is semantics. It is very clear that Murray was the 4th of the four, but he was much closer to the other three than anyone else was to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,610 Posted January 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Khan of TF365 said: I've only played tennis on Mario Tennis, always with Yoshi. Would you say Yoshi is in the Top 4? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub 2,508 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, Tommy said: Would you say Yoshi is in the Top 4? Mario, Peach, Wario and Yoshi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toinho 2,210 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Khan of TF365 said: Mario, Peach, Wario and Yoshi What about top 4 you’d shag? Peach number one for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,497 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toinho 2,210 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Utter incompetence from the federal government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt 1,282 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Apparently been re-arrested more or less immediately after the judge quashed the original cancellation and are looking to try and revoke his visa again. What a shitshow from the Aussie government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toinho 2,210 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: Apparently been re-arrested more or less immediately after the judge quashed the original cancellation and are looking to try and revoke his visa again. What a shitshow from the Aussie government. Not true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt 1,282 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Toinho said: Not true Looks like you're right on the re-arrest (it was mentioned that it did originate from Serbia), but the potential re-cancellation is still ongoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ 15,325 Posted January 10, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: Looks like you're right on the re-arrest (it was mentioned that it did originate from Serbia), but the potential re-cancellation is still ongoing. They canceled the visa of a Czech tennis player who had been in the country for weeks already and even played a match in a practice tournament, and detained her unlike Djokovic, she doesn't have the resources to fight the Australian government though, so just agreed to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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