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@Dr. Gonzo I take it you know the USSR had to be coerced to leave Iran post WWII.

However that does not justify the other sides presence either.

The Islamic nations of the Arabian peninsular friendly to the US have also been trying to diversify their economies.

Though if there is Middle Eastern war involving Iran they will likely be caught in the cross-fire of missiles and need to rebuild possibly with less oil revenue due to climate change favouring other energies. 

The war on Yemen get's little mention in our media probably because we sell arms to Saudi Arabia.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

I would say the UK is far more vested in Saudi Arabia and the UAE than the US.   the issue still remains "radical Islam".   it seems western interest is oil and munitions contracts

Maybe in the 40s, but I think since the US has been a superpower the US definitely has more influence over the Saudis & UAE.

But of course the house of Saud is forever in the UK’s debt for being able to plaster their name on the country and for the kingdom they’ve set up.

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3 hours ago, Waylander said:

@Dr. Gonzo I take it you know the USSR had to be coerced to leave Iran post WWII.

However that does not justify the other sides presence either.

The Islamic nations of the Arabian peninsular friendly to the US have also been trying to diversify their economies.

Though if there is Middle Eastern war involving Iran they will likely be caught in the cross-fire of missiles and need to rebuild possibly with less oil revenue due to climate change favouring other energies. 

The war on Yemen get's little mention in our media probably because we sell arms to Saudi Arabia.

 

 

 

Yeah, Russia (even before it was Soviet) has had a long and significant interest in Iran. But British and Soviet occupation of Iran is something that Iran dealt with for about 45-50 years after the Persian famine. But the Soviets successfully had Gilan as a Soviet state for a short while in history.

I think if there’s a war in the Middle East involving Iran, it’ll probably be a horrific shitshow that makes Iraq and Syria look like a walk in the park. Probably like a hybrid of the Iraq war with some of this Yemen style slow genocide.

I absolutely think you are right the media doesn’t cover our role in the Yemen conflict because we are tacit supporters in the genocide going on there. Don’t want to make the public too aware of horrible things done with our support or we might be asked to stop supporting horrible things.

Theres probably a lot of issues that here in the west we ought to hit the reset button and take a better look at things. Foreign policy in the Middle East is definitely one of them. Because we’ve not made the region a better place… so many actions the west has made in the region have been short sighted and made the area less peaceful and more dangerous for everyone.

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yeah, Russia (even before it was Soviet) has had a long and significant interest in Iran. But British and Soviet occupation of Iran is something that Iran dealt with for about 45-50 years after the Persian famine. But the Soviets successfully had Gilan as a Soviet state for a short while in history.

I think if there’s a war in the Middle East involving Iran, it’ll probably be a horrific shitshow that makes Iraq and Syria look like a walk in the park. Probably like a hybrid of the Iraq war with some of this Yemen style slow genocide.

I absolutely think you are right the media doesn’t cover our role in the Yemen conflict because we are tacit supporters in the genocide going on there. Don’t want to make the public too aware of horrible things done with our support or we might be asked to stop supporting horrible things.

Theres probably a lot of issues that here in the west we ought to hit the reset button and take a better look at things. Foreign policy in the Middle East is definitely one of them. Because we’ve not made the region a better place… so many actions the west has made in the region have been short sighted and made the area less peaceful and more dangerous for everyone.

With the invasion and occupation of Iraq, the Iranians upped their game in the military stakes.

With their presence along much of the Gulf coastline, mountains, Hezbollah and the question of their missile ability suggests the Gulf would close sending oil prices catastrophic.

It is hard to know how effective their missiles are though one hit the US airbase in Iraq during Trumps tenure and he said no damage was done and then admitted later some staff suffered. 'headaches'. So somehow they fired a missile that went undetected and unchallenged over 100s of miles.

The US or Israel will not get much advantage of a surprise attack due to proximity of other countries with citizens sympathies towards Iran or against US/Israel.

 

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4 hours ago, Waylander said:

With the invasion and occupation of Iraq, the Iranians upped their game in the military stakes.

With their presence along much of the Gulf coastline, mountains, Hezbollah and the question of their missile ability suggests the Gulf would close sending oil prices catastrophic.

It is hard to know how effective their missiles are though one hit the US airbase in Iraq during Trumps tenure and he said no damage was done and then admitted later some staff suffered. 'headaches'. So somehow they fired a missile that went undetected and unchallenged over 100s of miles.

The US or Israel will not get much advantage of a surprise attack due to proximity of other countries with citizens sympathies towards Iran or against US/Israel.

 

It’s also a much bigger population with a much more diverse terrain than other countries in the region they’ve fought in.

I think Iran would get destroyed for sure, but it would be a really unpleasant war for everyone involved. And devastating a country of 80m people is going to do nothing for the stability of the region.

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Minor sanctions relief for Iran from the US today ahead of US-Iran talks regarding restoring the JCPOA (although at this point, I think it's only going to last for as long as the Biden administration will - so probably 2 years at best) tomorrow.

It's only really on Iran's nuclear industry and isn't so meaningful for most of the population struggling with the economic squeeze these sanctions are putting on them.

But it's promising news for possibly temporary relief for Iranians in Iran, and a rare good sign that talks might be going well between the West and Iran.

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Pakistan faction of Taliban have officially asked for help from US to fight Pakistani state. Their whole reason to fight in the first place started because according to them Pak state was a lackey of great satan US.

A reminder that these types of organisations are only centralised in their early years of formation, when their leader dies or splits occur they become loosely bound parts of global underworld with no real ideology or motive. They'll fight anyone for $$$.

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3 hours ago, Aladdin said:

Pakistan faction of Taliban have officially asked for help from US to fight Pakistani state. Their whole reason to fight in the first place started because according to them Pak state was a lackey of great satan US.

A reminder that these types of organisations are only centralised in their early years of formation, when their leader dies or splits occur they become loosely bound parts of global underworld with no real ideology or motive. They'll fight anyone for $$$.

That last point should be pretty clear with the West fighting on the same side as Al Qaeda and ISIS in Yemen - but it’s still something a lot of people overlook or just don’t realise 

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On 16/03/2022 at 02:39, Dr. Gonzo said:

Saudi Arabia is reportedly considering selling oil in Chinese RMB rather than the US Dollar.

And UAE has now met with Bashar Al-Assad after 11 years. Gulf states ditching on US is the most unlikely outcome of Russia-Ukraine so far. 

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India is also considering changing trade away from USD and using Rupees to Rubles.

I was listen to an Army Colonel and Pentagon adviser who is against this sanctioning of Russia and says this could cause massive economic problems in the US as it becomes an economic war of attrition.

He said the Brits pre WWI based their empire on working with groups in foreign countries and isolating the opposition and said the US took a different approach with threats and this might just be the turning point.

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Reports that Pakistan may join the Saudi coalition against Yemen after this joint statement from visit of new PM with MBS. This all gives legitimacy to Khan's claim that U.S was behind his ousting.

MBS is in a strong position, Erdogan is also fixing ties for economic relief like us and US UK need him to do something about oil prices. He'll get his terms

Apart from the moral argument of joining probably the worst blockade right now. Its detrimental in so many ways. 

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10 hours ago, Aladdin said:

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Reports that Pakistan may join the Saudi coalition against Yemen after this joint statement from visit of new PM with MBS. This all gives legitimacy to Khan's claim that U.S was behind his ousting.

MBS is in a strong position, Erdogan is also fixing ties for economic relief like us and US UK need him to do something about oil prices. He'll get his terms

Apart from the moral argument of joining probably the worst blockade right now. Its detrimental in so many ways. 

Bunch of fucking haramis.

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On 01/05/2022 at 11:33, Aladdin said:

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Reports that Pakistan may join the Saudi coalition against Yemen after this joint statement from visit of new PM with MBS. This all gives legitimacy to Khan's claim that U.S was behind his ousting.

MBS is in a strong position, Erdogan is also fixing ties for economic relief like us and US UK need him to do something about oil prices. He'll get his terms

Apart from the moral argument of joining probably the worst blockade right now. Its detrimental in so many ways. 

I don't see why Pakistan would want to get involved in this conflict other than outside influence pressuring them into it. I don't even see why the US would want to put Pakistan in this sort of uncomfortable position.

Moral objections aside, it'll also enflame relations with Pakistan & Iran - which likely will lead Iran to turn more than a blind eye to Balochi separatist movements and possibly even encourage them in Pakistan to create more instability. And it seems weird for the US to want to degrade that relationship - because they use Pakistan as their official channel for most diplomatic discussions with Iran.

But really the moral objection is the biggest reason to object though because honestly... fuck the Houthis, they're also awful people. But the blockade and bombings of Yemen fit the UN definition of genocide - so it's an awful thing to have your country attach itself too (even though the Saudis and their coalition allies stand no chance of ever facing repercussions for their crimes... so there is that).

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The US is pressurising Pakistan as it it trying to prevent a run against the US$.

If the BRICS and other nations refuse to use the dollar for international trade the demand for the dollar falls this is believed to mean they will no longer be able to have such large forces abroad.

The vacuum internationally would probably allow China to step forward. 

This may happen anyway on a much longer time scale.

 

 

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Taliban slaughtering Tajikis again.

Unsurprising, for all this talk of a "reformed" taliban... they're the same backwards animals they've always been. They just took a few months to try to appear like they weren't the same pieces of shit.

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Funeral of Al Jazeera Palestinian journalist Shireen Abdul Akleh, killed by a sniper shot earlier getting the usual treatment by Israeli security forces. 

 

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5 hours ago, Aladdin said:

Funeral of Al Jazeera Palestinian journalist Shireen Abdul Akleh, killed by a sniper shot earlier getting the usual treatment by Israeli security forces. 

 

They claimed she was caught in crossfire and want to "conduct an investigation" - but eyewitness accounts suggest that there were no Palestinian militants around and it appears she was sniped as she was hit between her helmet covering and her vest.

She's something of a journalistic legend though. Decades covering that conflict - she'd been shot before on live TV (in the leg) too.

Brave woman, disgusting death. Crazy how many journalists get killed by the IDF like this. But she was also a US citizen as well (and a Christian, weirdly) - so it's kind of weird in a sense there's a sort of muted reaction to her death coming from the US... but also not all that surprising because it's the Israel-Palestine conflict.

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8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

They claimed she was caught in crossfire and want to "conduct an investigation" - but eyewitness accounts suggest that there were no Palestinian militants around and it appears she was sniped as she was hit between her helmet covering and her vest.

She's something of a journalistic legend though. Decades covering that conflict - she'd been shot before on live TV (in the leg) too.

Brave woman, disgusting death. Crazy how many journalists get killed by the IDF like this. But she was also a US citizen as well (and a Christian, weirdly) - so it's kind of weird in a sense there's a sort of muted reaction to her death coming from the US... but also not all that surprising because it's the Israel-Palestine conflict.

How is that weirdly? This region Levant is the birth place of Christianity. Muslim-Christian relations in Palestine, Jordan, Syria are a role model for everywhere. Discrimination against Christians by Israeli authorities usually goes unnoticed by the media bcz it doesn't have that religious spice to it.

This was a good read. 

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https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/palestinian-orthodox-christians-struggle-two-colonialisms

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3 hours ago, Aladdin said:

How is that weirdly? This region Levant is the birth place of Christianity. Muslim-Christian relations in Palestine, Jordan, Syria are a role model for everywhere. Discrimination against Christians by Israeli authorities usually goes unnoticed by the media bcz it doesn't have that religious spice to it.

This was a good read. 

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https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/palestinian-orthodox-christians-struggle-two-colonialisms

I guess the plight of the Palestinian Christians is just something that isn’t often talked about in the west.

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I don't know much about the intricacies of Israel and Palestine's dispute but I do know that support for Palestine is for some reason deemed to be a "left wing" thing in the UK and some sort of taboo.

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