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What a good lesson in understanding rhythm and melody mechanics. Don't know if anyone plays an acoustic on here but that switching during the rhythm sounds complicated but really isn't the more you practice it.

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Anyone here seen this band before? Been listening to them like mad this last week, their guitarist (Mark Speer he's called) has this amazing tone. Any idea what he would be doing to get this kind of sound? It just seems so psychy and spaced-out but also crisp and clear. 

The songs are so simple and would be repetitive for most bands, but the bass and drums are so tight, and this guy's playing is just so interesting, that I can't stop listening. 

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5 minutes ago, Inverted said:

Anyone here seen this band before? Been listening to them like mad this last week, their guitarist (Mark Speer he's called) has this amazing tone. Any idea what he would be doing to get this kind of sound? It just seems so psychy and spaced-out but also crisp and clear. 

The songs are so simple and would be repetitive for most bands, but the bass and drums are so tight, and this guy's playing is just so interesting, that I can't stop listening. 

Sounds like a Fender amp's cleans. My guess would be a Twin Reverb or a Deluxe Reverb or something like that... It sounds like one of their "famous" amps - I just think it sounds a lot like a Fender clean tone. No idea what kind of guitar he's playing. I think I'm hearing a neck humbucker pickup - but I'm not the best at figuring out what pickups anyone is using. I can just definitively tell you when it's a neck or bridge singlecoil pickup. In terms of effects I'm hearing some light overdrive/distortion from a pedal before the amp, a pretty big amount of reverb (no clue if that's from the amp or a pedal), and some sort of delay... I can't tell if it's digital or analog delay ( @Mel81x might be able to know better, I can only really hear the difference between an analogue/digital delay when I use it).

It's psychy and spaced out from the reverb and delay. It's very crisp and clear because... well that's just something Fender's valve amps do really well on their clean channel. Very nice tone.

Nice song too, seems like shite I could listening to while working to stay calm while I work.

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@Inverted - just found this. I'm actually fairly proud of my ears for getting a lot right!

So he's got a made in Mexico Stratocaster, the neck and bridge pickup he's swapped out for single-coil sized humbuckers. I nailed the fucking amp, Fender Deluxe Reverb! And I got most of the pedals right... well the types of the pedals:

  • Wah pedal (didn't call that, but makes sense)
  • Volume pedal (basically controls his signal's volume with his feet)
  • Boss DS-1 (so he's got no overdrive pedal but just this distortion pedal, that light gain we're hearing in that track is most likely from this with the gain set very low)
  • MXR Dynacomp (compression pedal - this is a very subtle effect, there's actually a lot of reasons someone might use one too. Kind of hard to explain tbh)
  • EHX Holy Grain (reverb pedal)
  • Strymon El Capistan (digital delay that's mimicking an old school tape delay sound, crazy fucking expensive pedal)
  • Mooer Mod Factory (I've actually never heard of this pedal so I have no clue what it does. It says "mod" on it, so I imagine it's got stuff like a phaser, chorus, other time based effects)

My guess would be all of his time based effects (delay, reverb, the mod factory) are in his effects loop (maybe with his volume pedal as well), and everything else is running before his amp input. But guessing his signal chain is going to be pretty impossible really, unless he's mentioned it anywhere.

The cheapest way to get close to that sort of tone, unfortunately, is probably by going out and getting yourself one of those modeler MFX units that can also model the sound of a clean Fender amp. I've not heard the clean channel on a Marshall MG10 in over... 15 years, so I'm not sure how close you could get to the sound of that with just your amp's clean channel.

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Reading this thread makes me want to invest on a better guitar and some nice gear.

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1 hour ago, Machado said:

Reading this thread makes me want to invest on a better guitar and some nice gear.

Haha sorry about making your money burn a hole in your pocket. One good thing is that I think now is the best time ever to buy guitar gear for cheap and get some pretty nice tones.

One bad thing about guitar gear nowadays is I always see something and think “oh cool, I want that.” That’s why I like modelers, because you get to fuck around and experiment with stuff based off that’d be worth shitloads if you bought the all the amps/cabs/pedals, but all in one nice tidy box. I miss my stolen Helix :( that was a very nice little toy.

Ah well... now I’m off to go drink beer and play guitar for a few hours and that’ll be fun

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What's really odd about most good setups is that they all tend to have just one (maximum two) really expensive pedals and surely enough it will either be the delay or the reverb pedal. In the case about its the Strymon which is nothing short of a technical wonder but you can get the same sounds (not as good options) out of even software as well assuming you're willing to spend the time to learn and implement what you want. 

Figure this could turn out to be a fun little project to see if we can get the same sound from the least amount of money. @Inverted @Dr. Gonzo

This goes with the assumption that you have a decent guitar (basically anything that plugs into an amp and makes some noise). It also works on the assumption that you have an amp lol and even if you don't you have a decent pair of headphones/earphones.

So, this is what the gentleman has in his setup. copied from the reply above

  • Wah pedal (didn't call that, but makes sense)
  • Volume pedal (basically controls his signal's volume with his feet)
  • Boss DS-1 (so he's got no overdrive pedal but just this distortion pedal, that light gain we're hearing in that track is most likely from this with the gain set very low)
  • MXR Dynacomp (compression pedal - this is a very subtle effect, there's actually a lot of reasons someone might use one too. Kind of hard to explain tbh)
  • EHX Holy Grain (reverb pedal)
  • Strymon El Capistan (digital delay that's mimicking an old school tape delay sound, crazy fucking expensive pedal)
  • Mooer Mod Factory (I've actually never heard of this pedal so I have no clue what it does. It says "mod" on it, so I imagine it's got stuff like a phaser, chorus, other time based effects)

Based on that set of criteria these are things I'd recommend

  • Amplitube Software (Android/iOS) - Free 
  • https://www.amazon.co.uk/Guitar-Effects-Interface-Adapter-Converter/dp/B07B28NVG6/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=irig&qid=1562911802&s=gateway&sr=8-5 - iRig interface for phone/tablet + guitar
  • Wah Pedal -> You could technically use your phone or tablet for this but its hard to really get any kind of leverage so I am a little stumped here
  • Boss DS-1 - You can find any distortion/overdrive pedal in Amplitube so its a no-brainer plus you can get a lot of good Boss patches as well
  • MXR Dnyacomp - Get the compressor pedal from the app and put in the Post-FX to calibrate your attack, etc
  • EHX Holy Grail (Reverb Pedal) - Just got with the standard reverb pedal they give in the app and change the type to your preference. Then fiddle around with it till it gives you the closest sound. Sounds like a room reverb or a hall reverb but you can get it with some work.
  • Strymon El Capistan - This feels like the hardest one to eumulate but really you'd only be spending 1/8th of its cost because most good interfaces have a decent delay tape or otherwise
  • Mooer Mod Factory - I doubt you won't get what can be done with this pedal in a regular software option (chorus, etc)
  • Lastly, Amplitube comes with CAB simulation so you can get the Fender and change the speaker direction too.

All of this works out to less than 100 pounds which I think is a stellar deal if you want to play around and figure things out. This could even (and i use the word even mildly) run a small gig as well from your phone, iPad or device directly to the PA as well. 

 

 

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I looked the Mod Factory up and it’s literally just what I described, so you might not be able to emulate that pedal but you can emulate a phaser/flanger/chorus/all the other modulation effects that are within that pedal... which is just what you’ve said there. Also what you’ve said about the Strymon pedal was well.

By the way Strymon pedals are crazy. I could never justify spending that much on just one effect.

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Anyone seen the YouTube series put out by an account (and person) called Ben Eller, with the series called "this is why you suck at guitar" - going over common flaws in peoples' technique... and then practice routines on how to fix them? Some of them not everyone is going to need - because not everyone is bad at the same things (obviously). But pretty helpful tips (I finally was able to figure out sweep picking thanks to him a few months back, and I'd been trying to learn that for the better part of a decade) - and while the things he'll suggest you practice are "the boring kind of practice" that stuff is important if you want to fix sloppy technique and play better. So I recommend checking those out, if anyone's looking to improve their technique.

Any other good YouTubers out there. I've heard good things about Steve Stine (Stein?... idk what his surname is exactly). But I've never checked out his videos.

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On 10/07/2019 at 23:54, Dr. Gonzo said:

I never have the gain that high! I keep it at about 3-3.5 most of the time for non-death-metal metal… and for death metal I have it around 4 or 5 tops. Try lowering the gain a bit and boosting the low end, perhaps.

The "traditional" usage for a tubescreamer to tighten up our amp's low end is you bump the volume all the way up, keep the tone around the middle (I'd move it around a liiiiiitle depending on if you want a bit more low end or a bit less) and the gain either all the way down, or close to all the way down (like, if it all the way down was 0 and all the way up was 100, I'd put it at around 10-15).

BUT once I got my guitar with active pickups, I sort of felt the tubescreamer wasn't necessary to tighten my low end (personally). Although I can get a lot heavier chugs with it. Then I started using my Boss AngryDriver pedal as a boost for solos and stopped using the tubescreamer… which I basically always kept on to tighten my rhythms.

And yeah, kids have it easy as fuck these days. When we were kids learning guitar, modelers were fucking shite. Now there's modelers at pretty much every price point that sound pretty fucking good (remember that shit brand "Zoom" and they're multieffects units? Look at some demos of their shite now, it's still not the best... but at the price they're selling their gear, it sounds a hell of a lot better than what we would have gotten back then for the same amount) - so kids can mess about with various amps/effects/cabinets and figure out what sounds they like with a hell of a lot more accuracy than we ever did if we tried to do the same thing with a Line6 Spider or a Line6 Pod. And the reputation Line6 had back in the day was kind of "this is n00b equipment" - nowadays, it's hard to say that when the Helix is as good as it fucking is. And then recording stuff is so much easier to do at a much higher level than we ever could have attempted as kids - the hardest thing about it is probably figuring out how to use the fucking software in the first place. But after that initial learning curve, they've got so much available to them.

Not that I mind, mind you... because I'm also getting to benefit from how technology has advanced in guitar/music too. And I've got more disposable income than those fucking kids (well probably, not including spoiled rich kids), so I probably get to benefit from it more xD

Sorry for the late reply, thought id answered this the otherday xD ..will try it on low gain with the OD pedal, see how that sounds ..a lot of death metal bands us an overdrive as a boost like cannibal corpse, think they use the maxon though

I had a shitty zoom rack effects processor thingy in the 90's xD  ..when i worked out it was shit i got a boss distortion (the orange one) that was ok for a while, line 6 changed the game for me with the spider 3, great tones with nothing else needed, the metallica setting is perfect  ..im going bring it down later and have a mess with it B|  

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On 11/07/2019 at 08:54, Mel81x said:

 I was considering it just for the one feature of it being "always on" so you don't have the mess of wires and the fact that it has great reviews when it comes to latency, etc. Then I realized I want more power out of my playing so its not going to cut it for what I want to do and I'll stick with a traditional combo amp. I'd love to get a head/cabinet setup but then I'd have to get rid of some stuff from my work room and I don't really want to go through the hassle of doing that right now. 

As for recording stuff, what kind of software are you using with your Focusrite? There was a discussion in some section on this forum outlining the various pieces of software and hardware you can use to get the best out of recording stuff, I just can't remember where it is. The ideal setup involves a Mac, yeah i know the hate they get but honestly they have the best software/interfacing to make things easy. If you have an iPad there is also some great recording stuff for plugging a Focusrite directly into one. I am going to try that in a month or so and see how that works because if it works good then I think I'll leave the big setup for when I am ready to put something down and just use the iPad to do all the menial fiddling around and figuring stuff out.

 

 

Being wireless is a great feature, the main reason why i'm interested in it along with the great tones and the ability to just chuck it in the car and play anywhere, play it on the toilet etc xD  ..but looking at it a bit more, it's a bit pricey for what it is

Yeah, i have focusrite, will have to learn more about the digital stuff, just not enough hours in the day at the minute

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17 minutes ago, Happy Blue said:

Sorry for the late reply, thought id answered this the otherday xD ..will try it on low gain with the OD pedal, see how that sounds ..a lot of death metal bands us an overdrive as a boost like cannibal corpse, think they use the maxon though

I had a shitty zoom rack effects processor thingy in the 90's xD  ..when i worked out it was shit i got a boss distortion (the orange one) that was ok for a while, line 6 changed the game for me with the spider 3, great tones with nothing else needed, the metallica setting is perfect  ..im going bring it down later and have a mess with it B|  

No worries mate, it's not like this is WhatsApp and I sent you something days ago. You can always respond whenever - the beauty of a forum xD. The Maxon's basically just the original manufacturer of the Ibanez TS (because I think Ibanez contracted Maxon out for them). So it'll be like your standard 808 circuit... just made in Japan, rather than China like your Behringer. The Behringer uses the same exact circuit with almost the same exact parts (if not the exact same parts). I don't think it's worth the additional cost of the Maxon based on what I've seen from that guy who runs JHS. It's probably the most common pedal type ever used on guitar and so many brands have their "own take" on that circuitry - but the standard tubescreamer circuitry is generally the same for all of them... and then you consider that Behringer actually makes parts for most pedal manufacturers, I'm fairly confident your Tubescreamer clone is just as good as pretty much every other standard tubescreamer based off those original Ibanez/Maxon TS808 pedals.

Some people say the Maxon and original Ibanez pedals are the only tubescreamers that sound like "real" tubescreamers. I think that's a load of bollocks tbh - I've seen so many people use various tubescreamers and their clones, they all sound substantially the same. There's a bit of variance between some of the pedals... but that's true even of the same model pedal from the same model manufacture. The only "clone" that I think sounds noticeably different is the Boss SD-1... and that's not even really a clone because it's got it's own unique circuitry (and has been cloned by other pedal companies itself).

But yeah, I think the most traditional use for OD pedals (especially tubescreamers) in metal is as a boost to tighten up their sound. So try it out, I think you'll be pretty pleased with the results.

On a side note, that orange Boss pedal - the Boss DS-1, was also my first standalone pedal. It's somewhere at my parents' house now, my dad and I modded the fuck out of it. He still uses it because he's just got an old Fender single channel amp. Good pedal, I love Boss stuff.

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Today, I borrowed something from a friend that I have spent a lot of time reading about but just never had the inclination to setup in Logic just because its god-damn painful and requires you to spend a lot of time understanding drums to really achieve well. 

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If you're ever curious about MIDI jacking into a DAW I can say the following things.

  • Spend more time reading than actually going out and buying one of these. The idea that someone who has played string instruments for most of his life is that you plug a MIDI in and the application should pick up the device and run you through a key-mapper for most of what you need to do with the instrument of choice. Wrong. You're going to have to spend a lot of time configuring these things to work right and creating blocks for most of what you want to do.
  • You have to have good and solid music fundamentals to truly run this thing to any capacity of putting something together on a track and using again. My primary reason was to create drum loops for practicing and instead of going out and getting some off the internet I decided it might be smarter to club this with my learning of DAWs. Once again, great idea but you have to really understand what you're after and then learn the other fact that this is never going to play just like what you want it to so there's  deep learning curve if you want to master it. Can be done just takes a bit of time.
  • If you know the piano or can get around it I think this offers some great melody accompaniments on tracks where you want them but this is not a digital piano in any shape or form as its not versatile enough to be one. That's not to say you couldn't just get one and plug it in and record but these aren't built for that
  • Lastly, MIDI keys are great for people who do a lot of electronic music. This little thing that I have shown up there can do some crazy beat mixing because its not a true drum-kit it can be used to sample and run loops with the samples in parallel so you can really do some funky EDM mixing of your own if you'd like.

From the two hours I spent this morning with Logic and setting things up to now I think I'd be inclined to get one as they are dirt cheap and have a good reputation in the market as an entry-level. Plus, it adds to the other nice fact that I can simulate the sound signatures I want from it with a little work as well. If you're setting up a DAW consider one because it will be a life-saver when you want to simulate stuff that you just can't get off the internet.

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Trying to figure out Logic has been like trying to figure out how to repair a space ship engine. No fucking clue what I'm doing xD - I can't imagine spending hours configuring a MIDI with any DAW, let alone Logic

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36 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Trying to figure out Logic has been like trying to figure out how to repair a space ship engine. No fucking clue what I'm doing xD - I can't imagine spending hours configuring a MIDI with any DAW, let alone Logic

Haha. It is rather complicated when you first start then it gets progressively easier. I remember a time when getting layers to work right was such a pain then I just went out and got a mouse and now I am sorted because doing it with a trackpad is a nightmare. 

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If I could ever find a reason to get one I would. Sadly my TC Elec Hall of Fame would give me dirty looks but this is one seriously good piece of tech.

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I'm a simple man when it comes to reverb, I like as few knobs as possible and if I'm using any reverb at all it's either one of two situations: 1.) I'm soloing, 2.) I'm playing out of my 6505 at low volumes and just a touch of reverb from the amp's built in reverb makes the low volume sound just a biiiit bigger.

I used to have a Boss reverb pedal at some point in my life, when I was in a band and playing back home when I was younger. But generally, I prefer reverb that's built into an amp - although that's not idea if you want to kick it on for just a part of a song. I've always thought the EHX Holy Grail was very cool - but I've never owned or used one.

What's your favourite type of reverb? Like Hall. plate, room, spring, etc? I quite like spring reverb (I feel like everyone does) when it's an actual spring reverb unit and it's not digital... and when it is digital, I'm quite partial to plate reverb.

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I quite like them all but that's also because I started out liking Spring a lot and then transitioned into hall and room just because I was playing acoustic more and it sounded a lot better for what I was trying to do. I think EHX makes a great pedal but then again there is Strymon and their ridiculously good pedal as well which, if it wasn't so damn expensive, i'd have picked over the HoF and its a super versatile pedal for a lot of instruments not just guitars.

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51 minutes ago, Mel81x said:

I quite like them all but that's also because I started out liking Spring a lot and then transitioned into hall and room just because I was playing acoustic more and it sounded a lot better for what I was trying to do. I think EHX makes a great pedal but then again there is Strymon and their ridiculously good pedal as well which, if it wasn't so damn expensive, i'd have picked over the HoF and its a super versatile pedal for a lot of instruments not just guitars.

I think every Strymon pedal is incredibly good quality, they look sturdy as fuck and they sound ridiculously good. But holy fuck the prices. I think the HoF is a much more reasonably priced pedal that does just about everything you'd want from the Strymon, tbh. Might not have the same exact sound characteristics as the Strymon… but in all honesty, I'm not sure if it's worth the premium compared to the HoF.

Take, for instance, my dream amp: https://www.fortinamps.com/product/mesh-amp/ (not that I'm that into Meshuggah, but that amp can basically cover the full range of all Marshall sounds - from old school 60s rock to modern day extra heavy shit... in an old school single channel Plexi style amp). That is an absolutely insane price for it. I want it so badly, but I'm sure there's other amp manufacturers out there that have their own take on a hot rodded Plexi that are less fucking insane with the prices. It may not sound as good as an amp hand built by Mike Fortin himself (which I think is crazy that I can actually buy an amp Mike Fortin worked on)… but it'd get the job done probably in a substantially similar way to the Meshuggah amp.

Having said that though, comparing pedals to amps is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. But apples and oranges are both fucking fruit, so why not compare them sometimes xD

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6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think every Strymon pedal is incredibly good quality, they look sturdy as fuck and they sound ridiculously good. But holy fuck the prices. I think the HoF is a much more reasonably priced pedal that does just about everything you'd want from the Strymon, tbh. Might not have the same exact sound characteristics as the Strymon… but in all honesty, I'm not sure if it's worth the premium compared to the HoF.

Take, for instance, my dream amp: https://www.fortinamps.com/product/mesh-amp/ (not that I'm that into Meshuggah, but that amp can basically cover the full range of all Marshall sounds - from old school 60s rock to modern day extra heavy shit... in an old school single channel Plexi style amp). That is an absolutely insane price for it. I want it so badly, but I'm sure there's other amp manufacturers out there that have their own take on a hot rodded Plexi that are less fucking insane with the prices. It may not sound as good as an amp hand built by Mike Fortin himself (which I think is crazy that I can actually buy an amp Mike Fortin worked on)… but it'd get the job done probably in a substantially similar way to the Meshuggah amp.

Having said that though, comparing pedals to amps is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. But apples and oranges are both fucking fruit, so why not compare them sometimes xD

I think when you get past using something and you start to play with it a lot the flaws slowly start to show themselves. I have two Darkglass pedals and I love them to death but if someone had offered me an MXR instead of one of the DGs I'd take it in a heartbeat now. Not that i'd ever sell any of my DGs as they are so well made I sometimes wonder what they must have been thinking when you get into them.

As for the Strymon it has a cab push button at the back to completely clean the signal before it goes into the FX block so I think thats cool and it has some very cool plates. At the end of the day its all about the sound you want and these are some very expensive investments for sure but that's the price you pay for something engineered to do a lot and take a beating.

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8 minutes ago, Mel81x said:

I think when you get past using something and you start to play with it a lot the flaws slowly start to show themselves. I have two Darkglass pedals and I love them to death but if someone had offered me an MXR instead of one of the DGs I'd take it in a heartbeat now. Not that i'd ever sell any of my DGs as they are so well made I sometimes wonder what they must have been thinking when you get into them.

As for the Strymon it has a cab push button at the back to completely clean the signal before it goes into the FX block so I think thats cool and it has some very cool plates. At the end of the day its all about the sound you want and these are some very expensive investments for sure but that's the price you pay for something engineered to do a lot and take a beating.

I’ve always thought the Strymon stuff looks top of the line as far as pedals go. I’m clearly not the target market, but I think they make pedals that always compete as contenders of best pedals of their typed you’ve got the money.

They’re sort of mythical to me, tbh. I’ve only heard of how great they are, I’ve never actually gotten to play one of their pedals. I’ve seen videos that pretty clearly demonstrate that they’re top class, but I’ve never even come close to one. Even at guitar shops with good selections. And even if I did... I probably wouldn’t pay that much for a pedal, but I wish I could without thinking about it (because who doesn’t want to be rich).

So yeah, you get what you pay for - most definitely. There are some products where quality is almost just assured... but sometimes I’m not sure if the added quality is worth the premium.

Obviously that’s not the case if you’re gigging though, because then you’re willing to pay a premium for consistency and durability.

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4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I’ve always thought the Strymon stuff looks top of the line as far as pedals go. I’m clearly not the target market, but I think they make pedals that always compete as contenders of best pedals of their typed you’ve got the money.

They’re sort of mythical to me, tbh. I’ve only heard of how great they are, I’ve never actually gotten to play one of their pedals. I’ve seen videos that pretty clearly demonstrate that they’re top class, but I’ve never even come close to one. Even at guitar shops with good selections. And even if I did... I probably wouldn’t pay that much for a pedal, but I wish I could without thinking about it (because who doesn’t want to be rich).

So yeah, you get what you pay for - most definitely. There are some products where quality is almost just assured... but sometimes I’m not sure if the added quality is worth the premium.

Obviously that’s not the case if you’re gigging though, because then you’re willing to pay a premium for consistency and durability.

I've tried a TimeLine (A grade fantastic and fun) and the BlueSky but I only really got to try it for 10 minutes before the guy had to get out of the studio. For me, the other big contributing factor to these pedals and the price is the amount of on-pedal control they give you. I always go back to my SpectraComp mini when saying this. Its a compressor pedal and it only has one knob on it so most people look at an MXR Bass Comp with all the settings and say wouldn't you want that because its has more control on-pedal and the truth is that I do think the MXR is a better Compressor but where the SpectraComp truly shines is the ability to customize the compressor block on your phone or PC and live run it back to the pedal with micro-fine adjustments so you can see how the sound is getting generated. With most of the high-end pedals you really have to have done your homework to get the sound just right or have a good understanding of what you're trying to achieve because they have no way of showing you the sound arcs or where the decay is happening or how you're losing low-end if you do X or Y. 

I come from a line of thinking that if you can set the pedal by using just the pedal its definitely a plus, I like my SpectraComp a lot because it allows some wicked customization and the knob which TCE did such a good job of integrating into whatever you wanted the pedal to really achieve. But, in the end if you're on stage or in the studio and you want to make the adjustments on the fly without having to worry about a DAW or a mobile device then the bigger companies are doing it right 100%. In the end it really boils down to budget and comfort and I am not knocking any pedals out there with the exception of some truly horrible ones haha like my EarthQuaker Tentacle which I clicked with my foot heard a sharp metallic sound then it stopped clicking and went mushy. 

Btw does anyone have anything they've recorded that they'd like to share? Always curious to hear stuff other people have played.

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10 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Oh no! I hate etsy and I loved reverb!

Apparently they're going to operate as a standalone initially but we all know the story here. One year of individual operating before Etsy starts to put its own stuff in there. Not really bothered tbh because I think Etsy will add some good support for global shopping but I am wary of the fact that Etsy also has a history of peddling garbage to its users.

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3 minutes ago, Mel81x said:

Apparently they're going to operate as a standalone initially but we all know the story here. One year of individual operating before Etsy starts to put its own stuff in there. Not really bothered tbh because I think Etsy will add some good support for global shopping but I am wary of the fact that Etsy also has a history of peddling garbage to its users.

Etsy has shockingly shite customer service once you’ve actually made a purchase. Reverb has (had in a year?) actually pretty great service for both buyers and sellers.

But reading up on it, it seems as though part of operating as a standalone they’ll be keeping their customer service as is. Hopefully it stays that way.

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Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

Etsy has shockingly shite customer service once you’ve actually made a purchase. Reverb has (had in a year?) actually pretty great service for both buyers and sellers.

But reading up on it, it seems as though part of operating as a standalone they’ll be keeping their customer service as is. Hopefully it stays that way.

i hope so too because I have my eye on something on Reverb and I am hoping I buy it before all this shit goes down.

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Hey @Mel81x, do you ever use a Sans Amp with your bass? My friend left his bass at my house on Sunday, so I asked him if I could play it & I’d heard there’s a plugin that mimics the Sans Amp pedal. And HOLY FUCK it’s got a perfect bass tone (at least for me).

Before I googled “good free plugins for bass guitar” I’d never even heard of a Sans Amp.

And then I played my guitar through it and it was like pushing dogshite into my ear canals xD  - distinctly terrible tone (with my ESP at least)

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Hey @Mel81x, do you ever use a Sans Amp with your bass? My friend left his bass at my house on Sunday, so I asked him if I could play it & I’d heard there’s a plugin that mimics the Sans Amp pedal. And HOLY FUCK it’s got a perfect bass tone (at least for me).

Before I googled “good free plugins for bass guitar” I’d never even heard of a Sans Amp.

And then I played my guitar through it and it was like pushing dogshite into my ear canals xD  - distinctly terrible tone (with my ESP at least)

Is it the Tech21 drive or that other piece of crap that people peddle as SansAmp I can't remember its name off the top of my head. If its Tech21 I will only say this. There isn't a single gigging bassist I know personally who has never used that pedal. It's ridiculously good for the price and is something that can shape your bass tone very well. I own one, do I use it? Not so much anymore since I have my DarkGlass now but a few years ago I never played without plugging my Bass into it.

Is it this?

BassDriverV2-large.jpg

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