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WEDNESDAY

I have nothing better to do so here is the results from tonight's games!

- Our bottom two players, @Deco and @HawayTheLads are teamed up and got 3 points with Dusseldorf beating Schalke
- There was also a win for Bochum
- RB Leipzig and Hertha drew but @Stan still gains a 1 point lead with 2 games in hand
- A boring 0-0 draw for @RandoEFC and @DeadLinesman means just the 1 point each

Scores

londonerlilie & Fairy in Boots 27/05 Bochum 2 - 1 Holstein Kiel Win
HawayTheLads & Deco 27/05 Dusseldorf 2 - 1 Schalke Win
Tommy v Pyfish & LFCMadLad 27/05 Hannover 1 - 1 Karlsruher Draw
CaaC (John) v Stan & Toinho 27/05 RB Leipzig 2 - 2 Hertha BSC Draw
RandoEFC & Deadlinesman 27/05 St Pauli 0 - 0 Heidenheim Draw

Sticking
@londonerlilie and @Fairy In Boots stay with Bochum
@HawayTheLads and @Deco stay with Dusseldorf

Moving
None

Draws
@Tommy and @LFCMadLad - Hannover or Karlsruher
(I've decided to stay with Karlsruher - I don't want another team adding to my tally of teams just yet!)
@CaaC (John), @Stan and @Toinho - RB Leipzig or Hertha BSC
@RandoEFC and @DeadLinesman - St Pauli or Heidenheim

Table

    Teams P W D L GF GA GD Pts Win Ratio
1 Stan 9 43 26 9 8 93 53 40 87 60.47%
2 nudge 12 45 26 8 11 91 65 26 86 57.78%
3 Cicero 11 41 23 9 9 63 38 25 78 56.10%
4 Teso dos Bichos 14 43 23 8 12 72 48 24 77 53.49%
5 CaaC (John) 8 37 23 7 7 78 35 43 76 62.16%
6 Deadlinesman 10 42 22 11 9 65 39 26 75 52.38%
7 Fairy in Boots 13 42 22 9 11 67 43 24 75 52.38%
8 Bluewolf 16 43 22 7 14 62 47 15 73 51.16%
9 Toinho 15 41 22 6 13 68 52 16 72 53.66%
10 Batard 16 42 18 9 15 62 60 2 63 42.86%
11 RandoEFC 10 37 17 11 9 58 35 23 62 45.95%
12 Dr. Gonzo 15 38 18 7 13 57 35 22 61 47.37%
13 Tommy 12 38 15 12 11 58 39 19 57 39.47%
14 Mel81x 11 37 14 14 9 54 48 6 56 37.84%
15 Dan 13 38 14 13 11 53 37 16 55 36.84%
16 Londonerlilie 13 35 15 9 11 49 41 8 54 42.86%
17 Storts 15 37 15 9 13 55 51 4 54 40.54%
18 Eco 14 36 14 10 12 50 40 10 52 38.89%
19 Azeem 11 34 14 10 10 50 43 7 52 41.18%
20 Pyfish 15 37 15 7 15 59 53 6 52 40.54%
21 LFCMadLad 12 37 13 13 11 43 40 3 52 35.14%
22 Smiley Culture 14 37 13 11 13 49 38 11 50 35.14%
23 Rucksackfranzose 14 34 12 9 13 51 45 6 45 35.29%
24 HawayTheLads 11 26 12 6 9 38 34 4 42 46.15%
25 Deco 1 3 1 2 0 4 3 1 5 33.33%

Fixtures
Just the one game tomorrow and then I'll post everyone's next fixtures ready for Friday and the weekend!

Mel81x 28/05 Stuttgart v Hamburger SV 2. Bundesliga
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THURSDAY

Just the one game last night for @Mel81x which resulted in a 3-2 loss so they are now with Stuttgart.

Mel81x 28/05 Stuttgart 3 - 2 Hamburger SV Loss

Moving
@Mel81x moves from Hamburger SV to Stuttgart

Table
No position changes since yesterday on the table but here it is anyway!

    Teams P W D L GF GA GD Pts Win Ratio
1 Stan 9 43 26 9 8 93 53 40 87 60.47%
2 nudge 12 45 26 8 11 91 65 26 86 57.78%
3 Cicero 11 41 23 9 9 63 38 25 78 56.10%
4 Teso dos Bichos 14 43 23 8 12 72 48 24 77 53.49%
5 CaaC (John) 8 37 23 7 7 78 35 43 76 62.16%
6 Deadlinesman 10 42 22 11 9 65 39 26 75 52.38%
7 Fairy in Boots 13 42 22 9 11 67 43 24 75 52.38%
8 Bluewolf 16 43 22 7 14 62 47 15 73 51.16%
9 Toinho 15 41 22 6 13 68 52 16 72 53.66%
10 Batard 16 42 18 9 15 62 60 2 63 42.86%
11 RandoEFC 10 37 17 11 9 58 35 23 62 45.95%
12 Dr. Gonzo 15 38 18 7 13 57 35 22 61 47.37%
13 Tommy 12 38 15 12 11 58 39 19 57 39.47%
14 Mel81x 12 38 14 14 10 56 51 5 56 36.84%
15 Dan 13 38 14 13 11 53 37 16 55 36.84%
16 Londonerlilie 13 35 15 9 11 49 41 8 54 42.86%
17 Storts 15 37 15 9 13 55 51 4 54 40.54%
18 Azeem 11 34 14 10 10 50 43 7 52 41.18%
19 Eco 14 36 14 10 12 50 40 10 52 38.89%
20 LFCMadLad 12 37 13 13 11 43 40 3 52 35.14%
21 Pyfish 15 37 15 7 15 59 53 6 52 40.54%
22 Smiley Culture 14 37 13 11 13 49 38 11 50 35.14%
23 Rucksackfranzose 14 34 12 9 13 51 45 6 45 35.29%
24 HawayTheLads 11 26 12 6 9 38 34 4 42 46.15%
25 Deco 1 3 1 2 0 4 3 1 5 33.33%

Fixtures
There is still a few that haven't told me which team they want to go forward with so they are highlighted below.

Dan, Storts, Bluewolf & Smiley Culture 29/05 Darmstadt v Greuther Furth 2. Bundesliga
Eco 29/05 Osnabruck v Regensburg 2. Bundesliga
Batard & Dr. Gonzo v HawayTheLads & Deco 30/05 Bayern Munich v Dusseldorf Bundesliga
Stan 30/05 Hertha BSC v Augsburg Bundesliga
Cicero 30/05 Holstein Kiel v Arminia 2. Bundesliga
Pyfish 30/05 Karlsruher v St Pauli 2. Bundesliga
londonerlilie & Fairy in Boots 30/05 Nurnberg v Bochum 2. Bundesliga
Teso dos Bichos, Azeem & nudge 30/05 Wolfsburg v Frankfurt Bundesliga
Rucksackfranzose 31/05 Borussia Monchengladbach v Union Berlin Bundesliga
Mel81x 31/05 Dynamo Dresden v Stuttgart 2. Bundesliga
@Tommy - Hannover or Karlsruher  
@LFCMadLad - Hannover or Karlsruher  
@CaaC (John) & @Toinho - RB Leipzig or Hertha BSC  
@RandoEFC & @DeadLinesman - St Pauli or Heidenheim  


If you don't let me know before either of the teams play, you'll stick with the team you had previous
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28 minutes ago, Pyfish said:

THURSDAY

Just the one game last night for @Mel81x which resulted in a 3-2 loss so they are now with Stuttgart.

Mel81x 28/05 Stuttgart 3 - 2 Hamburger SV Loss

Moving
@Mel81x moves from Hamburger SV to Stuttgart

Table
No position changes since yesterday on the table but here it is anyway!

    Teams P W D L GF GA GD Pts Win Ratio
1 Stan 9 43 26 9 8 93 53 40 87 60.47%
2 nudge 12 45 26 8 11 91 65 26 86 57.78%
3 Cicero 11 41 23 9 9 63 38 25 78 56.10%
4 Teso dos Bichos 14 43 23 8 12 72 48 24 77 53.49%
5 CaaC (John) 8 37 23 7 7 78 35 43 76 62.16%
6 Deadlinesman 10 42 22 11 9 65 39 26 75 52.38%
7 Fairy in Boots 13 42 22 9 11 67 43 24 75 52.38%
8 Bluewolf 16 43 22 7 14 62 47 15 73 51.16%
9 Toinho 15 41 22 6 13 68 52 16 72 53.66%
10 Batard 16 42 18 9 15 62 60 2 63 42.86%
11 RandoEFC 10 37 17 11 9 58 35 23 62 45.95%
12 Dr. Gonzo 15 38 18 7 13 57 35 22 61 47.37%
13 Tommy 12 38 15 12 11 58 39 19 57 39.47%
14 Mel81x 12 38 14 14 10 56 51 5 56 36.84%
15 Dan 13 38 14 13 11 53 37 16 55 36.84%
16 Londonerlilie 13 35 15 9 11 49 41 8 54 42.86%
17 Storts 15 37 15 9 13 55 51 4 54 40.54%
18 Azeem 11 34 14 10 10 50 43 7 52 41.18%
19 Eco 14 36 14 10 12 50 40 10 52 38.89%
20 LFCMadLad 12 37 13 13 11 43 40 3 52 35.14%
21 Pyfish 15 37 15 7 15 59 53 6 52 40.54%
22 Smiley Culture 14 37 13 11 13 49 38 11 50 35.14%
23 Rucksackfranzose 14 34 12 9 13 51 45 6 45 35.29%
24 HawayTheLads 11 26 12 6 9 38 34 4 42 46.15%
25 Deco 1 3 1 2 0 4 3 1 5 33.33%

Fixtures
There is still a few that haven't told me which team they want to go forward with so they are highlighted below.

Dan, Storts, Bluewolf & Smiley Culture 29/05 Darmstadt v Greuther Furth 2. Bundesliga
Eco 29/05 Osnabruck v Regensburg 2. Bundesliga
Batard & Dr. Gonzo v HawayTheLads & Deco 30/05 Bayern Munich v Dusseldorf Bundesliga
Cicero 30/05 Holstein Kiel v Arminia 2. Bundesliga
Pyfish 30/05 Karlsruher v St Pauli 2. Bundesliga
londonerlilie & Fairy in Boots 30/05 Nurnberg v Bochum 2. Bundesliga
Teso dos Bichos, Azeem & nudge 30/05 Wolfsburg v Frankfurt Bundesliga
Rucksackfranzose 31/05 Borussia Monchengladbach v Union Berlin Bundesliga
Mel81x 31/05 Hamburger SV v Wehen 2. Bundesliga
@Tommy - Hannover or Karlsruher  
@LFCMadLad - Hannover or Karlsruher  
@CaaC (John), @Stan, @Toinho - RB Leipzig or Hertha BSC  
@RandoEFC and @DeadLinesman - St Pauli or Heidenheim  

If you don't let me know before either of the teams play, you'll stick with the team you had previous :)

Didn't Mel move to Stuttgart?

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10 minutes ago, Toinho said:

I’m going to go with Leipzig. Hertha have served me well but I’ll never gain points on the leader if I stay with him...

Fuck off then. 

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WEEKEND

More German football action this weekend with the possibility of some of you moving back to your pre-COVID clubs soon if you wish (if their seasons haven't finished!).

Here is what happened over the past few days:

- @Eco makes it 4 draws in 4 games with Regensburg
- It was 3 draws in 3 games for me and @LFCMadLad
- @Stan extends his lead at the top after @nudge's Wolfsburg lost
- @DeadLinesman gets his first win of the German excursion
- @Deco picks up his first loss but is now with Bayern!

Scores

Dan, Storts, Bluewolf & Smiley Culture 29/05 Darmstadt 1 - 1 Greuther Furth Draw
Eco 29/05 Osnabruck 2 - 2 Regensburg Draw
Batard & Dr. Gonzo v HawayTheLads & Deco 30/05 Bayern Munich 5 - 0 Dusseldorf All at Bayern
Stan 30/05 Hertha BSC 2 - 0 Augsburg Win
Cicero 30/05 Holstein Kiel 1 - 2 Arminia Win
Pyfish & LFCMadLad 30/05 Karlsruher 1 - 1 St Pauli Draw
londonerlilie & Fairy in Boots 30/05 Nurnberg 0 - 0 Bochum Draw
Tommy 30/05 Sandhausen 3 - 1 Hannover Loss
Teso dos Bichos, Azeem & nudge 30/05 Wolfsburg 1 - 2 Frankfurt Loss
Rucksackfranzose 31/05 Borussia Monchengladbach 4 - 1 Union Berlin Win
Mel81x 31/05 Dynamo Dresden 0 - 2 Stuttgart Win
RandoEFC & Deadlinesman 31/05 Heidenheim 3 - 0 Aue Win

Sticking
@Batard and @Dr. Gonzo stay with Bayern
@Stan stays with Hertha
@Cicero stays with Arminia
@Rucksackfranzose stays with Borussia Monchengladbach
@Mel81x stays with Stuttgart
@RandoEFC and @DeadLinesman stays with Heidenheim

Moving
@HawayTheLads and @Deco move from Dusseldorf to Bayern
@Tommy moves from Hannover to Sandhausen
Teso, @Azeem and @nudge move from Wolfsburg to Frankfurt

Draws
4 draws this week so please decide which of the teams you want to go to the next game with. If you don't let me know before kickoff of either of those teams, I'll keep you at existing team:

@Dan, @Storts, @Bluewolf and @Smiley Culture - Darmstadt or Greuther Furth
@LFCMadLad - Karlsruher or St Pauli
@londonerlilie & @Fairy In Boots - Nurnberg or Bochum
@Eco - Osnabruck or Regensburg

Table

    Teams P W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Stan 9 44 27 9 8 95 53 42 90
2 nudge 13 46 26 8 12 92 67 25 86
3 Cicero 11 42 24 9 9 65 39 26 81
4 Deadlinesman 10 43 23 11 9 68 39 29 78
5 Teso dos Bichos 15 44 23 8 13 73 50 23 77
6 CaaC (John) 8 37 23 7 7 78 35 43 76
7 Fairy in Boots 13 43 22 10 11 67 43 24 76
8 Bluewolf 16 44 22 8 14 63 48 15 74
9 Toinho 15 41 22 6 13 68 52 16 72
10 Batard 16 43 19 9 15 67 60 7 66
11 RandoEFC 10 38 18 11 9 61 35 26 65
12 Dr. Gonzo 15 39 19 7 13 62 36 26 64
13 Mel81x 12 39 15 14 10 58 51 7 59
14 Tommy 13 39 15 12 12 59 42 17 57
15 Dan 13 39 14 14 11 54 38 16 56
16 Londonerlilie 13 36 15 10 11 49 41 8 55
17 Storts 15 38 15 10 13 56 52 4 55
18 Eco 14 37 14 11 12 52 42 10 53
19 Pyfish 15 38 15 8 15 60 54 6 53
20 LFCMadLad 12 38 13 14 11 44 41 3 53
21 Azeem 12 35 14 10 11 51 45 6 52
22 Smiley Culture 14 38 13 12 13 50 39 11 51
23 Rucksackfranzose 14 35 13 9 13 55 46 9 48
24 HawayTheLads 12 27 12 6 10 38 39 -1 42
25 Deco 2 4 1 2 1 4 8 -4 5

Tonight
Just the one game tonight..

CaaC (John) v Toinho 01/06 FC Koln v RB Leipzig Bundesliga

Next Fixtures

Teso dos Bichos, Azeem & nudge 03/06 Werder Bremen v Frankfurt Bundesliga
Rucksackfranzose 05/06 Freiburg v Borussia Monchengladbach Bundesliga
Tommy 05/06 Greuther Furth v Sandhausen 2. Bundesliga
Cicero 06/06 Arminia v Nurnberg 2. Bundesliga
Batard, Dr. Gonzo, HawayTheLads & Deco 06/06 Bayer Leverkusen v Bayern Munich Bundesliga
Stan 06/06 Dortmund v Hertha BSC Bundesliga
RandoEFC & Deadlinesman 07/06 Hannover v Heidenheim 2. Bundesliga
Mel81x 07/06 Stuttgart v Osnabruck 2. Bundesliga
Dan, Storts, Bluewolf & Smiley Culture - Darmstadt or Greuther Furth  
Pyfish & LFCMadLad - Karlsruher or St Pauli  
londonerlilie & Fairy in Boots - Nurnberg or Bochum  
Eco - Osnabruck or Regensburg  
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14 minutes ago, Stan said:

Come on, Werder!

 

I've forgotten who my pre-Covid club was xD.

 

Atletico Madrid
La Liga 3 1 2 0 6 4 2 5 33.33%
Champions League 1 1 0 0 3 2 1 3 100.00%
Total 4 2 2 0 9 6 3 8 33.33%
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Interesting. 

At what point are we allowed to switch? 

I have a dilemma whether to continue in German league but then if that season finishes and Nudge decides to move back to whoever she was with, she might get more points while I'm essentially a sitting duck xD 

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1 hour ago, Stan said:

Interesting. 

At what point are we allowed to switch? 

I have a dilemma whether to continue in German league but then if that season finishes and Nudge decides to move back to whoever she was with, she might get more points while I'm essentially a sitting duck xD 

I'd say you can switch at any point up until your pre-COVID team plays.

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41 minutes ago, Deco said:

@Pyfish I'll take Bayern any day. You won't have me moving for about a year I'd imagine. xD

Might boost you up the table a little bit!

We'll end this season whenever the last game is for everyone and then we'll start a new one for the new season.

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MONDAY:

@CaaC (John) and @Toinho were the only ones in action last night with a 4-2 win so they stick with Leipzig and play Paderborn next.

Table

    Teams P W D L GF GA GD Pts Win Ratio
1 Stan 9 44 27 9 8 95 53 42 90 61.36%
2 nudge 13 46 26 8 12 92 67 25 86 56.52%
3 Cicero 11 42 24 9 9 65 39 26 81 57.14%
4 CaaC (John) 8 38 24 7 7 82 37 45 79 63.16%
5 Deadlinesman 10 43 23 11 9 68 39 29 78 53.49%
6 Teso dos Bichos 15 44 23 8 13 73 50 23 77 52.27%
7 Fairy in Boots 13 43 22 10 11 67 43 24 76 51.16%
8 Toinho 15 42 23 6 13 72 54 18 75 54.76%
9 Bluewolf 16 44 22 8 14 63 48 15 74 50.00%
10 Batard 16 43 19 9 15 67 60 7 66 44.19%
11 RandoEFC 10 38 18 11 9 61 35 26 65 47.37%
12 Dr. Gonzo 15 39 19 7 13 62 36 26 64 48.72%
13 Mel81x 12 39 15 14 10 58 51 7 59 38.46%
14 Tommy 13 39 15 12 12 59 42 17 57 38.46%
15 Dan 13 39 14 14 11 54 38 16 56 35.90%
16 Londonerlilie 13 36 15 10 11 49 41 8 55 41.67%
17 Storts 15 38 15 10 13 56 52 4 55 39.47%
18 Eco 14 37 14 11 12 52 42 10 53 37.84%
19 Pyfish 15 38 15 8 15 60 54 6 53 39.47%
20 LFCMadLad 12 38 13 14 11 44 41 3 53 34.21%
21 Azeem 12 35 14 10 11 51 45 6 52 40.00%
22 Smiley Culture 14 38 13 12 13 50 39 11 51 34.21%
23 Rucksackfranzose 14 35 13 9 13 55 46 9 48 37.14%
24 HawayTheLads 12 27 12 6 10 38 39 -1 42 44.44%
25 Deco 2 4 1 2 1 4 8 -4 5 25.00%

Fixtures

Teso dos Bichos, Azeem & nudge 03/06 Werder Bremen v Frankfurt Bundesliga
Rucksackfranzose 05/06 Freiburg v Borussia Monchengladbach Bundesliga
Tommy 05/06 Greuther Furth v Sandhausen 2. Bundesliga
Cicero 06/06 Arminia v Nurnberg 2. Bundesliga
Batard, Dr. Gonzo, HawayTheLads & Deco 06/06 Bayer Leverkusen v Bayern Munich Bundesliga
Stan 06/06 Dortmund v Hertha BSC Bundesliga
CaaC (John) & Toinho 06/06 RB Leipzig v Paderborn Bundesliga
RandoEFC & Deadlinesman 07/06 Hannover v Heidenheim 2. Bundesliga
Mel81x 07/06 Stuttgart v Osnabruck 2. Bundesliga
Dan, Storts, Bluewolf & Smiley Culture - Darmstadt or Greuther Furth  
Pyfish & LFCMadLad - Karlsruher or St Pauli  
londonerlilie & Fairy in Boots - Nurnberg or Bochum  
Eco - Osnabruck or Regensburg  
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WEDNESDAY:

I thought I'd done this one! Teso, @Azeem and @nudge won their first game with Frankfurt so stay with them. The gap at the top of the table is back down to 1 ahead of the weekends fixtures.

Teso dos Bichos, Azeem & nudge 03/06 Werder Bremen 0 - 3 Frankfurt Win

Table:

    Teams P W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Stan 9 44 27 9 8 95 53 42 90
2 nudge 13 47 27 8 12 95 67 28 89
3 Cicero 11 42 24 9 9 65 39 26 81
4 Teso dos Bichos 15 45 24 8 13 76 50 26 80
5 CaaC (John) 8 38 24 7 7 82 37 45 79
6 Deadlinesman 10 43 23 11 9 68 39 29 78
7 Fairy in Boots 13 43 22 10 11 67 43 24 76
8 Toinho 15 42 23 6 13 72 54 18 75
9 Bluewolf 16 44 22 8 14 63 48 15 74
10 Batard 16 43 19 9 15 67 60 7 66
11 RandoEFC 10 38 18 11 9 61 35 26 65
12 Dr. Gonzo 15 39 19 7 13 62 36 26 64
13 Mel81x 12 39 15 14 10 58 51 7 59
14 Tommy 13 39 15 12 12 59 42 17 57
15 Dan 13 39 14 14 11 54 38 16 56
16 Azeem 12 36 15 10 11 54 45 9 55
17 Londonerlilie 13 36 15 10 11 49 41 8 55
18 Storts 15 38 15 10 13 56 52 4 55
19 Eco 14 37 14 11 12 52 42 10 53
20 Pyfish 15 38 15 8 15 60 54 6 53
21 LFCMadLad 12 38 13 14 11 44 41 3 53
22 Smiley Culture 14 38 13 12 13 50 39 11 51
23 Rucksackfranzose 14 35 13 9 13 55 46 9 48
24 HawayTheLads 12 27 12 6 10 38 39 -1 42
25 Deco 2 4 1 2 1 4 8 -4 5

Fixtures:
Still a few who haven't chosen their team but I will keep you with the same team unless I hear otherwise.

Greuther Furth and St Pauli are the teams in action tonight of those who haven't chosen

Rucksackfranzose 05/06 Freiburg v Borussia Monchengladbach Bundesliga
Tommy 05/06 Greuther Furth v Sandhausen 2. Bundesliga
Cicero 06/06 Arminia v Nurnberg 2. Bundesliga
Batard, Dr. Gonzo, HawayTheLads & Deco 06/06 Bayer Leverkusen v Bayern Munich Bundesliga
Stan 06/06 Dortmund v Hertha BSC Bundesliga
Teso dos Bichos, Azeem and nudge 06/06 Frankfurt v Mainz Bundesliga
CaaC (John) & Toinho 06/06 RB Leipzig v Paderborn Bundesliga
RandoEFC & Deadlinesman 07/06 Hannover v Heidenheim 2. Bundesliga
Mel81x 07/06 Stuttgart v Osnabruck 2. Bundesliga
Dan, Storts, Bluewolf & Smiley Culture - Darmstadt or Greuther Furth  
Pyfish & LFCMadLad - Karlsruher or St Pauli  
londonerlilie & Fairy in Boots - Nurnberg or Bochum  
Eco - Osnabruck or Regensburg  
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