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So we got a proposal from Ecuador's president to see if we can host a World Cup with them and Colombia.

I am completely against this. For a couple of reasons.

1. We got stripped of the U17 World Cup this year

2. The most important thing is providing a stable economy and allowing people to get their basic survival resources. Brazil suffered after their World Cup despite their massive economy. There is no way we would be able to do it, even as a joint.

3. Our domestic league doesn't fill up games. We have the biggest stadium in South America that holds around 80K people, and it probably has brought max capacity less than 10 times in its history (for the league). They won't fill up the games after the tournament is over, so what's the point in even bothering to expand.

 

That's honestly another reason 48 teams won't work. More of an expectation and now all these countries go crazy in co-hosting it.

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I think the expectations of hosts should be lessened to the point it becomes a desirable event with a positive economic footprint for the host nation again. 

The Olympics have already gone down this path but are struggling to find host cities willing to commit. The same will happen to FIFA after the debacles of South Africa Brazil and Qatar although the impact of being at a national level rather than single city and being football infrastructure which is more useful down the line make the world cup less onerous and a better long term investment.

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Argentinq Uruguay to co host it ! 

Were it all started 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56241637
 

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Prime Minister Boris Johnson says it is the "right time" for the UK and Republic of Ireland to launch a joint bid to host the 2030 World Cup.

The UK government will reportedly pledge £2.8m to kick-start the process in Wednesday's Budget.

The football associations of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Ireland say they are "delighted" with the government's commitment.

"We are very, very keen to bring football home in 2030," Johnson said.

In an interview with the Sun, he added: "I do think it's the right place. It's the home of football, it's the right time. It will be an absolutely wonderful thing for the country.

"We want to see a bonanza of football in the years ahead."

A feasibility study will continue before the formal World Cup bidding process begins in 2022.

A joint-statement from the football associations of England, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland and Scotland read: "The football associations and government partners of the UK and Ireland are delighted that the UK government has committed to support a prospective five-association bid for the 2030 Fifa World Cup.

"The FAs will continue to undertake feasibility work to assess the viability of a bid before Fifa formally opens the process in 2022.

"Staging a Fifa World Cup would provide an incredible opportunity to deliver tangible benefits for our nations.

"If a decision is made to bid for the event, we look forward to presenting our hosting proposals to Fifa and the wider global football community."

A joint bid from Chile, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay is expected for the 2030 competition, while Spain, Morocco and Portugal are also considering a joint bid.

 

 

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We were encouraged by Fifa to apply for the 2030 World Cup almost immediately after Blatter left so I'm not surprised this is gathering pace now. 

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Does the UK understand the non-corruption contributing factors why they didn't secure the 2018 cup?

I hope they have learnt from them, can position themselves better and can go on to win this vote.

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I get the sentiment of any Uruguayan bid, but I really can't see FIFA going 16 years between 2018 and 2034 without a World Cup in Europe. And especially having two World Cup, back to back, out with a European timezone.

Would love to see a World Cup spread over the UK and Ireland, and with the expansion of the tournament, wouldn't be such a detriment to have a number of automatic qualifying countries.

Grouping them in separate areas, would probably look something like:

Aviva Stadium / Windsor Park

Hampden Park / Murrayfield

St James Park / Stadium of Light

Anfield / Old Trafford

Wembley / Tottenham Hotspur Stadium

Elland Road / Hillsborough

King Power Stadium / City Ground

Principality Stadium / Villa Park 

St Mary's / Falmer Stadium

Carrow Road / Portman Road

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1 minute ago, ScoRoss said:

I get the sentiment of any Uruguayan bid, but I really can't see FIFA going 16 years between 2018 and 2034 without a World Cup in Europe. And especially having two World Cup, back to back, out with a European timezone.

Would love to see a World Cup spread over the UK and Ireland, and with the expansion of the tournament, wouldn't be such a detriment to have a number of automatic qualifying countries.

Grouping them in separate areas, would probably look something like:

Aviva Stadium / Windsor Park

Hampden Park / Murrayfield

St James Park / Stadium of Light

Anfield / Old Trafford

Wembley / Tottenham Hotspur Stadium

Elland Road / Hillsborough

King Power Stadium / City Ground

Principality Stadium / Villa Park 

St Mary's / Falmer Stadium

Carrow Road / Portman Road

I hope Uruguay/Argentina win but 2026 was a North American World Cup which by all means could be similar to having the tournament in South America.

I'm not sure if FIFA counts North America and South all as one, but it sure seems like it. 

Before Brazil in 2014, it had been 20 years since they were in this part of the world.

I do hope we have a world cup in Uruguay/Argentina though, not just because I think they are good choices, but also because South American teams struggle in European World Cups.

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Thats a great picture of Boris btw.

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Haha love that picture of Boris they've used xD

 

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5 minutes ago, Mpache said:

I hope Uruguay/Argentina win but 2026 was a North American World Cup which by all means could be similar to having the tournament in South America.

I'm not sure if FIFA counts North America and South all as one, but it sure seems like it. 

Before Brazil in 2014, it had been 20 years since they were in this part of the world.

I do hope we have a world cup in Uruguay/Argentina though, not just because I think they are good choices, but also because South American teams struggle in European World Cups.

Wouldn't have thought Windsor would be big enough,  

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Just now, Moon Monkey said:

Wouldn't have thought Windsor would be big enough,  

Windsor?

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6 minutes ago, Mpache said:

I hope Uruguay/Argentina win but 2026 was a North American World Cup which by all means could be similar to having the tournament in South America.

I'm not sure if FIFA counts North America and South all as one, but it sure seems like it. 

Before Brazil in 2014, it had been 20 years since they were in this part of the world.

I do hope we have a world cup in Uruguay/Argentina though, not just because I think they are good choices, but also because South American teams struggle in European World Cups.

Used to be like clockwork that every second World Cup was in Europe. The gap from 2006-2018 was the most its gone without being in Europe.

The 2014 World Cup was decent enough for a European audience. Think there was only a couple of games with a really late kick off. But if the 2026 World Cup is going to be at prime time in the USA/Mexico/Canada, I can see them trying to win back the European broadcasters with a 2030 tournament with much friendlies times.

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7 minutes ago, Stan said:

Haha love that picture of Boris they've used xD

 

I honestly hope our World Cup Mascot symbolises an animal version of the bubbly fool that he plays. Will set people off but it would still be hilarious.

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2 minutes ago, Moon Monkey said:

Wouldn't have thought Windsor would be big enough,  

Thinking they could have some temporary expansion. Needs to give them something if the rest of the home nations are involved.

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1 minute ago, ScoRoss said:

Used to be like clockwork that every second World Cup was in Europe. The gap from 2006-2018 was the most its gone without being in Europe.

The 2014 World Cup was decent enough for a European audience. Think there was only a couple of games with a really late kick off. But if the 2026 World Cup is going to be at prime time in the USA/Mexico/Canada, I can see them trying to win back the European broadcasters with a 2030 tournament with much friendlies times.

That's a very fair point, and again FIFA might live with the South American mentality that America is one continent.

1986 and 1994 was perhaps the exception to that, as 1986 was originally to be hosted in Colombia, and 1994 in the USA.

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1 minute ago, Mpache said:

Windsor?

On the list of Stadiums above,  it mentions Windsor,  it's the International Stadium at Windsor Park Belfast.

Capacity is around 18000

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1 minute ago, ScoRoss said:

Thinking they could have some temporary expansion. Needs to give them something if the rest of the home nations are involved.

They can't without removing the roof. 

Casement Park might be an option.

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I think anywhere will be fine as long as its not Croydon. Wouldn't wish that place on my worst enemy.

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2 minutes ago, The Palace Fan said:

I think anywhere will be fine as long as its not Croydon. Wouldn't wish that place on my worst enemy.

Charltons a nice wee ground.

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Just now, Moon Monkey said:

Charltons a nice wee ground.

Yeah, for any spectators that want a free mattress I'm sure there will still be plenty outside the houses next to the ground. 

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We are due another tournament. To say we're one of the few who could host one so easily, we've not had enough, especially as Mexico are getting a third World Cup before we get our second.

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Uruguay and Argentina are ill-equipped to host a World Cup. It´s a bad idea, especially for the citizens of both countries who would have to foot the massive bill to adequate their stadiums and infrastructure to the standards required by FIFA and its partners.  

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Spain and Portugal enter the chat.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57365725

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Spain and Portugal will make a joint bid to host the 2030 World Cup.

A symbolic ceremony was held before the nations played a Euro 2020 warm-up at Madrid's Metropolitano Stadium.

Spain's King Felipe VI and Portugal president Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa were present as each nation's prime minister signed an agreement to support the bid.

Both teams wore T-shirts bearing 'Vamos 2030' before the friendly in Madrid, which marks the centenary of Portugal's first international.

"The governments of Spain and Portugal wish to express their desire and commitment to host the 2030 World Cup," the agreement said.

Fernando Gomes, president of the Portuguese Football Federation, and his Spanish counterpart Luis Rubiales, ratified an agreement signed last October to promote a joint bid.

"A message to the [other] national federations: if you give us your trust, when you come to our countries you are going to find an unforgettable experience," Rubiales said on Friday.

The 2022 World Cup will be held in Qatar while Canada, Mexico and the USA will be joint hosts in 2026.

Fifa plans to select the 2030 host in 2024.

Spain and Portugal could face competition from other joint bids under discussion: one from the UK and the Republic of Ireland, and one from Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile, aimed to coincide with the centenary of the first World Cup in Uruguay.

 

 

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Joint bids seem the only way to host this ever expanding tournament 

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On 05/06/2021 at 01:04, Machado said:

Yes please

I'd be up for that one if I'm still even alive then.

A month in Spain/Portugal. It'd be better than having it in England, better countries to be in in the summer and only a short flight away.

 

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For 2026, they required 14 stadiums with a minimum of 40k capacity. So there's probably a couple of expansion/renovations required to meet it.

Spain:

Barcelona - Nou Camp / RCDE Stadium

Madrid - Santiago Bernabéu / Metropolitano Stadium

Seville - Benito Villamarín / Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán

Basque County - San Mamés / Anoeta

Valencia - Nou Mestalla (If it ever gets built) / Martínez Valero (Expansion / renovation)

 

Portugal:

Lisbon - Estádio da Luz / Estádio Jose Alvalade

Porto / Aveiro - Estádio do Dragão / Estádio Municipal de Aveiro (Expansion / renovation)

 

Only thing is that FIFA / UEFA typically don't like multiple stadiums within the same cities, but it's not exactly something they'd be able to argue with these competitions getting bigger and bigger.

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